A Bush Irony

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I can't get the following thought out of my head.

Bush is anti-abortion and wants to make it illegal.
Bush is droping 500 pound bombs on children and views it as acceptable i na time of war.

Ummm. Aynone else confused here?
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
I can't get the following thought out of my head.

Bush is anti-abortion and wants to make it illegal.
Bush is droping 500 pound bombs on children and views it as acceptable i na time of war.

Ummm. Aynone else confused here?

It's called selective Morality.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
I can't get the following thought out of my head.

Bush is anti-abortion and wants to make it illegal.
Bush is droping 500 pound bombs on children and views it as acceptable i na time of war.

Ummm. Aynone else confused here?
Careful now. Being "disloyal" or "condemning" Bush is hazardous to your patriotism.
 
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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
I can't get the following thought out of my head.

Bush is anti-abortion and wants to make it illegal.
Bush is droping 500 pound bombs on children and views it as acceptable i na time of war.

Ummm. Aynone else confused here?

It's called selective Morality.

Ahhh, I see.
 

alchemize

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Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
I can't get the following thought out of my head.

Bush is anti-abortion and wants to make it illegal.
Bush is droping 500 pound bombs on children and views it as acceptable i na time of war.

Ummm. Aynone else confused here?
So are you saying that if you are against abortion, then you must be a pacifist?

Or are you saying that Bush is directly and intentionally targeting children, and directly ordering the military to do so? I'd be curious to see the quote where bush says "it is acceptable to drop 500 lb bombs on children in a time of war".

Or are you just trolling...
 

Strk

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It's like the folks who are pro-life and pro-death penalty, neither make sense.
 

cwjerome

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This topic isn't comparing apples and oranges, its arguing apples and pork chops.

Weak man.
 

ciba

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Originally posted by: Strk
It's like the folks who are pro-life and pro-death penalty, neither make sense.


You have a twisted concept of innocence.
 
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Originally posted by: cwjerome
This topic isn't comparing apples and oranges, its arguing apples and pork chops.

Weak man.
Definitely.

It's an argument of black and white, as if things are always so clear cut in life. It's typical though. Shades of gray are only valid when it's convenient.

How many of them nodding their heads in unison as to the topic are pro-choice but wring their hands over every single death in Iraq? I mean, sheesh, we can argue this kind of hypocrisy around in circles, can't we?
 

GreatBarracuda

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Originally posted by: cwjerome
This topic isn't comparing apples and oranges, its arguing apples and pork chops.

Weak man.

No. It's not a weak argument. So Bush doesn't want unborn children to die.... completely understandable. But it's ok to kill children who are already there! All hail Bush -- the master of double standards!
 

wirelessenabled

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Kind of like Bush calling the bad guys in Iraq terrorists and killers because they chop the heads off people with swords but it is just fine for the US Air Force F-16s to drop bombs on civilian houses and businesses. No talk of killers there. As always the strong and the victors write the guidelines.

Read the AP photographer's description of the Fallujah battle

"I decided to swim ... but I changed my mind after seeing U.S. helicopters firing on and killing people who tried to cross the river." He watched horrified as a family of five was shot dead as they tried to cross. Then, he "helped bury a man by the river bank, with my own hands.

Yeah I know, war is hell. They brought it on themselves by being Iraqi.:frown:
 

Moonbeam

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Nobody wants to kill children but they are not as important that American World Dominion in the thinking of neocons. In their glorious future we will all be better off and death is always required to pave the way for the new utopia that we have and will killed billions to achieve. The nature of psychosis is to lust in the killing in the name of future good. We don't want to think of ourselves as monsters now do we. Of what use is our huge brain if we can't think of a good excuse to kill and protect our egos from seeing that we are murdering swine. There's no way in hell anybody is going to convince me I'm a murdering swine. No way Jose. I didn't undergo years and years of intense indoctrination so I'd be anywhere near recognizing that truth. I may be a pig in rut but I will never have to know. I kill for the good.
 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
I can't get the following thought out of my head.

Bush is anti-abortion and wants to make it illegal.
Bush is droping 500 pound bombs on children and views it as acceptable i na time of war.

Ummm. Aynone else confused here?
So are you saying that if you are against abortion, then you must be a pacifist?

Or are you saying that Bush is directly and intentionally targeting children, and directly ordering the military to do so? I'd be curious to see the quote where bush says "it is acceptable to drop 500 lb bombs on children in a time of war".

Or are you just trolling...
He is making a truthful observation. You offer straw men in return. You are trolling.
 

alchemize

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Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
I can't get the following thought out of my head.

Bush is anti-abortion and wants to make it illegal.
Bush is droping 500 pound bombs on children and views it as acceptable i na time of war.

Ummm. Aynone else confused here?
So are you saying that if you are against abortion, then you must be a pacifist?

Or are you saying that Bush is directly and intentionally targeting children, and directly ordering the military to do so? I'd be curious to see the quote where bush says "it is acceptable to drop 500 lb bombs on children in a time of war".

Or are you just trolling...
He is making a truthful observation. You offer straw men in return. You are trolling.
Ah good afternoon, king of hypocrisy. Allow me make a two observations.

- You came into the thread just to insult me, not address either my post or the topic. Who's the troll?
- You call his observation "truthful" without any attempt to back it up. Who's the troll?

more rabid blind partisanship trolling from the usual...so pathetic. OK I have another question...

Is it permissable then to be pro-choice, but to drop 500lb bombs on children? Is that how you justify when a democrat drops 500lb bombs on children?
 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
I can't get the following thought out of my head.

Bush is anti-abortion and wants to make it illegal.
Bush is droping 500 pound bombs on children and views it as acceptable i na time of war.

Ummm. Aynone else confused here?
So are you saying that if you are against abortion, then you must be a pacifist?

Or are you saying that Bush is directly and intentionally targeting children, and directly ordering the military to do so? I'd be curious to see the quote where bush says "it is acceptable to drop 500 lb bombs on children in a time of war".

Or are you just trolling...
He is making a truthful observation. You offer straw men in return. You are trolling.
Ah good afternoon, king of hypocrisy.
Hollow words coming from the Queen.


Allow me make a two observations.

- You came into the thread just to insult me, not address either my post or the topic. Who's the troll?
No asshat, I repudiated your Bush-fluffing attack.


- You call his observation "truthful" without any attempt to back it up. Who's the troll?
What's to back up? Both sentences are self-evidently true. Bush is anti-abortion. Bush does support the actions in Iraq, including the bombings that are killing innocent children. Your response was two straw men and an attack.

Notwithstanding that inconvenient truth, shall I go back over your posts for the last few weeks and point out how you consistently thread-crap with attacks having nothing to do with the topic? (Which is exactly what I expect you to do in this thread, continuing to attack and divert without ever answering the OP's question.)


more rabid blind partisanship trolling from the usual...so pathetic. OK I have another question...

Is it permissable then to be pro-choice, but to drop 500lb bombs on children? Is that how you justify when a democrat drops 500lb bombs on children?
Perhaps there's a coherent thought in there somewhere, but I don't see it. It looks like purely partisan drivel to me. What does a woman's right to choose have to do with bombing children?

 

alchemize

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Originally posted by: Bowfinger
What does a woman's right to choose have to do with bombing children?
OP
Bush is anti-abortion and wants to make it illegal.
Bush is droping 500 pound bombs on children and views it as acceptable i na time of war.

Good job "asshat", you finally caught on! What's the irony is you can actually argue both for and against both positions of the OP in the same post. Of course, you learned from the best!

coming from the Queen... Bush-fluffing


What's with the continued homosexual undertones to everything? I thought you were a tolerant liberal? So what am I, a fagg today? Or a child rapist? Or am "I down on the farm". It's hard to keep up with all your insults...make up your mind...

Just more trolling from the usual...let me know if you want to answer my questions, otherwise I will just assume any of your continued attacks are more of the same dribble-laden attacks.
 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
What does a woman's right to choose have to do with bombing children?
OP
Bush is anti-abortion and wants to make it illegal.
Bush is droping 500 pound bombs on children and views it as acceptable i na time of war.
Good job "asshat", you finally caught on! What's the irony is you can actually argue both for and against both positions of the OP in the same post. Of course, you learned from the best!
Ahh, I get it. You can't grasp the difference between supporting a woman's right to chose and supporting abortion itself. They are not at all the same thing. The OP questions why Bush opposes killing the unborn yet supports killing innocent children in Iraq. Both examples involve killing. You, on the other hand, are trying to suggest that killing and allowing freedom of choice by others are intertwined. They are not.


coming from the Queen... Bush-fluffing
What's with the continued homosexual undertones to everything? I thought you were a tolerant liberal? So what am I, a fagg today? Or a child rapist? Or am "I down on the farm". It's hard to keep up with all your insults...make up your mind...
If you do not like being insulted, I suggest you refrain from insulting others. For the record, "down on the farm" is not a quote from me, nor have I ever called you a "fagg" [sic] (or i love you, for that matter), or a child rapist. Continuing to misrepresent my words only discredits you.

Retorting to your "king of hypocrisy" insult with a matching "queen" barb of my own does not necessarily suggest you are gay. It mostly suggests you're a girl, though in context it was obviously not meant to be interpreted literally. The same applies to "Bush fluffing". It is a figurative expression describing your fawning support for everything Bush says and does. It has nothing to do with sexual orientation.

You know this, of course, but you need diversionary attacks to avoid addressing my points and acknowledging your trolling.


Just more trolling from the usual...let me know if you want to answer my questions, otherwise I will just assume any of your continued attacks are more of the same dribble-laden attacks.
Stuff it. I answered your questions. My answers were in the parts of my quote you conveniently omitted from your reply. Instead, you focused solely on a couple of little bits you could use to attack and divert. In short, you did exactly what I predicted, "Which is exactly what I expect you to do in this thread, continuing to attack and divert without ever answering the OP's question." Funny that you cut that from your quote as well.

Your continued misrepresentation of others' posts and your refusal to discuss the OP makes you a liar, a coward, and a USDA-certified prime troll in my book. (Note that "USDA-certifed prime" is also not meant to be taken literally, just to preempt you next diversionary attack. Feel free to try to spin it into a homosexual reference as well, however.)
 

BBond

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I'd like to point out that while Bush claims to be anti-abortion and 'pro-life' he did in fact, at the same time, attack a nation unprovoked where American firepower is now laying waste to cities full of civilians including children.

Now how could someone who has such respect for life knowingly start a war based on lies where civilians are being slaughtered in the tens of thousands?

 

alchemize

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Ahh, I get it. You can't grasp the difference between supporting a woman's right to chose and supporting abortion itself. They are not at all the same thing. The OP questions why Bush opposes killing the unborn yet supports killing innocent children in Iraq. Both examples involve killing. You, on the other hand, are trying to suggest that killing and allowing freedom of choice by others are intertwined. They are not.
Ah I see. SO the comparison is only valid because in your mind, when a woman commits an abortion, it isn't taking a life. Since it is her "right" according to you, well then that makes everything different. :roll: Well at least you are consistently a partisan hack.


If you do not like being insulted, I suggest you refrain from insulting others.
And I suggest the same of you, asshat

For the record, "down on the farm" is not a quote from me, nor have I ever called you a "fagg" [sic] (or i love you, for that matter), or a child rapist. Continuing to misrepresent my words only discredits you.
That's right. You don't call anyone specifically that. You instead generalize large populations as being child molesters and have sex with farm animals. I stand corrected.

Retorting to your "king of hypocrisy" insult with a matching "queen" barb of my own does not necessarily suggest you are gay. It mostly suggests you're a girl, though in context it was obviously not meant to be interpreted literally. The same applies to "Bush fluffing". It is a figurative expression describing your fawning support for everything Bush says and does. It has nothing to do with sexual orientation.
Is that how it is? Total utter liar. You know exactly that fluffer is used in context on this board on every single post (usually coming from tolerant liberals unsuprisingly)

You know this, of course, but you need diversionary attacks to avoid addressing my points and acknowledging your trolling.
Your points? have you made a point yet besides attack me?


Stuff it. I answered your questions. My answers were in the parts of my quote you conveniently omitted from your reply. Instead, you focused solely on a couple of little bits you could use to attack and divert. In short, you did exactly what I predicted, "Which is exactly what I expect you to do in this thread, continuing to attack and divert without ever answering the OP's question." Funny that you cut that from your quote as well.

Your continued misrepresentation of others' posts and your refusal to discuss the OP makes you a liar, a coward, and a USDA-certified prime troll in my book. (Note that "USDA-certifed prime" is also not meant to be taken literally, just to preempt you next diversionary attack. Feel free to try to spin it into a homosexual reference as well, however.)
Nothing cut here. Then you are an EU certified prime troll in my book :D

Please spare me your lies, lies, and lies. We all know what you were doing. Typical. But what do I care, call me anthing you want. Just don't be a little shaved pussy (cat) and come out and say it outright next time.

Now, care to answer ANY of my questions?

1. "So are you saying that if you are against abortion, then you must be a pacifist?"

2. "Or are you saying that Bush is directly and intentionally targeting children, and directly ordering the military to do so?"

3. "Is it permissable then to be pro-choice, but to drop 500lb bombs on children?" I think you answered this one "yes".

4. "Is that how you justify when a democrat drops 500lb bombs on children?"

 

colonel

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can't get the following thought out of my head.


I think time to think was before 2 Nov, but I think you have to ask those Red states, they are looking for compasion and Bible stuff , I dont see anyone from those states going to solve the Humanitarian crisis of war.
 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: alchemize
Ahh, I get it. You can't grasp the difference between supporting a woman's right to chose and supporting abortion itself. They are not at all the same thing. The OP questions why Bush opposes killing the unborn yet supports killing innocent children in Iraq. Both examples involve killing. You, on the other hand, are trying to suggest that killing and allowing freedom of choice by others are intertwined. They are not.
Ah I see. SO the comparison is only valid because in your mind, when a woman commits an abortion, it isn't taking a life. Since it is her "right" according to you, well then that makes everything different. :roll: Well at least you are consistently a partisan hack.
:roll:

One reason these threads turn into flame-fests is because people like you work so diligently to avoid understanding simple concepts expressed in clear English. "You can't grasp the difference between supporting a woman's right to chose and supporting abortion itself. They are not at all the same thing." I assume you claim to support free speech, true? Does that mean you agree with everything someone says while enjoying free speech? Obviously not. The same principle applies to a woman's right to choose. The fact that I (and millions of others) support the right to chose, Freedom of Choice as it were, does not mean we automatically support the actions she chooses to take. They are two separate issues.

Now, instead of skimming over what I just said while looking for a seed for your next attack, take a moment to comprehend what I said. At a minimum, you might attack what I actually said instead of launching yet another straw man or red herring.


If you do not like being insulted, I suggest you refrain from insulting others.
And I suggest the same of you, asshat
I'm not the one whining about being insulted. You were.


For the record, "down on the farm" is not a quote from me, nor have I ever called you a "fagg" [sic] (or i love you, for that matter), or a child rapist. Continuing to misrepresent my words only discredits you.
That's right. You don't call anyone specifically that. You instead generalize large populations as being child molesters and have sex with farm animals. I stand corrected.
Still obsessing over that? I must have struck a nerve. Were you an alter boy, or did you not understand that when I referred to "livestock", I meant the literal, four-legged kind, not the bleating Bushie kind?

You continue to misreprent that comment as I explained in that thread. If you wish to discuss it, I suggest you show the integrity to take it back to that thread instead of stalking me in unrelated threads.


Retorting to your "king of hypocrisy" insult with a matching "queen" barb of my own does not necessarily suggest you are gay. It mostly suggests you're a girl, though in context it was obviously not meant to be interpreted literally. The same applies to "Bush fluffing". It is a figurative expression describing your fawning support for everything Bush says and does. It has nothing to do with sexual orientation.
Is that how it is? Total utter liar. You know exactly that fluffer is used in context on this board on every single post (usually coming from tolerant liberals unsuprisingly)
Yep, you got me. When I refer to Bush fluffers, I mean to suggest that millions of you are literally performing oral sex on the President. Idiot.

:roll:


You know this, of course, but you need diversionary attacks to avoid addressing my points and acknowledging your trolling.
Your points? have you made a point yet besides attack me?
Yes:

1. Your responses to IHateMyJob2004 were straw man arguments.

2. Both of the OP's observations were self-evidently true, and needed no further support.

3. It is valid to question the consistency of opposition to killing the unborn but support of killing Iraqi children.

4. It is nonsensical to question the consistency of supporting a woman's right to choose with some hypothetical Democrat's support of bombing children. It is also another straw man.

5. You are confused about why #4 is true.

6. You misrepresented my words and refused to address points I raised, or that the OP raised.

Is that clear enough for you? Any other questions?


Stuff it. I answered your questions. My answers were in the parts of my quote you conveniently omitted from your reply. Instead, you focused solely on a couple of little bits you could use to attack and divert. In short, you did exactly what I predicted, "Which is exactly what I expect you to do in this thread, continuing to attack and divert without ever answering the OP's question." Funny that you cut that from your quote as well.

Your continued misrepresentation of others' posts and your refusal to discuss the OP makes you a liar, a coward, and a USDA-certified prime troll in my book. (Note that "USDA-certifed prime" is also not meant to be taken literally, just to preempt you next diversionary attack. Feel free to try to spin it into a homosexual reference as well, however.)
Nothing cut here. Then you are an EU certified prime troll in my book :D

Please spare me your lies, lies, and lies. We all know what you were doing. Typical. But what do I care, call me anthing you want. Just don't be a little shaved pussy (cat) and come out and say it outright next time.
:roll:


Now, care to answer ANY of my questions?

1. "So are you saying that if you are against abortion, then you must be a pacifist?"

2. "Or are you saying that Bush is directly and intentionally targeting children, and directly ordering the military to do so?"

3. "Is it permissable then to be pro-choice, but to drop 500lb bombs on children?" I think you answered this one "yes".

4. "Is that how you justify when a democrat drops 500lb bombs on children?"
1. No. Like the OP, I question how one reconciles opposition to killing the unborn with support for killing innocent Iraqi children. It is a question you have yet to address.

2. Our armed forces are currently killing innocent people -- including children -- by the hundreds. Bush put the military into the situation in Iraq. As Commander in Chief, he is responsible for their actions.

3. It is obviously possible. It is also irrelevant.

4. That is a straw man. I do not support anyone indiscriminately bombing children, regardless of party affiliation. Are you suggesting that you do?