A Bunch of Hammer Info as well as *Confirmed* Hammer News. Intel's Secret "Yamhill" Project.

[AGodspeed]

LINK # 1:

Summary:

- AMD dispells rumors by confirming that SSE2 will be included in all Hammer processors, including the Clawhammer, which is scheduled to debut later this year.
- AMD divulges additional information on its direction towards multi-core designs (2 or more cores on a die). Integrated Hammer North Bridge will have 2 CPU interfaces. As AMD's process technologies get smaller (from .13u to .09u to .06u, etc), multi-core will become increasingly attractive and, thanks to the Hammer North Bridge design, easily achievable.

LINK # 2 (*Confirmed*):

Summary:

- ClawHammer sampling on .13u Silicon On Insulator technology, with AMD set to show off samples at the up and coming CeBIT 2002 trade fair.
- ClawHammer will be out before December of this year.

Original LINK (# 3):

Summary:

Intel's decision to back the novel Itanium architecture had upset a small group of Intel engineers in Oregon, who preferred to build on the x86 legacy. When AMD released the specifications of its upcoming 64-bit chips in the summer of 2000, these ``cowboy'' engineers decided that Intel needed to match its rival. They began developing their own 64-bit extensions to the Pentium line, making sure the code was compatible with AMD's design.

The Oregon team's initiative inflamed the feud between them and the Santa Clara team developing the Itanium, according to former engineers. But top executives, including Chief Executive Craig Barrett, reluctantly decided to support Yamhill development in addition to Itanium.

Intel executives knew the value of a backup plan from the company's own history: two decades ago, Intel developed a chip called the i432 that was supposed to reshape its future but failed miserably. Intel rushed out another chip, the 8086, which took just three weeks to design, and that chip became its bread-and-butter.

Well LINK # 3 is definitely a mouth full. Only time will tell if any of this is remotely true.

 

[Def]

Ohhh... with Clawhammer looming over the horizon, its really making me want to hold off on upgrading to a Thoroughbred in the next few months.

What I *REALLY* want to know is what a Clawhammer will cost. I could see AMD positioning them as extreme highend workstation/ultra-high performance desktop processors, which would mean prices close to those of the current Athlon MP bracket. Which would unfortunately mean it would be outta my league.

Although if there is one thing AMD is good at, it is not pricing itself out of the "affordable" price bracket(not that they have a choice or anything).

Thanks for the promising info though.

 

[wasnlos]

thanks for the info.
you're up to date as usual.

 

[DSTA]

Thanks for digging that up.

Looks like they plan to make the most of the new software that is coming out for P4.

If the SSE2 is done well, they'll profit from every recompile Intel is sponsoring - and if Intel starts encouraging people to code with multithreading in mind, then all the better for the multi core designed chips.

 

[BD231]

Damn, AMD really put there ass's in high gear dident they?. I'm glad to see that there moving along so quickly

 

[mchammer187]

nice..


hammertime

 

[Pabster]

Yep, the Hammer will fall sooner than most realize

Thoroughbred will be but a taste of what is to come. If ClawHammer really performs as well as initial samples are indicating (and I'm told they most certainly do) it is going to be an exciting Q4 and in to 2003. 2GHz = 3GHz.

Now, excuse me while I verify my CeBiT registration

 

[goog]

<< Yep, the Hammer will fall sooner than most realize >>


I hope you're right as I've all but decided to not upgrade my rig this season, and would really like to skip right to the clawhammer, tbred if nec.
I'm betting Q1 2003 before I can get one though.

 

[Idontcare]

<< What I *REALLY* want to know is what a Clawhammer will cost. I could see AMD positioning them as extreme highend workstation/ultra-high performance desktop processors, which would mean prices close to those of the current Athlon MP bracket. Which would unfortunately mean it would be outta my league. >>



They have set themselves up so they do not have to do this. The last they want is to impede in any way the adoption of x84-64 and one way to help it's adoption is by having a certain fraction of the desktop market contain those clawhammer chips. The second thing going for them (us really ) is that they have already split the market between low-cost Claws and high-priced Sledges so they do not need to worry about reducing the apparent value of x86-64 Sledgehammers by selling $200 Clawhammers to the desktop market. I expect prices to initially remain at a premium only due to low supply while they ramp volume on 130nm (otherwise the value of ~4 weeks production of Bartons will become nearly negative in worth asap).

 

[Muerto]

Sweet. Let the drooling begin.

 

[AGodspeed]

Now, excuse me while I verify my CeBiT registration

Seriously. :Q

Btw, isn't AMD also supposed to launch Thoroughbred at CeBIT, or am I just imagining this?

 

[MoleX]

Who comes up with these ridiculious (imo) Core names?

hmmm?

Cathleine Turner OverDrive

 

[MagicalDenisX]

The 64-bit processors era is almost here!

I was wondering about Intel though, they where supposed to launch a 64-bit processors too. Codenamed Tualatin if I remember right. Does anyone know if the project has been abandonned or is the development team on a long vacation?

Blah, anyway, long live AMD! I'm sure they won't let Intel hold the speed crown for long.

 

[Mookow]

<<
I was wondering about Intel though, they where supposed to launch a 64-bit processors too. Codenamed Tualatin if I remember right. Does anyone know if the project has been abandonned or is the development team on a long vacation?
>>



No, Tualatin is the .13 micron P3 core. The 64-bit Intel processor is called Itanium, and you wont be able to run any of your current programs on it (its doesnt use the x86 instruction set). Its not made for consumers.

 

[DSTA]

The 64-bit Intel processor is called Itanium, and you wont be able to run any of your current programs on it (its doesnt use the x86 instruction set). Its not made for consumers.

I really think ITANIC (coined by the Inquirer) is much more fitting .

 

[DSTA]

Btw, isn't AMD also supposed to launch Thoroughbred at CeBIT, or am I just imagining this?

Strong rumours, but nothing **confirmed** AFAIK.

BTW, if any of you guys are going to CeBit, PM me or start a thread in off topic round April. First round of Pils is on me .

 

[ToBeMe]

<<

<<
I was wondering about Intel though, they where supposed to launch a 64-bit processors too. Codenamed Tualatin if I remember right. Does anyone know if the project has been abandonned or is the development team on a long vacation?
>>



No, Tualatin is the .13 micron P3 core. The 64-bit Intel processor is called Itanium, and you wont be able to run any of your current programs on it (its doesnt use the x86 instruction set). Its not made for consumers. >>


Somewhere in here fits a new Intel release.........Galaten.........this could be the one you were thinking of, do a search! Supposed to be released mid-year..........

 

[Idontcare]

<< Its not made for consumers. >>



Now that is funny...LOL...prolly true too but I imagine Intel actually sells a few of these Itanics to people who purchase them (making them consumers)...Still though, funny when you think about the irony of your statement due to the near truth of it!

 

[Bovinicus]

Hrm, perhaps I will hold off on the Thoroughbred as well. I will at least wait until the Hammer strikes before I upgrade to the TBred. The prices will probably really start to drop then.

 

[BD231]

3ghz is a big number buddy :Q, dose anyone know if the hammer's 2 cores will be clocked indipendantly or together?. For example, both cores run at 1ghz so AMD says its a 2ghz proc. What are the chances of that happening?

 

[Idontcare]

<< 3ghz is a big number buddy :Q, dose anyone know if the hammer's 2 cores will be clocked indipendantly or together?. For example, both cores run at 1ghz so AMD says its a 2ghz proc. What are the chances of that happening? >>



I suspect the chance is minimal. Remember Intel's P4 has the double-pumped ALUs but they do not advertise a 2GHz P4 as a 4GHz P4 (not that AMD would only do what Intel considers ethical...). What should have us all concerned is that we are being told to expect a new Athlon core (130 nm + SOI = Barton) within a mere 3-6 months of a suppossed ClawHammer release. Hmm, why on earth would any company do that to themselves? The instant they release the Claw their investment into design and production of Bartons will diminish in resale value rapidly....unless (a) Claw will be really expensive which is unlikely due to x86-64 quick adoption hopes, or (b) Claw will not really be released for a long time (like a year) after Bartons hit the street.

-Phil

 

[Athlon4all]

For those wondering about the price, unless AMD really increases prices dramatically in relation to what they cost to manufacture, a Single Core ClawHammer should be no more expensive, prolly less expensive than Northwood because according to the recent benchmarks released, if u look earlier in the document, it states the die size of ClawHammer, and Int. NorthBridge and all, it still is smaller than Northwood. So it should be not necessarily cheap, but It should be just as cheap as Northwood.

 

[aka1nas]

Also they could always do something similar to what Intel did with the tualatin core and make barton into the new duron once Hammer is fully underway. It would still be a speedy(and by then, very cheap to produce at .13micron) budget chip that would work with the then "legacy" socket A boards.

 

[AGodspeed]

Lets clear up some things here...

The instant they release the Claw their investment into design and production of Bartons will diminish in resale value rapidly.

Which is the very reason why AMD recently stated that Barton would be released as the market requires. In other words, Barton will see very few sales compared to AMD's plans for Thoroughbred and ClawHammer.

Also, Itanium will NOT and is NOT intended for the desktop/laptop space. Intel would have to cut Itanium down in coplexity and size so much that it wouldn't be the same thing anymore. Itanium's die size is, well, itanic (3-4 times larger than that of Athlon XP) not to mention the design is complicated and manufacturing techniques are no walk in the park (so I'm told). All these factors make it not so cheap (most Itanium systems are selling in the $15,000-20,000 range, sometimes more).

Btw, look back at my first post, I've updated for some more Hammer news.

 

[Idontcare]

<< Which is the very reason why AMD recently stated that Barton would be released as the market requires. >>



LOL - did they say that? I could have swore nearly all product is released as the market requires...if the market doesn't require it then you have no one to release it to, if the market does require it then that would be sort of the whole point in being in business of producing them... I'm gonna laugh my ass off if they really stated that somewhere...LOL

I heard recently that Micron is going to sell ram as the market requires, oh oh and Intel is only going to sell P4 and Itanics as the market requires too, damn, funny dat...