A broken news media

Craig234

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The theory of our free press is that if an administration makes many bad mistakes, has massive incompetence, the press will accurately write the stories and inform the public.

Why, then, is the history of the last six years one in which many big mistakes which are now becoming 'ok' to discuss - even insiders such as Richard Perle are saying that what he thought was the most competent security team since Truman turned out to be among the worst - went largely unreported as such in the mainstream media?

One idea: because if the truth had just been written up and published, resulting in articles very critical of the administration, the sales would have suffered; the public has a large element which would have made strong attacks of 'bias', and the public would have turned away enough that the lost sales would have been catatrophic to their finances. And so, the need for the news to be a profitable product took precedence, and the facts were withheld in large part, if covered at all done ineffectively, such as with 'critics say...' discredting.

The result? The media preserved some better finances, at the expense of not fulfilling its role to inform the public.

Instead, only minor publications wrote the accurate stories; but with much of the public discounting minor publications, this was no substitute for the mainstream media.

This is not a partisan issue - the same pressured could prevent the media from accurately reporting the disasters of a bad democrat if sales would suffer, too.

Worse, the maintream media has a pressure to actively discredit the minor publications telling the truth, lest their lack of reporting become known.

You can see an example of this when reporter Jim Webb wrote major stories in the 90's on the history of the CIA's relationship to cocaine in Central America in a local newspaper, which implicitly showed that the big newspapers had not reported the same important stories; the NY Times and LA Times (the stories largely involved LA, making the LA Times look especially bad) trashed the stories. The national mainstream media attacks led to the paper's retracting the stories.

The stories were shown to generally have been correct a few years later when congressional hearings brought out the history.

So, it would seem that our news media in the US has become broken - too beholden to profitability to tell the public 'hard truths' which will cause a backlash to sales.

This creates a fulfillment of 'ignorance is bliss' - the public isn't disturbed in their view that the government is doing just fine (its opponents can attack it for other things, unaware of these facts); and the media can go on making the money it wants reporting on stories which have no backlash.

The only downside? The good of the nation that an honest press brings, in helping the nation to learn of covered-up problems, is lost; corruption thrives like hidden bacteria.

Things would be much worse if the price of entry had not been so lowered by the internet. Those 'minor publications' have become far more trusted as they have told the stories.

But there's still no substitute for the mainstream media. As the powers that be are ever better-funded and have mass media techniques at their disposal, the public needs more and more a media which will tell the truth even when there's a price, and that means some alternatives to media dominated by profit concerns.

'Yellow Journalism' refers to the bad old days when a Hearst could say that he'd bring the country to war with his stories if he wanted to (and he went on to do so).

We don't need that, and we don't need the purely safe media which avoids the controversial but important stories, piling on only following public opinion.

Rants are supposedly better with something constructive, so I'll add something we can do is to support some of the 'truth-telling' media, reading it, buying it, donating to it.

One I like: The Internet News, Views and Culture Magazine Salon
 

Jeff7

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We were to read a book, "Beyond Hypocrisy" for a philosophy class. Part of it dealt with just how much filtering the news gets before it reaches you. It has to pass through the reporter, various editors, and a writer, and then editors again, each with their own biases. Then there is also the most important aspect: will the news offend any of the news organization's advertisers? Or will it offend many viewers? If so, it either won't be aired, or it'll just be really toned down. That's how you get "all the news that's fit to print." That's why Mark Twain said, "If you don't read the newspaper, you are uninformed. If you read the newspaper, you are misinformed."
 

AnitaPeterson

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It's simple.

These days, media = product. Nothing more, nothing else. Media are owned by large corporations, often producing and commercializing companies and products from other branches of the economy. These corporations have shareholders, who frown upon anything that might reduce their dividends. Not to mention their own moral and political views!

Sadly, there's almost no public service media to speak of in the U.S.... The rest of the First World has state-owned TV stations and radio, which for better or worse provide a good counter-balance to commercial outlets. But the print media are tragically left behind in most cases.

 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson
It's simple.

These days, media = product. Nothing more, nothing else. Media are owned by large corporations, often producing and commercializing companies and products from other branches of the economy. These corporations have shareholders, who frown upon anything that might reduce their dividends. Not to mention their own moral and political views!

Sadly, there's almost no public service media to speak of in the U.S.... The rest of the First World has state-owned TV stations and radio, which for better or worse provide a good counter-balance to commercial outlets. But the print media are tragically left behind in most cases.

You are correct, the problem is that media is treated as just another commercial product. This would actually be fine if free market factors were good at picking media that respected their duty of public service, but the free market is only as good as the consumers...and consumers today are NOT good at picking media sources. The increasing popularity of partisan blogs and "news" shows like Bill O'Reilly and Hannity and Colmes tells you all you need to know about what people are looking for in their media. Like the old joke about the drunk, the media isn't used so much for illumination as for support.

In one sense the free market is working perfectly...people are getting what they ask for. But in terms of preserving the traditional "watchdog" role of journalism, it's not very useful.
 

JS80

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I would say it's a choice between Truth+Profit vs. Ideology, and any observer will find that the mainstream media has consistently chosen Ideology (big media shareholders have been revolting due to lackluster performance). News Corp. proved that by reporting the truth, you can profit immensely, and Liberal newspapers/news programs have proven report your ideology and you lose your viewer/reader base.
 

Craig234

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Anita, I think there's a fundamental issue many don't realize - they think that getting the 'objective news' is what they need, without realizing how that news has to pass the 'market filter' which says that a story exposing the government as incompetent can *reallY* piss off too many buyers, and therefore advertisers.

Advertisers want to sponsor fluff, not divisive news.

One of the 'big 3' tv anchors, Dan Rather, said in the buildup to the Iraq war that the news media was too intimidated to ask the real news questions.

So, people don't realize that they are missing out on 'real news'; anything challlenging power, anything controversial, becomes 'fringe' and discouraged, which produces its own bias.
 

Lemon law

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So lets go back to the days of watergate when the press worked----and ask what is different now.

Certainly, a certain case is being made here that the Repubs now control the press because they own the press---and can put various pressures on news reporters to not dig so hard.
And we also had judges and courts that worked---and supported the reporter in their work---plus a congress holding hearings---as a reluctant public slowly concluded that Nixon was in it up to eyeballs.---but even up to a few months before Nixon resigned---the convention wisdom was that Nixon would escape---and when the end came---it came swiftly.

And here we are 22 years later---with courts that don't work as well, a press that is lazier, and an American public that is more jaded. But can we dismiss that as the only difference?

And I will point out that maybe its the blog---and political spin that may be the real culprit. During watergate, journalistic rules applied, and nothing was printed without multi-source
confirmation. In short---when something was printed by a respected journalist---you could take it to the bank and believe it.

Can we say the same thing today?---when the internet and blogasphere is the home from every crackpot theory and conspiracy---and we have political operatives that spread lies on every subject under the sun for fun and profit.

So I am saying we have lost our compass--our direction--in determining what is true and false---and just like good money drives out bad---bad journalism drives out what can be trusted---nor do we have men like Walter Cronckite--or any talking head that can be trusted.

Wish I knew the answer---but how can you censor the internet?
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: JS80
I would say it's a choice between Truth+Profit vs. Ideology, and any observer will find that the mainstream media has consistently chosen Ideology (big media shareholders have been revolting due to lackluster performance). News Corp. proved that by reporting the truth, you can profit immensely, and Liberal newspapers/news programs have proven report your ideology and you lose your viewer/reader base.

I think you are mistaken, truth and profit very rarely go together...least of all for News Corp. In fact, they are probably the biggest offender of ideology based reporting, but in their case it's the ideology of the viewers they want to attract. Do you really believe that any news organization offering the truth would really have such a hugely partisan fan base? Not only that, but peer reviewed studies have found that Fox News viewers are far more likely than viewers of "liberal" media to believe untrue "facts" favorable to the conservative political viewpoint, especially about Iraq. In fact, that most hated of "liberal media" bastions, NPR, had among the most well informed customers of any news organization.

Fox News really proves the rule. They ARE hugely successful, mostly because they were among the first large media outlets to be founded on the principle that the average Joe Sixpack doesn't WANT informative news that challenges his worldview, he wants "news" that confirms his views and allows him to claim factual support for his ideology. Fox has been very successful doing this because there is a very large market for biased news, probably a larger market than you will find for FACTUAL news. I suspect this will change eventually, but in a market where ignorantly partisan bloggers are gaining huge appeal, the fact that Fox News is going well does not bode well for their ability to report the truth.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: Lemon law
So lets go back to the days of watergate when the press worked----and ask what is different now.

Certainly, a certain case is being made here that the Repubs now control the press because they own the press---and can put various pressures on news reporters to not dig so hard.
And we also had judges and courts that worked---and supported the reporter in their work---plus a congress holding hearings---as a reluctant public slowly concluded that Nixon was in it up to eyeballs.---but even up to a few months before Nixon resigned---the convention wisdom was that Nixon would escape---and when the end came---it came swiftly.

And here we are 22 years later---with courts that don't work as well, a press that is lazier, and an American public that is more jaded. But can we dismiss that as the only difference?

And I will point out that maybe its the blog---and political spin that may be the real culprit. During watergate, journalistic rules applied, and nothing was printed without multi-source
confirmation. In short---when something was printed by a respected journalist---you could take it to the bank and believe it.

Can we say the same thing today?---when the internet and blogasphere is the home from every crackpot theory and conspiracy---and we have political operatives that spread lies on every subject under the sun for fun and profit.

So I am saying we have lost our compass--our direction--in determining what is true and false---and just like good money drives out bad---bad journalism drives out what can be trusted---nor do we have men like Walter Cronckite--or any talking head that can be trusted.

Wish I knew the answer---but how can you censor the internet?

When the media works, it's an instrument for power of the public rather than of the few; it can rally and organize public opinion.

Watergate was an example of that happening, and the right wing set out to weaken the institution, because the public being able to organize is a threat to the few most wealthy.

It's analogous to employment issues, where unions led the way out of the poverty of the gilded age, to where organized workers became middle class.

The right wing set out to weaken the media's power to rally and organize public opinion and it's done very well at that. Now almost any exposures get the 'biased media' answer.

Just as the ultra wealthy 'won' the battle the last six - and really 25 - years whatever happened this last election, because they still got their hundreds of billions, they've won the media war, not because their side dominates the media - that wasn't their plan. Rather it's because the media as an institution is less able to organize the public against any particular power or right-wing agenda, whether it be the tax cuts, or administration incompetence, or government secrecy, etc.

What the public fails to realize is that ultimately, the interests of the ultra wealthy and democracy are at odds. Democracy has to be protected to continue.

The American as consumer works for the wealthy; the consumer as voter, having 'artifical' power to elect leaders who will have power over the wealthy, doesn't work well.

They make the best of it, by dominating the political system and having a lot of media power, but it's not as good for them as endng or at least weakening democracy.

You see the latter happening more and more in sneaky ways - the free trade agreements with clauses that destroy elected governments' power to regulate, by making any laws they pass subject to an unelected, business-appointed tribunal for damages to be paid to anyone hurt by the regulations; California just barely defeated a measure that would have greatly restricted regulatory power, hidden under a description of limiting eminent domain.

There's a saying that any political movement that gets pwoer has had to establish its own media, its own communications. The web has helped with that currently.
 

AnitaPeterson

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Craig, you make some excellent points... indeed, within the increasingly litigious society we live, certain truths and facts are not only uncomfortable, but outright dangerous... I've seen journalists so obsessed with not becoming "open" to attacks that they practice self-censorship to the point at which there's nothing useful left from their materials, excepts a couple of phrases, and some "5W" information... I think political correctness alone has become, in the long run, one of the most destructive forces currently raging war on the media. Add to this legal frameworks skewed against new technologies (which are, after all the physical/virtual support for content), which frowns upon free sharing, usage and dissemination (see the newer "two-tiered internet" efforts underway), the fact that there are entry barriers stacked up higher and higher even for traditional media, and you pretty much have the domination of pop culture, infotainment and fluff... and with 500 channels, the informational redundancy is enormous, while the capacity to absorb and process hasn't evolved beyond a certain point....