A blackhole is a graviton soup/star claims physicist Georgi (Gia) Dvali

[marees]

Think of it as a quark star but made of purely gravitons. A graviton soup. i.e. a Bose-Einstein condensate soup of graviton with all other stuff such as electrons floating on top (on the event horizon)

Or maybe even a fuzzball (but the 'strings' are gravitons)

Fuzzball (string theory) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

https://twitter.com/x/status/1840626132015571184

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

They're a bug in our simulation, the consequence of a complicated set of formulas that there's no patch for without upending the rest of the system, so they're left alone and presumed to remain invisible to any sentient inhabitants.

 

[Charmonium]

Hawking's black hole firewall paradox has yet to be resolved. So people are now considering that a BH may not be as theorized - i.e., some sort of singularity.

 

[marees]

Hawking's black hole firewall paradox has yet to be resolved. So people are now considering that a BH may not be as theorized - i.e., some sort of singularity.

This is what I think

1. There is a white hole inside every black hole
2. The white hole spits mass/energy out continuously
3. The mass/energy that is spit out of a white hole drops back into it eventually. This is because of extreme space time curvature around the white hole
4. Ironically this extreme space time curvature of the space around a white hole is caused by the huge mass/energy packed in the white hole
5. Because of continuously spitting mass/energy which keeps falling back in, the white hole (in the 'centre' of the black hole) is constantly 'burning', flickering in shape & direction — like a raging wild fire
6. The outside world is cut off from everything inside the interior of the white hole by the event horizon
7. Classical gravity applies outside the event horizon where it appears as if entire mass/energy inside black hole is concentrated in a centre point inside the black hole — a mathematical singularly
8. Basically there is no Hair outside the event horizon
9. All the space inside the event horizon is curved/pulled in towards the raging/flickering white hole inside
10. Since the white hole is continuously flickering like a raging flame, the space time curvature inside the event horizon is also continuously dancing around pointing towards the flickering white hole
11. Basically there is (a constantly dancing) hair inside the event horizon
12. Here it is best to imagine the space-time outside the event horizon as a 3-dimensional & consistent dough that is gravitational curved/aligned towards the centre (in case of non-rotating) black hole
13. But inside the event horizon the dimensionality of the space time is reduced as if you pressed the dough thru a sieve (see image below)

Right at the event horizon the spacetime is entangled to the white hole.
And Inside the event horizon it is all tiny dynamic continuosuly dancing strands of spacetime constantly realigning to the raging white hole

 

[Charmonium]

Personally, I’m what you might call “skeptical” about singularities generally. If gravity is dependent upon the quantity of mass, then either the quarks and gluons are being converted into something else that also happens to have mass, or, they’re still essentially the same entities with the same properties but maybe slightly different - sort of how a neutron star is still quarks and gluons but much more compact.

I recently learned that most of the mass of say a proton is accounted for by the gluons, which are apparently massless bosons. Actually, the explanations are a bit more vague. They seem to mainly be concerned that you don’t go running around saying energy has mass.

And that’s as deep as I’m going on this particular colonoscopy.

Anyway, it seems to me that the most logical assumption is that mass, in whatever form, is being conserved. And from there, it would be very pleasant if a change in the very nature of the matter is NOT required. Of course, based on the normal rules of the universe, our preferences aren't especially relevant.

 

[marees]

I recently learned that most of the mass of say a proton is accounted for by the gluons, which are apparently massless bosons. Actually, the explanations are a bit more vague. They seem to mainly be concerned that you don’t go running around saying energy has mass.

I read Matt Strassler's waves in an impossible sea

It explains the concept of a rest mass, fields & waves very well

Regarding gravity, I am most aligned with Erik Verlinde's entropic gravity, of which the latest version is below
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Would you guys say surface tension is not real

Why do two separately floating objects in a liquid "attract" each other ??


What if gravity is an emergent property like surface tension ?

What if they both are essentially trying to *minimize disorder at the interfaces — where non-aligned polarized particles are forced to mix with each other*

What if gravity is an emergent property that is trying to optimize the entropy emerging out of spin aligned quantum bits

FULL DISCLAIMER:
I neither know about physics of Surface Tension nor Gravity !!

 

[Charmonium]

At some point, I really do want to study such stuff much more formally. You don't really appreciate the scaffolding of knowledge until you need to navigate it.

I took physics, "normal" physics in HS and I've taken at least the first year of calculus and analytical geometry. There are different maths involved, so I'm probably looking at, at least 3-4 years taking one course at a time.

That's really such a better way to learn something if you actually want/need to understand it. Technically, I could do that now, at least get started. But I'm just not feeling it currently.

Getting some order in my life is a self imposed pre-requisite - a very much tougher challenge.

 

[cytg111]

Our entire hardware and software stack, dna data and reasoning capabilities is engineered in an entropy burning perceived forward moving environment. Black holes is where time goes to die. Might as well ask what happened before the big bang. We can guesstimate and theorize but the actual experiments seems out of our reach- as we dont function without time.

 

[IronWing]

They're a bug in our simulation, the consequence of a complicated set of formulas that there's no patch for without upending the rest of the system, so they're left alone and presumed to remain invisible to any sentient inhabitants.

I detest the god of the gaps explanation for things we don't yet understand. It's intellectually lazy.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

I detest the god of the gaps explanation for things we don't yet understand. It's intellectually lazy.

I don't seek to explain all the gaps in our reality (of which there are more than a few) with simulation theory, just the ones that fit cleanly.

Singularities are nonsense and have no business existing. They're a faulty formula, the result of a poorly coded hack to get the system functional.

 

[marees]

This is what I think

1. There is a white hole inside every black hole
2. The white hole spits mass/energy out continuously
3. The mass/energy that is spit out of a white hole drops back into it eventually. This is because of extreme space time curvature around the white hole
4. Ironically this extreme space time curvature of the space around a white hole is caused by the huge mass/energy packed in the white hole
5. Because of continuously spitting mass/energy which keeps falling back in, the white hole (in the 'centre' of the black hole) is constantly 'burning', flickering in shape & direction — like a raging wild fire
6. The outside world is cut off from everything inside the interior of the white hole by the event horizon
7. Classical gravity applies outside the event horizon where it appears as if entire mass/energy inside black hole is concentrated in a centre point inside the black hole — a mathematical singularly
8. Basically there is no Hair outside the event horizon
9. All the space inside the event horizon is curved/pulled in towards the raging/flickering white hole inside
10. Since the white hole is continuously flickering like a raging flame, the space time curvature inside the event horizon is also continuously dancing around pointing towards the flickering white hole
11. Basically there is (a constantly dancing) hair inside the event horizon
12. Here it is best to imagine the space-time outside the event horizon as a 3-dimensional & consistent dough that is gravitational curved/aligned towards the centre (in case of non-rotating) black hole
13. But inside the event horizon the dimensionality of the space time is reduced as if you pressed the dough thru a sieve (see image below)

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Right at the event horizon the spacetime is entangled to the white hole.
And Inside the event horizon it is all tiny dynamic continuosuly dancing strands of spacetime constantly realigning to the raging white hole

A more legible version of my crank theory on what's inside a blackhole:

Note: this a classical view & not a quantum gravity view as my "intuition" can grasp only the classical ideas & not quantum


be warned that I got awarded with 2 Badges Of Shame & multiple negative points when I posted this in the physics forums blog

https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/is-there-a-white-hole-inside-every-black-hole.1082533/

Here is my mental model of a blackhole

1. Collapsing matter forms event horizon of a black hole (this is known & uncontroversial)
2. The moment an event horizon forms
   1. A white hole is formed inside the event horizon
   2. The exterior of the black hole's event horizon gets entangled to the interior of the white hole's horizon
   3. The white hole keeps bursting out — but it keeps getting recreated due to the Dense mass at the centre of the black hole
   4. It is like a flickering flame. The white hole bursts but new one created in its place & this process repeats ad infinitum as long as the black hole's event horizon persists
3. This whole thing creates multiple layers / zones in the black hole
   1. Outside the black hole's event horizon, everything appears normal — you can't distinguish between classical gravity & quantum gravity here
   2. In the immediate interior of the event horizon the space is stretched like pasta strands oriented towards the centre / white hole. You can think of this as a laminar flow with all the individual pasta space strands co-existing but aligned towards the centre / white hole
   3. The next zone is a zone of turbulence where the laminar flow of space alignment is disturbed by the distortion caused by the mass continuously spewed out by the white hole
   4. The next zone just above the white hole is continuous & complete chaos, as the mass ejected by the white hole mixes with shredded tiny bits of space time
   5. The last layer / zone is the white hole at the centre — this keeps getting rejunavated continuously as stated earlier
4. To summarize — no Hair outside black hole's event horizon but dangling / dancing hair just inside the event horizon. As you progress further interior it just becomes more & more chaotic until you finally encounter the white hole which is in a constant bursting state but this is hidden to the outside world by the black hole's event horizon
5. Due to hawking's radiation the black hole (it's event horizon) is constantly shrinking over a period of time. Eventually the black hole gets small enough for the event horizon to disappear. Here the white hole momentarily pops into view & destructs itself in one final moment of glory