A black hospital patient went on a walk with an IV drip. Police arrested him on suspicion of stealing medical equipment

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Don't all hospitals put plastic bracelets on your wrist (identifying you as a patient, etc.)? Every time I've been admitted to a hospital that has been the case. All the cops had to do was look at his wrist.
 

Perknose

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If one removes bigotry of one form or another from the list of possible reasons why this happened, this is the most puzzling part of all.

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I'm sure that someone more experienced could come up with a way that puts the questioned far more at ease and reduces the risk of escalation.
It's just that you can't remove race from these incidents, which happen over and over to African Americans.

This is the insidious problem of racism. Apart from the white-hooded troglodytes, a broad swath of white American is more "racist" than they believe, can perceive, or admit. It lurks in them on a lower, but just as damaging level. So, when they see a black man in this situation, they are more inclined to think the worst.

And then, THAT black man, having endured this lower level but pervasive bigotry his whole life, gets indignant when unfairly stopped and accused of something he's NOT doing. And it escalates from there, so he's "disorderly" or "resisting address" or whatnot, put in handcuffs, and humilitated.

This has to stop. No justice, no peace. :(
 

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It's just that you can't remove race from these incidents, which happen over and over to African Americans.

This is the insidious problem of racism. Apart from the white-hooded troglodytes, a broad swath of white American is more "racist" than they believe, can perceive, or admit. It lurks in them on a lower, but just as damaging level. So, when they see a black man in this situation, they are more inclined to think the worst.

And then, THAT black man, having endured this lower level but pervasive bigotry his whole life, gets indignant when unfairly stopped and accused of something he's NOT doing. And it escalates from there, so he's "disorderly" or "resisting address" or whatnot, put in handcuffs, and humilitated.

This has to stop. No justice, no peace. :(

Trevor Noah was recently on Hot Ones and talked about this. It was a question on him having commented on preferring the racism in South Africa over here in the US. His reasoning was basically that in South Africa they are overt about it, and it makes it easier to tell where you stand with people and can work from there. When it is more subtle, the other person might not even realize it.
 

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It's just that you can't remove race from these incidents, which happen over and over to African Americans.

This is the insidious problem of racism. Apart from the white-hooded troglodytes, a broad swath of white American is more "racist" than they believe, can perceive, or admit. It lurks in them on a lower, but just as damaging level. So, when they see a black man in this situation, they are more inclined to think the worst.

And then, THAT black man, having endured this lower level but pervasive bigotry his whole life, gets indignant when unfairly stopped and accused of something he's NOT doing. And it escalates from there, so he's "disorderly" or "resisting address" or whatnot, put in handcuffs, and humilitated.

This has to stop. No justice, no peace. :(

The proper term is “being uppity”
 
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Maxima1

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Actually, no. The second article's data supports me, but conclusions do not.

What data? The data clearly showed blacks were vastly more involved in violent crimes which is associated with a higher likelihood of being shot.

The interesting thing about that second article happens in the comments. Where the conclusion is challenged by "so apparently the only way for blacks to reduce their exposure to police is to hide from them."

The vast majority of people who die from cops were a threat in some manner.

https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-d...k-children-are-not-being-gunned-down-by-cops/

Unarmed Black Children Are Not Being Gunned Down By Cops

This exposes a privilege bias in the conclusion of the article. The fact that blacks are overly exposed, by no choice of their own, to police contact in comparison to whites is victim blamed rather than addressed. Also, they completely ignore how blacks are treated in low crime white areas.

Curiously, you looked at the horribly flawed conclusion, but not the data. The data is the same.

Curiously, you don't share the same outrage over gender differences? Why?
 

Jhhnn

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Do white people leave the hospital hooked up to IV drips? If so, does the security guard call the cops? And if they did, would it hit the news? I can't imagine it's ok to leave any hospital with their equipment, even if you are walking around the parking lot having a smoke. Doesn't seem like something they'd permit. I am not sure this has anything to do with racism however.

Happens all the time, I'm sure. I've seen it many times driving past Denver General.
 

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I will be honest - I haven't seen all the info or details on this, but I wanted to to hopefully dispel a little bit of misinformation. At least at the hospital I work, it is hospital policy for patients not to leave the floor they are assigned. I am sure there are places this happens, but the rule is there for various reasons. Patients admitted to a hospital are sick and tending to not be in places you are expected means a couple things. There have been several cases of patients dying right in the entry door trying to get out and "smoke" or using meth/cocaine, etc. Everything from heart attacks to strokes have happened and will happen. It happens to sick people. Smoking is bad for you and smoking while sick is even worse. I love the comment, "I am just getting some fresh air." A patient in the hospital for pneumonia or COPD exacerbation should not be huffing and puffing on cigarettes while they are trying to get better. Another reason, safety - patients leaving the floor also get connected to "friends" and have incredibly easy access to inject whatever they want. At our hospital, this happens at least weekly due to the horrible drug problems in the area. I am sure for other hospitals it is worse. Another - IV access lines get infected or pulled. Equipment gets damaged. Patients get injured. Delay of care/timing of medications. Etc, etc, etc. Now do patients break hospital policy - all the stinking time and it does not matter what color they are.

Any patient leaving the floor gets security called on them and politely reminded of the policy and returned to the medical floor. Some leave against medical advice. When we can't find a patient, we essentially go on a manhunt. Have you not heard of patients dying in stairwells? Those with PICC lines in get a warrant - primarily for their safety. I can't tell you how many patients with PICC lines who leave AMA come back in with infected lines and overdoses the next day, if they are lucky. Many don't even make it.

We have had patients swing at staff, punch, kick, bite scratch, throw chairs, pull knives and break windows and equipment. We have had staff body slammed, break bones, lose teeth and all while still trying to help the patient. Thankfully, no guns recently. Hospitals can be dangerous places - especially downtown area hospitals or regional centers.
 

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I will be honest - I haven't seen all the info or details on this, but I wanted to to hopefully dispel a little bit of misinformation. At least at the hospital I work, it is hospital policy for patients not to leave the floor they are assigned. I am sure there are places this happens, but the rule is there for various reasons. Patients admitted to a hospital are sick and tending to not be in places you are expected means a couple things. There have been several cases of patients dying right in the entry door trying to get out and "smoke" or using meth/cocaine, etc. Everything from heart attacks to strokes have happened and will happen. It happens to sick people. Smoking is bad for you and smoking while sick is even worse. I love the comment, "I am just getting some fresh air." A patient in the hospital for pneumonia or COPD exacerbation should not be huffing and puffing on cigarettes while they are trying to get better. Another reason, safety - patients leaving the floor also get connected to "friends" and have incredibly easy access to inject whatever they want. At our hospital, this happens at least weekly due to the horrible drug problems in the area. I am sure for other hospitals it is worse. Another - IV access lines get infected or pulled. Equipment gets damaged. Patients get injured. Delay of care/timing of medications. Etc, etc, etc. Now do patients break hospital policy - all the stinking time and it does not matter what color they are.

Any patient leaving the floor gets security called on them and politely reminded of the policy and returned to the medical floor. Some leave against medical advice. When we can't find a patient, we essentially go on a manhunt. Have you not heard of patients dying in stairwells? Those with PICC lines in get a warrant - primarily for their safety. I can't tell you how many patients with PICC lines who leave AMA come back in with infected lines and overdoses the next day, if they are lucky. Many don't even make it.

We have had patients swing at staff, punch, kick, bite scratch, throw chairs, pull knives and break windows and equipment. We have had staff body slammed, break bones, lose teeth and all while still trying to help the patient. Thankfully, no guns recently. Hospitals can be dangerous places - especially downtown area hospitals or regional centers.
99% of hospital policies are to shield the hospital from lawsuits and only secondarily about patient safety. Hospitals will fire staff and lie to patients for breaking policies that can be proven to be wrong. Every patients needs are unique but, hospital policies are homogeneous and uniform. There are plenty of mentally challenged, criminal and, self destructive people in hospitals. Some are patients.
 

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I've worked in a level one trauma/burn unit for years. Our patients leave all the time AMA. We don't need to call the DPD to arrest them. They are already staffed as security off duty or retired staffed from the force. They go grab them and bring them back usually with a very pissed off and/or shaken nurse in tow...
 

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I will be honest - I haven't seen all the info or details on this, but I wanted to to hopefully dispel a little bit of misinformation. At least at the hospital I work, it is hospital policy for patients not to leave the floor they are assigned. I am sure there are places this happens, but the rule is there for various reasons. Patients admitted to a hospital are sick and tending to not be in places you are expected means a couple things. There have been several cases of patients dying right in the entry door trying to get out and "smoke" or using meth/cocaine, etc. Everything from heart attacks to strokes have happened and will happen. It happens to sick people. Smoking is bad for you and smoking while sick is even worse. I love the comment, "I am just getting some fresh air." A patient in the hospital for pneumonia or COPD exacerbation should not be huffing and puffing on cigarettes while they are trying to get better. Another reason, safety - patients leaving the floor also get connected to "friends" and have incredibly easy access to inject whatever they want. At our hospital, this happens at least weekly due to the horrible drug problems in the area. I am sure for other hospitals it is worse. Another - IV access lines get infected or pulled. Equipment gets damaged. Patients get injured. Delay of care/timing of medications. Etc, etc, etc. Now do patients break hospital policy - all the stinking time and it does not matter what color they are.

Any patient leaving the floor gets security called on them and politely reminded of the policy and returned to the medical floor. Some leave against medical advice. When we can't find a patient, we essentially go on a manhunt. Have you not heard of patients dying in stairwells? Those with PICC lines in get a warrant - primarily for their safety. I can't tell you how many patients with PICC lines who leave AMA come back in with infected lines and overdoses the next day, if they are lucky. Many don't even make it.

We have had patients swing at staff, punch, kick, bite scratch, throw chairs, pull knives and break windows and equipment. We have had staff body slammed, break bones, lose teeth and all while still trying to help the patient. Thankfully, no guns recently. Hospitals can be dangerous places - especially downtown area hospitals or regional centers.
This is how I thought it worked. I didn't think patients were allowed to wander around with an IV, at least not outside.
 

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My prediction is that the hospital security guard will be fired for being a racist dumbass. The patient was registered at the hospital, he was wearing a hospital wristband, he was hooked up to an IV and he was walking around near the hospital in a hospital gown.
 
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My prediction is that the hospital security guard will be fired for being a racist dumbass. The patient was registered at the hospital, he was wearing a hospital wristband, he was hooked up to an IV and he was walking around near the hospital in a hospital gown.
He won't be fired. No one will be fired. This is the pervasive but amoebic power of racism, it is woven throughout each day that a black man must navigate in this still white world. No one is wearing KKK robes here. Instead, the security is a little bit racist, though he probably doesn't see that or admit that. And the cops are a little bit racist, whether they will admit that or not. The racism here is not lodged in one uber villain. In a situation like this, it is reinforced, little by little, from actor to actor, until an innocent black man is dragged back to the hospital in handcuffs. But no one will be fired. This inbred societal racism is very hard to confront, with on one clear target. I am so glad I am not a black man in America.
 

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What data? The data clearly showed blacks were vastly more involved in violent crimes which is associated with a higher likelihood of being shot.



The vast majority of people who die from cops were a threat in some manner.

https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-d...k-children-are-not-being-gunned-down-by-cops/

Unarmed Black Children Are Not Being Gunned Down By Cops



Curiously, you don't share the same outrage over gender differences? Why?

Oh look. You found confirmation bias.

So let;'s just cut to the chase here. Are you claiming blacks are not treated differently than whites by police when all other factors are equal?

ARe you claiming systemic racism doesn't exist?

Are you claiming the stunning fundings of the Plain View Project are false, and that nearly 1/3 of cops aren't blatantly racist on social media?

You do realize you sound like a flat earther here.
 

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I am not black, but I am of Mexican decent on my father's side of the family and very proud of that part of my heritage. I take offense at the negative stereotypes applied to Latinos and Latinas in general, as I do for any human being. It is wrong to judge the entire group for the actions of an individual or a small group of individuals.

I fall back to what MLK said when he dreamed of a world where his children would be judged by the content of the character alone. This is what we should all strive for. To be individually the best people we can be so society as a whole is better for it. EDIT: and so we can hold our heads up high and love ourselves for who we are at least trying to be.

But we cannot dismiss the bad actions of an individual because they are of a minority race any more than we can judge that entire race negatively based on the actions of one individual. People can be bad or good based on the content of their character, but an entire race cannot be judged so, and it is the epitome of racism if we do.

If you check the OP's article it has been updated with the following information: "Police arrested all three men, charging them with misdemeanor disorderly conduct. Two of the men were also charged with misdemeanor resisting arrest, according to a Freeport police press release issued June 17." Nobody was arrested for stealing anything.

I wasn't there, and I don't know exactly what happened. I watched the video posted and find it funny that the sound was not released as well, and instead we have narration. So I can only wonder what was actually said.

Maybe those men were arrested for being black. Or maybe they caused enough of a disturbance that the arrests were totally justified. Fact is, nobody here claiming racism has a fucking clue what actually happened.

What I do know is that if I was hooked up to an IV and a security guard or cop asked me to return to the hospital I would comply. And my race would have nothing to do with my decision.
 
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I am not black, but I am of Mexican decent on my father's side of the family and very proud of that part of my heritage. I take offense at the negative stereotypes applied to Latinos and Latinas in general, as I do for any human being. It is wrong to judge the entire group for the actions of an individual or a small group of individuals.

I fall back to what MLK said when he dreamed of a world where his children would be judged by the content of the character alone. This is what we should all strive for. To be individually the best people we can be so society as a whole is better for it. EDIT: and so we can hold our heads up high and love ourselves for who we are at least trying to be.

But we cannot dismiss the bad actions of an individual because they are of a minority race any more than we can judge that entire race negatively based on the actions of one individual. People can be bad or good based on the content of their character, but an entire race cannot be judged so, and it is the epitome of racism if we do.

If you check the OP's article it has been updated with the following information: "Police arrested all three men, charging them with misdemeanor disorderly conduct. Two of the men were also charged with misdemeanor resisting arrest, according to a Freeport police press release issued June 17." Nobody was arrested for stealing anything.

I wasn't there, and I don't know exactly what happened. I watched the video posted and find it funny that the sound was not released as well, and instead we have narration. So I can only wonder what was actually said.

Maybe those men were arrested for being black. Or maybe they caused enough of a disturbance that the arrests were totally justified. Fact is, nobody here claiming racism has a fucking clue what actually happened.

What I do know is that if I was hooked up to an IV and a security guard or cop asked me to return to the hospital I would comply. And my race would have nothing to do with my decision.

And again. Harass and insult an entire race on a regular basis. When that race has had enough and acts with proper and understandable rebellion and indignance, scream "AH HA! See! They're animals!" and charge them with disorderly conduct because they're expressing perfectly understandable outrage. When they understandably resist this wildly unfair, yet shockingly regular treatment, charge the with resisting arrest.

Fuck. All. Of. That.

From the start the treatment was wrong.

You don't get to harass and insult people based on the color of their skin, then blame the emotional outcome of that on them. Their anger was justified. Yet their anger was used against them to then charge them with something totally unrelated to the trumped up bullshit nonsense they were stopped for in the first place.

This is systematic legal trolling to saddle black men with felony records. Treat them like shit, piss them off, then arrest them for being pissed.
 
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I am not black, but I am of Mexican decent on my father's side of the family and very proud of that part of my heritage. I take offense at the negative stereotypes applied to Latinos and Latinas in general, as I do for any human being. It is wrong to judge the entire group for the actions of an individual or a small group of individuals.

I fall back to what MLK said when he dreamed of a world where his children would be judged by the content of the character alone. This is what we should all strive for. To be individually the best people we can be so society as a whole is better for it. EDIT: and so we can hold our heads up high and love ourselves for who we are at least trying to be.

But we cannot dismiss the bad actions of an individual because they are of a minority race any more than we can judge that entire race negatively based on the actions of one individual. People can be bad or good based on the content of their character, but an entire race cannot be judged so, and it is the epitome of racism if we do.

If you check the OP's article it has been updated with the following information: "Police arrested all three men, charging them with misdemeanor disorderly conduct. Two of the men were also charged with misdemeanor resisting arrest, according to a Freeport police press release issued June 17." Nobody was arrested for stealing anything.

I wasn't there, and I don't know exactly what happened. I watched the video posted and find it funny that the sound was not released as well, and instead we have narration. So I can only wonder what was actually said.

Maybe those men were arrested for being black. Or maybe they caused enough of a disturbance that the arrests were totally justified. Fact is, nobody here claiming racism has a fucking clue what actually happened.

What I do know is that if I was hooked up to an IV and a security guard or cop asked me to return to the hospital I would comply. And my race would have nothing to do with my decision.

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