A Beautiful Sight...

[Josh]

Picture perfect

 

[Mr.IncrediblyBored]

Not if you live in Afghanistan.

 

[Josh]

<< Not if you live in Afghanistan. >>



Not if you live in Afghanistan...and you are part of the Taliban...hopefully we won't make any more civilian mistakes :Q

 

[BamBam215]

"civilian mistakes"

That's the trouble with military operations isn't it? There's always going to be civilian mistakes (reported and unreported). It's a shame the U.S. has to show it's the "beacon of freedom" by bombing another country back to the stone age. Man... don't we have big balls now. GWB can go home happy that he's allowed to played with all the big toys at his disposal and show what a real man he is.

 

[Josh]

<< "civilian mistakes"

That's the trouble with military operations isn't it? There's always going to be civilian mistakes (reported and unreported). It's a shame the U.S. has to show it's the "beacon of freedom" by bombing another country back to the stone age. Man... don't we have big balls now. GWB can go home happy that he's allowed to played with all the big toys at his disposal and show what a real man he is. >>



What do you suggest we do then? If you are going to criticize someone at least back it up with a statement of what he/her should have done in the situation.

 

[Pastore]

BamBam, would a better thing to do be to sit on our asses and watch them continue their attacks on us?

moron

 

[Josh]

<< BamBam, would a better thing to do be to sit on our asses and watch them continue their attacks on us?

moron >>



I was thinking the same thing...

 

[mrCide]

<< "civilian mistakes"

That's the trouble with military operations isn't it? There's always going to be civilian mistakes (reported and unreported). It's a shame the U.S. has to show it's the "beacon of freedom" by bombing another country back to the stone age. Man... don't we have big balls now. GWB can go home happy that he's allowed to played with all the big toys at his disposal and show what a real man he is. >>



fool. as others said, what's your magical solution?

 

[BamBam215]

So how do you justify an act of violence with more acts of violence?

Oh and beast.. yeah... that comment really showed your intelligence. I guess we can all start the name calling war now.

 

[Antoneo]

<< So how do you justify an act of violence with more acts of violence? >>



So.... What is your solution Mr. Antiwar? Ingore the terror attacks? Wow you're a genius if you say that one.

 

[cipher00]

So how do you justify an act of violence with more acts of violence?

We don't, nor do we have to. It's self defense. We didn't ask for this, and it's pretty clear that nothing short of eradication will stop the terrorists. They hate us and everything we stand for -- enough to start killing innocent people. They won't stop of their own accord, so we stop them.

 

[Josh]

<< So how do you justify an act of violence with more acts of violence?

Oh and beast.. yeah... that comment really showed your intelligence. I guess we can all start the name calling war now. >>



Are you thick man? How else are we supposed to stop the terrorists? Sit here and negotiate? Well, if you haven't heard -- they don't give a FLYING FSCK what we say, so we must kill them or they'll kill us.

 

[urameatball]

I have to agree with BamBam.

at times of peace, and where other countries are at war, we often say that was is ugly and war is wrong.

but now, it seems some of you guys are turning war into a beautiful work for art. eg "Picture Perfect". Why is that? It seems for a lot of people now, they're letting their emotions take over their logical senses sometimes. Its like when I made a somewhat philsophical thread on whether an attach would be justified since we would be acting closer to the way terrorists act... all replies and PMs I got regarding that thread were curses and phrases like "we don't need your kind of philosophical crap".

its like any attempt that anyone makes to defend the position of afghanistan would be certainly shot down without any detailed or truely logical reason...

as my philosophy prof would say.
1 death = killer
couple deaths = serial murderer
thousands of deaths = terrorism
millions of deaths = government

and as our parents would say.
"just because bobby kicked you, it doesn't mean you can kick him back"

and as that song in Rush Hour would say.
"war...uh... what is it good for? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING"


anyway, I still can't see how a picture showing weapons of mass destruction is "PICTURE PERFECT".

one last note... terrorists do not form just do randomly commit acts of extreme violence. They form for a reason, AND maybe if we stopped thinking about how to destroy them, and start figuring out what motivated them to kill US citizens, then you might be getting somewhere. and if you say terrorists are people without reason... then you might want to compare the stubbornness of the terrorists versus the stubbornness of Bush's determination for bombing afghanistan.

 

[Josh]

<< one last note... terrorists do not form just do randomly commit acts of extreme violence. They form for a reason, AND maybe if we stopped thinking about how to destroy them, and start figuring out what motivated them to kill US citizens, then you might be getting somewhere. and if you say terrorists are people without reason... then you might want to compare the stubbornness of the terrorists versus the stubbornness of Bush's determination for bombing afghanistan. >>



The reason they killed INNOCENT US civilians is because they just have an overall hatred of USA, they think we are the reason for everything bad. They believe their God tells them to kill people, they don't have a logical reason for killing us. Also, as for the President's decision to kill all Taliban leaders/terrorists, he is doing it because for his job he has to think that American lives are more important than stupid terrorists.

 

[Platypus]

<< "civilian mistakes"

That's the trouble with military operations isn't it? There's always going to be civilian mistakes (reported and unreported). It's a shame the U.S. has to show it's the "beacon of freedom" by bombing another country back to the stone age. Man... don't we have big balls now. GWB can go home happy that he's allowed to played with all the big toys at his disposal and show what a real man he is. >>



100% agreement. There are others among us BamBam, dont feel bad that you dont bleed red white and blue now and 6 months ago no one gave a sh|t about the US..

 

[RossGr]

Why does the old Tarbaby story keep comming into my mind.

 

[Pepsi90919]

It's not really that beautiful, sorry to say.

 

[etech]

BamBam215

"So how do you justify an act of violence with more acts of violence?"

Hypothetical situation.

A deranged individual has taken your family hostage. He proceeds to shoot your father. The police arrive as the perpetrator is drawing a bead on your mother. Do you tell the police sniper to go home because more violence will not solve the problem?

 

[urameatball]

<< BamBam215

"So how do you justify an act of violence with more acts of violence?"

Hypothetical situation.

A deranged individual has taken your family hostage. He proceeds to shoot your father. The police arrive as the perpetrator is drawing a bead on your mother. Do you tell the police sniper to go home because more violence will not solve the problem? >>

hehe... maybe its a bad example because the act of violence on the mother has not been commited yet. So killing the deranged person who is about to kill your mother compared to the deranged guy killing the mother would effectively be the same amount of violence....

BUT if the deranged guy killed the mother, and the sniper proceeds with the shot, then it's doubling the amount of casualties... and relatively double the violence commited. Whereas if the deranged guy killed the mother, the cops could just arrest him and put him in a correctional institution.



any, has anyone read any books on John Locke (a recognized political philospher)? it's pretty insightful.

 

[etech]

urameatball

You are in the room and are next. Now what is your decision?

BTW, the terrorists are still out there and have stated that they will continue the acts. They are drawing a bead on us. Now what is your decision?

 

[TallBill]

i can agree with you that we should get to the root of the problem of why they feel the way they do, but at this point those terrorists dont feel.. they are trained similar to our army to simply take orders and react. Maybe they arren't 100% disciplined, but they sure as hell aint gonna suddenly get a bad feeling about killing and just back off... maybe finding the root of the problem can help prevent future incidents though...

 

[urameatball]

<<

<< one last note... terrorists do not form just do randomly commit acts of extreme violence. They form for a reason, AND maybe if we stopped thinking about how to destroy them, and start figuring out what motivated them to kill US citizens, then you might be getting somewhere. and if you say terrorists are people without reason... then you might want to compare the stubbornness of the terrorists versus the stubbornness of Bush's determination for bombing afghanistan. >>



The reason they killed INNOCENT US civilians is because they just have an overall hatred of USA, they think we are the reason for everything bad. They believe their God tells them to kill people, they don't have a logical reason for killing us. Also, as for the President's decision to kill all Taliban leaders/terrorists, he is doing it because for his job he has to think that American lives are more important than stupid terrorists. >>

then get snipers to kill the terrorists and taliban leaders... generally, do harm to all associated with the bombing.... BUT DON'T kill the afghan civilians. Because once you do, the US of A would officially become TERRORISTS!

generally...I believe that anyone who has breached on your rights, liberties, properties... the attackers hasforfeited their own rights and you may do what is necessary to protect your own rights/liberties/properties from being jeopardized by the same person(s) again (even if it means killing them). But it does NOT give you the right to cause harm to anyone who wasn't associated with the attack, for if you do, you give the victims of your counterattack the right to do harm to you!

 

[BamBam215]

hypothetical this... hyptothetical that... that's what it all is.. just hyptothetical. All I'm saying is how many more lives have to be shed before someone takes a step back and says... "hey... there must be a reason why all these fanatics hate the U.S." If you assume they they just hate the U.S. for no reason then you must be the thick headed one Josh.

I'm not sure if there's another solution, but I wish we just wish the military wouldn't just go into war with guns blazing.

"An eye for an eye leaves the world blind"
-Mahatma-Ghandi

 

[etech]

urameatball

That is what the US is doing. The Taliban is not going to issue visas to the Special Ops teams who must put their lives on the line. Since the acting government is aiding and abetting the criminals and will use their military to resist the criminals being brought to justice that military must be eliminated as a threat.

The US is not targeting civilians.

 

[etech]

BamBam, until you can propose another solution, go have a sit-in somewhere.

Try the site where the two World Trade Center towers used to stand.