A ban to fat talk?

Bateluer

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http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2025345,00.html

A recent Reflections participant, Vanderbilt senior Julie Lucas has made a pact with her roommate to hold each other accountable for fat talk. "A lot of times I say, 'I need to go on a run,' and she says, 'No, you want to go on a run,' " says Lucas. "It's an attitude change."

As a runner and athlete myself, this last paragraph strikes a nerve. People who exercise regularly usually make it part of their day. Its as natural as breathing and to us, it needs to be done. Period. And I don't think we should be encouraging people to exercise less. I'd rather Miss. Lucas respond to her roommate with 'Great, I'll join you.'

Laziness is a hard combatant to fight, and once you give it an inch, it takes a mile. Then two miles.

According to the article, fat talk also includes compliments like 'You look good, have you lost weight?' too.
 
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Schadenfroh

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You should learn to be more sensitive and open minded to others. It is not a person's fault that he or she is fat, it is predominantly their genes. One cannot chose their metabolism genes anymore than they can chose their race. Beyond the genes, we also have societal pressure to consume certain types of food in certain quantities, because eating can be a social event as well. In that regard, it is society's fault, not the individual's fault. With all of the anti-fat hate speech in the media today, is it really any surprise that so many people have health problems because they fear that they are fat or will become fat and resort to regurgitation or starving themselves to avoid the stigma associated with being fat in our intolerant society?
 

Scotteq

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Laziness is a hard combatant to fight, and once you give it an inch, it takes a mile. Then two miles.


But... If it were truly Lazy, it would take the inch you gave it and stop. I mean - Who the hell wants to go through the effort of taking an inch 63,360 times?? If Laziness thought that was fun, it would play World of Warcraft!
 

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You should learn to be more sensitive and open minded to others. It is not a person's fault that he or she is fat, it is predominantly their genes. One cannot chose their metabolism genes anymore than they can chose their race. Beyond the genes, we also have societal pressure to consume certain types of food in certain quantities, because eating can be a social event as well. In that regard, it is society's fault, not the individual's fault. With all of the anti-fat hate speech in the media today, is it really any surprise that so many people have health problems because they fear that they are fat or will become fat and resort to regurgitation or starving themselves to avoid the stigma associated with being fat in our intolerant society?

It's really hard to tell if you are being sarcastic, but for the sake of humanity I hope you are.
 

Bateluer

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You should learn to be more sensitive and open minded to others. It is not a person's fault that he or she is fat, it is predominantly their genes. One cannot chose their metabolism genes anymore than they can chose their race. Beyond the genes, we also have societal pressure to consume certain types of food in certain quantities, because eating can be a social event as well. In that regard, it is society's fault, not the individual's fault. With all of the anti-fat hate speech in the media today, is it really any surprise that so many people have health problems because they fear that they are fat or will become fat and resort to regurgitation or starving themselves to avoid the stigma associated with being fat in our intolerant society?

It's really hard to tell if you are being sarcastic, but for the sake of humanity I hope you are.

I really hope Schadenfroh is being sarcastic too. There's so much 'anti-fat' speech in the media today because the United States, along with other 1st world nations, is morbidly obese, and getting more obese. Many people don't eat right, don't exercise at all, have no idea what healthy food is, or how to prepare it. Obese and overweight people often look at themselves as being a normal weight. This is a problem. Hiding and sugarcoating it does not make it go away, it will make it worse.

You think its going to be a strain on the medical&retirement funds when the Baby Boomers retire? Wait until 250 million obese lard asses need medical care.
 

ichy

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A recent Reflections participant, Vanderbilt senior Julie Lucas has made a pact with her roommate to hold each other accountable for fat talk. "A lot of times I say, 'I need to go on a run,' and she says, 'No, you want to go on a run,' " says Lucas. "It's an attitude change."

WTF? I never WANT to go for a run, I do it because rationally I know it's good for me and because I don't want to turn into a fat blob. Unlike some of the fat nazis on here I freely admit that my weight & fitness are far from perfect, but this "fat acceptance" crap is appalling.
 

Bateluer

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WTF? I never WANT to go for a run, I do it because rationally I know it's good for me and because I don't want to turn into a fat blob. Unlike some of the fat nazis on here I freely admit that my weight & fitness are far from perfect, but this "fat acceptance" crap is appalling.

Exercise should be fun, I enjoy running. Not everyone does. If you don't like running, there's other cardio activities you can enjoy, all of which are better than sitting on the couch and repeating in the mirror that your obese body is acceptable.

Fat Acceptance really does make me ill.
 

PricklyPete

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You should learn to be more sensitive and open minded to others. It is not a person's fault that he or she is fat, it is predominantly their genes. One cannot chose their metabolism genes anymore than they can chose their race. Beyond the genes, we also have societal pressure to consume certain types of food in certain quantities, because eating can be a social event as well. In that regard, it is society's fault, not the individual's fault. With all of the anti-fat hate speech in the media today, is it really any surprise that so many people have health problems because they fear that they are fat or will become fat and resort to regurgitation or starving themselves to avoid the stigma associated with being fat in our intolerant society?

I couldn't disagree with you more. People CHOOSE very poor lifestyles and consumption habits in the US and many other first world countries. This trend has gotten particularly bad in the the last 30 years. Our obesity rates are sky-rocketing...and no, our "genes" are not changing at that rate... lazy ass people with horrible diets are what is causing that change.
 

ichy

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Exercise should be fun, I enjoy running. Not everyone does. If you don't like running, there's other cardio activities you can enjoy, all of which are better than sitting on the couch and repeating in the mirror that your obese body is acceptable.

I'd rather play sports than just go running, but often that simply isn't an option. I also play in an indoor soccer league, so going running is really the only good way to improve my fitness for that.
 

Perknose

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Guys, Schadenfroh was most definitely being sarcastic. Rather well played, too! :D
 
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Tommy: Does this suit make me look fat?
Richard Hayden: No, your face does.
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bfdd

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I don't run, I hate running and I won't do it to stay in shape. Ride a bike though? Sure.
 

Moonbeam

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I thought he was channeling Moonie there :)

For you, Drako:

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"Coming soon to a college campus near you: a ban on "fat talk." O.K., so the ban is voluntary — and temporary — but it's designed to get students to think about the psychological effect of even seemingly innocuous comments like "Omigosh, you look so good — have you lost weight?" "
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M: I think this is mainly directed at women students who seem to suffer the most from this fat talk thingi, no? I would think, therefore, that any ideas directed at young women would elicit the typical imbecilic juvenile sexually insecure comments typical of young men, with their is-it-long-enough thingi, in response, like the barking of young seals at an old bulls harem. Am I too fat, is my dick long enough, all the same thing.

Let me put you at psychological ease. Size matters and even a fat virgin will know it.

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Starting Oct. 18, thousands of young adults on at least 35 campuses will participate in Fat Talk Free Week, a national campaign to eliminate language that is damaging to students' body image. The initiative's motto: "Friends don't let friends fat-talk." Participants learn, for example, that when a gal pal asks if those jeans make her butt look big, the best answer may be to persuade her not to ask the question at all.
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M: You're too late, friends of Lordaeron, the plague has already escaped. Therapies of this kind, have effectiveness only superficially, but superficially is still better than nothing. The concern about image and dick length are really manifestations of self-hate, which we caught before we could think.

This is really about trying to stop people who already feel hurt by words to stop using the words. It cuts down on the number of times the negative feelings are triggered but does not change the feeling itself. It requires massive therapy and self understanding to uproot what is deeply buried, buried deeper than you can possibly imagine.

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The anti-fat-talk campaign is designed first to help people identify the "thin ideal" — essentially a pre-pubescent girl's body, plus boobs — that is perpetuated by the media and pop culture, and then learn how to reject it in favor of a healthier, more realistic attitude.

But this is an uphill battle, coming at a time not only when more than one college is giving academic credit for weight-loss classes, but also when an alumna of Stephens College is offering to donate $1 million to the Missouri women's school if its faculty and staff drop a total of 250 lb. by Jan. 1. "Body image right now is down the flusher for so many young people," says Lynn Grefe, president of the National Eating Disorders Association, which estimates that nearly 10 million women in the U.S. suffer from anorexia or bulimia.
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M: How many times have I told you, we become what we fear. If you fear that being fat will make you hate yourself, your self hate will make you fat just so you can because we are driven like moths to circle the flame that burned our real self respect. We are driven to feel our trauma without becoming conscious of it. It is the centripetal force of our being, the desire to destroy ourself because of our self hate.

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The third annual Fat Talk Free Week is based on a program that was piloted at San Antonio's Trinity University. Since 2008, the Reflections Body Image Program — developed by Carolyn Becker, an associate professor of psychology at Trinity, that school's sororities and the national Delta Delta Delta fraternity — has been introduced on more than 50 campuses. Sample exercise: Stand in front of a mirror in as little clothing as you feel comfortable wearing. Then write down only positive things about yourself. "It's really hard for women to do," says Becker. "Women are used to standing in front of the mirror and trashing themselves."
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M: It is hard for folk who hate themselves and don't know it to complement themselves because praise brings up the feeling that the praise is a sham, that you fooled somebody, that they are too stupid to see how worthless you are, or actually how worthless you feel.

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The program's philosophy is based on research by Eric Stice, a clinical psychologist at Oregon Research Institute, who found the most effective way to prevent eating disorders is to enlist the theory of cognitive dissonance. As humans, we tend to align our beliefs and our actions; helping young women speak and act against the thin ideal creates an uncomfortable psychological state that leads to a change in beliefs. In a 2008 study published in the Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychology, Stice reported a 60% reduction in the risk of developing eating disorders for female high school and college students who spent just three hours critiquing the thin ideal; the risk in reduction persisted over a three-year follow-up.
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M: Fabulous, use self hate to cure self hate. 'You will hate yourself if you are thin.' Personally, I would recommend detachment from the fat thin issue. Your real self is god. Know that and the body isn't an issue. Love yourself and you will know what emphasis to focus on your body. Stop seeking self worth in the eyes of others. They are just vacuum cleaners seeking the same from you. Get off that tread mill and go for a walk.

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"It's one thing to have nice ads that say, 'Feel good about yourself,' but what they're doing at Reflections is really groundbreaking," says Grefe.

After participating in the program, which consists of two two-hour sessions, a Rutgers sorority removed all the scales in its bathroom so women would stop hopping from one to the next to see which scale yielded the lowest weight. The University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign intends to implement the program at sororities campus-wide. And Tri Delta offers the curriculum to its 138 collegiate chapters in the U.S. and Canada, plus any sorority or campus women's group that expresses interest.

A recent Reflections participant, Vanderbilt senior Julie Lucas has made a pact with her roommate to hold each other accountable for fat talk. "A lot of times I say, 'I need to go on a run,' and she says, 'No, you want to go on a run,' " says Lucas. "It's an attitude change."
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It's an attitude change that works on a tiny problem that is still none the less real and huge in a limited dimension. It treats a symptom of a deeper problem that the researchers themselves are afraid to face. We all hate ourselves. Nobody is going to tackle that one so when you fix one symptom of self hate another will pop up in its place.

There is only one real sickness in the world and it's the illusionary belief there is something wrong with you. Your tiny dick doesn't matter to God who invented love handles.

"Relax and be happy. I am the divinely beloved who loves you more than you can possibly ever love yourselves."
 

Doboji

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http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2025345,00.html



As a runner and athlete myself, this last paragraph strikes a nerve. People who exercise regularly usually make it part of their day. Its as natural as breathing and to us, it needs to be done. Period. And I don't think we should be encouraging people to exercise less. I'd rather Miss. Lucas respond to her roommate with 'Great, I'll join you.'

Laziness is a hard combatant to fight, and once you give it an inch, it takes a mile. Then two miles.

According to the article, fat talk also includes compliments like 'You look good, have you lost weight?' too.

See the problem is there are two sides of the "fat" issue.

1. Obesity is a huge epidemic in America and the world.

2. Obession with weight is also a big problem.. especially among college aged females.

The article is referring to the second issue.
 

Doboji

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I couldn't disagree with you more. People CHOOSE very poor lifestyles and consumption habits in the US and many other first world countries. This trend has gotten particularly bad in the the last 30 years. Our obesity rates are sky-rocketing...and no, our "genes" are not changing at that rate... lazy ass people with horrible diets are what is causing that change.

It's more than people being lazy. It's a pretty drastic lifestyle chance in the way we work, eat and live.
 

shortylickens

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You should learn to be more sensitive and open minded to others. It is not a person's fault that he or she is fat, it is predominantly their genes. One cannot chose their metabolism genes anymore than they can chose their race. Beyond the genes, we also have societal pressure to consume certain types of food in certain quantities, because eating can be a social event as well. In that regard, it is society's fault, not the individual's fault. With all of the anti-fat hate speech in the media today, is it really any surprise that so many people have health problems because they fear that they are fat or will become fat and resort to regurgitation or starving themselves to avoid the stigma associated with being fat in our intolerant society?

Funny how all those genetically fat people got skinny in boot camp.

Sorry, too much caffeine.
 
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Doboji

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Funny how all those genetically fat people got skinny in boot camp.

FUCK FAT PEOPLE!
AND FUCK FAT DEFENDERS IN THEIR BUTTS!

FUCK SKINNY PEOPLE!
AND FUCK SKINNY CONDEMNERS OF FAT PEOPLE IN THEIR BUTTS! (but be careful not to hurt yourself on their boney asses.)
 

MiniDoom

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I guarantee if you take away a fat mans car and give him only a bike to use for a year, he will get skinny.