9th Court rules Trump cannot divert military funds for the great wall

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TheVrolok

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Really? Their are two courts that get it wrong more often. Any random person on the street would do better by flipping a coin.
This isn't a random conversation on the street between random people. Context matters. You were trying to make an argument in a thread dedicated to a specific decision by a specific court, the bar is higher.
 

SMOGZINN

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Really? Their are two courts that get it wrong more often. Any random person on the street would do better by flipping a coin.
Not really, you have to remember that SCOTUS turns down way more cases then it takes. It really only takes cases that are likely to be over turned, or where two circuits ruled contradictory rulings in which case one of them is getting overturned.
 

SMOGZINN

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You are welcome.

They have a horrible record of turnovers.
Actually, we don't know that either. To know that we would have to know what percentage of it's cases SCOTUS hears at all.
Just as an example, if SCOTUS only chooses to hear 1% of all cases it decides, and overturn 79% of them, then it would still be better then another circuit that SCOTUS hears 20% of their cases and overturns 50% of them.
 

Greenman

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This isn't a random conversation on the street between random people. Context matters. You were trying to make an argument in a thread dedicated to a specific decision by a specific court, the bar is higher.
For you perhaps, I don't care all that much.
The ninth gets it wrong 79% of the time according to the article we're accepting as gospel. Flipping a coin would increase there accuracy. Be as pedantic as you like, my point still stands, it's good bet the decision will be reversed.
 

SMOGZINN

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For you perhaps, I don't care all that much.
The ninth gets it wrong 79% of the time according to the article we're accepting as gospel. Flipping a coin would increase there accuracy. Be as pedantic as you like, my point still stands, it's good bet the decision will be reversed.
A little more research shows that the ninth circuit heard 12,000 cases, and SCOTUS only overturned 9 of them. That means that it is only 99.99925% Accurate. Numbers are fun!

Edit: Durp, typed one to many nines in that number. Fixed now.
 

TheVrolok

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For you perhaps, I don't care all that much.
The ninth gets it wrong 79% of the time according to the article we're accepting as gospel. Flipping a coin would increase there accuracy. Be as pedantic as you like, my point still stands, it's good bet the decision will be reversed.

Ok, so now you're once again admitting you're just intellectually lazy. OK, I guess? Why argue at all if you're own disclaimer is, "don't take me seriously!"

You also clearly don't understand math, the SCOTUS overturns 79% of the decisions it reviews, which is actually not a direct comment on the overall accuracy of decisions made by the 9th circuit.

My preemptive guess, though, is that you" don't really care" that you're wrong, once again, here.

Edit: I see SMOGZINN did the math for you.
 
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nickqt

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For you perhaps, I don't care all that much.
The ninth gets it wrong 79% of the time according to the article we're accepting as gospel. Flipping a coin would increase there accuracy. Be as pedantic as you like, my point still stands, it's good bet the decision will be reversed.
Dogshit-tier analysis. Thanks for shitting by.
 
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ivwshane

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For you perhaps, I don't care all that much.
The ninth gets it wrong 79% of the time according to the article we're accepting as gospel. Flipping a coin would increase there accuracy. Be as pedantic as you like, my point still stands, it's good bet the decision will be reversed.

You said something wrong and then admitted to being wrong and now you are back doubling down on your original claim despite having new information?

It’s no longer ignorance at this point but rather pure stupidity.

You are complaining about the SC taking an infinitely small percentage of cases and using that to determine their overall record. That’s an even dumber comment than your original one.
 

sactoking

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"In our research, we found that the 9th Circuit has a higher-than-average reversal rate, but not the highest. "
There are twelve federal circuits so it is probable that somewhere around half of them will have a "higher-than-average reversal rate" unless there are severe outliers on either end of the spectrum skewing the arithmetic mean.
 

Moonbeam

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Hannity and ilk have the job of of providing seemingly rational even scientific sounding rationalizations to keep the conservative brain entrapped. The purpose isn't to provide factual information but a shortcut to confrontational bias. I think this is true for both sides of the aisle, but liberals are better equipped to avoid it or see their way out of it when additional information is acquired. The reason for this, as usual, is the enlarged right amygdala and smaller cingulate found in self confessed conservative and the opposite in liberal brains when scanned. Conservatives are simply more motivated to deny reality than liberals because they are less able to avoid feeling fear when their ego beliefs are challenged. The right amygdala is the brain structure of fear and the cingulate the the part that suppresses fear so the reasoning part of the brain can think.

A culture that can harmonize these two attitudes, liberal and conservative, having both present and in balance rather than at war, will survive optimally, in my opinion.
 

pcgeek11

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There are twelve federal circuits so it is probable that somewhere around half of them will have a "higher-than-average reversal rate" unless there are severe outliers on either end of the spectrum skewing the arithmetic mean.


OK
 

woolfe9998

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Actually, we don't know that either. To know that we would have to know what percentage of it's cases SCOTUS hears at all.
Just as an example, if SCOTUS only chooses to hear 1% of all cases it decides, and overturn 79% of them, then it would still be better then another circuit that SCOTUS hears 20% of their cases and overturns 50% of them.

IIRC SCOTUS hears about 1-2% of appellate cases. In some there is no request for cert. Vast majority have cert denied.
 

woolfe9998

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My bad. Not sure where I herd that, but if it's wrong it's wrong.

Edit: So the ninth is overturned 79% of the time, which makes them number three. They get it right 1 out of five times, great job.

Average is 65% reversal. Most cases which are heard are reversed, because that is why they took the case to begin with.

So far as 1 in 5, that's gotta be some kind of joke. They're getting reversed more like 1 time per 1000 cases. 99% of cert requests are denied, which implies the SCOTUS sees nothing wrong with the ruling.
 
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TheVrolok

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You can feel anyway you like, snowflake.

I don't opine with falsehoods, so your opinion of my opinion is irrelevant.

You, on the other hand, just say fact-checkably wrong statements as opinions and scurry away into a safe space afterwards.

Keep 'em coming.
These guys wear wilful ignorance as a badge of courage. The dumber the braver. Sad man, sad.