9800GX2-->"Up to a 90% performance increase over the...

[thilanliyan]

http://i53.photobucket.com/alb...eforce9800gx2frzq7.jpg
Credit to Eastcoasthandle at XS.

Lol it better be like 5 times as fast as a 8600GTS let alone a 90% improvement.

Lets hope it's a typo.

 

[mwmorph]

Hopefully, otherwise it'd be as fast as a single 8800GTS 640mb and significantly slower than a GTX.

 

[angry hampster]

I seriously hope that's supposed to be 8800GTS and not 8600. The 8800GT is 90% faster than the 8600GTS in many games.

 

[lookouthere]

or 9 times better than 8600GTS?

 

[Borealis7]

190% of 0 is still 0.

and 90% faster in what? games? 3DMark06? 110m hurdles for women?

i sure hope its a typo.

 

[biostud]

it also says "add a 2nd GPU to double your graphics power" .... I thought the 9800GX2 already had two GPU's

 

[Tbolo]

In all the benchmarks I have seen it is right there neck and neck with the 8800GTX Ultra and just beating it in some.

 

[JPB]

Geforce 9800 GX2 will launch in the week of 18th of March and in the US it will cost $599 while in Europe we would averagely have to pay ?549+VAT.


The new card might be stuck with 600MHz core and no overclocking will be allowed. At the same time some partners are telling Fudzilla that despite Nvidia they might overclock.

The card is definitely be the fastest graphics thing out there, but at the same time it will be the hottest, literally. As long as it scores well, we won?t mind much.

US it will cost $599

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Tbolo
In all the benchmarks I have seen it is right there neck and neck with the 8800GTX Ultra and just beating it in some.

The problem with this is that unless you have a signed NDA with NVIDIA you haven't seen any benchmarks for this other than 3DMark06.

I have seen benchmarks for this card, I disagree with you.

 

[JAG87]

Originally posted by: nRollo

Originally posted by: Tbolo
In all the benchmarks I have seen it is right there neck and neck with the 8800GTX Ultra and just beating it in some.

The problem with this is that unless you have a signed NDA with NVIDIA you haven't seen any benchmarks for this other than 3DMark06.

I have seen benchmarks for this card, I disagree with you.

Of course you do, but who cares.

 

[Cheex]

Maybe they mean 90% faster than the 8600GTS in SLI......but even then, that would be disappointing.

 

[zixxer]

I'm really frustrated at nvidia's naming scheme. They need to pick a way of determining the model of cards and stick with it. This card should be an 8950...

 

[Tempered81]

Originally posted by: JAG87

Originally posted by: nRollo

Originally posted by: Tbolo
In all the benchmarks I have seen it is right there neck and neck with the 8800GTX Ultra and just beating it in some.

The problem with this is that unless you have a signed NDA with NVIDIA you haven't seen any benchmarks for this other than 3DMark06.

I have seen benchmarks for this card, I disagree with you.

Of course you do, but who cares.

hahahah

But he was right about 9600GT sli being a power-house for $298 bucks.

 

[Tempered81]

look, this card = 2 8800gts or 8800gt.

just like 3870x2 = 2 3870's


i bet the "90% faster than a Geforce 8600gts" is supposed to read 8800gts. Is a 8600GTS a even a real product?

 

[Hauk]

Originally posted by: JPB
Geforce 9800 GX2 will launch in the week of 18th of March and in the US it will cost $599 while in Europe we would averagely have to pay ?549+VAT.


The new card might be stuck with 600MHz core and no overclocking will be allowed. At the same time some partners are telling Fudzilla that despite Nvidia they might overclock.

The card is definitely be the fastest graphics thing out there, but at the same time it will be the hottest, literally. As long as it scores well, we won?t mind much.

US it will cost $599

Good info. I had a hunch OC overhead was an issue. Explains why the cores/shaders are clocked so low. Heat constraints.

A solid pass on this one...

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: jaredpace
Is a 8600GTS a even a real product?

Yes it is.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: SteelSix

Originally posted by: JPB
Geforce 9800 GX2 will launch in the week of 18th of March and in the US it will cost $599 while in Europe we would averagely have to pay ?549+VAT.


The new card might be stuck with 600MHz core and no overclocking will be allowed. At the same time some partners are telling Fudzilla that despite Nvidia they might overclock.

The card is definitely be the fastest graphics thing out there, but at the same time it will be the hottest, literally. As long as it scores well, we won?t mind much.

US it will cost $599

Good info. I had a hunch OC overhead was an issue. Explains why the cores/shaders are clocked so low. Heat constraints.

A solid pass on this one...

really .. my original guess was right .. sucks to be right, sometimes
:Q

nvidia better have some *solid* performance .. $600 hints to me to probably wait for r700 ... i am not "suffering" .. but i always want [bang-for-buck] better ... letsee, it would now cost me $600-$350=$250 ... i need a +50% potential performance increase to justify my curiosity

same thing happens all the time with nvidia, imo ... they make a top card and then *Stick* you in the ass .. er, pocketbook
--that is the *privilege* you pay for saying i have the "fastest"
- is it worth it? ...

i'd say ... 'yes', 'no', AND 'sometimes' - it didn't turn out so well for 7900GTX owners ... and i hate to have to agonize over decisions that AMD makes SO easy and affordable for me ... they are the "cheap alternative" - imo

nvidia has only recently "caught" onto bargain pricing in the midrange .. maybe they will really think this through .. i AM turned-off by what many consider to be 'gouging' for their "status" products

they may make a few extra bucks in the short term but they are creating future customers for their rivals by practices ... and i think nvidia really needs to think long-term and customer loyalty ,,, i think they are losing it

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: apoppin

really .. my original guess was right .. sucks to be right, sometimes
:Q

nvidia better have some *solid* performance .. $600 hints to me to probably wait for r700 ... i am not "suffering" .. but i always want [bang-for-buck] better ... letsee, it would now cost me $600-$350=$250 ... i need a +50% potential performance increase to justify my curiosity

I think the only valid question here is whether or not a stock clocked 9800GX2 significantly outperforms an OCd 3870X2. If it does, than things like "scaling" and "OCing" become pretty much irrelevant- the card justifies it's price being the highest performing single slot solution.

Originally posted by: apoppin

same thing happens all the time with nvidia, imo ... they make a top card and then *Stick* you in the ass .. er, pocketbook
--that is the *privilege* you pay for saying i have the "fastest"
- is it worth it? ...

I guess you feel the same way about AMD then if the R700 launches when it's supposed to, a few months after the 3870X2? And you must have felt the same when the X1900 launched 3 months after the X1800 and blew it away.
Your argument is specious- a person pays for what is in the market the day they buy, not based on what upcoming parts will be or will cost. Always been that way, always will be that way.

Originally posted by: apoppin

i'd say ... 'yes', 'no', AND 'sometimes' - it didn't turn out so well for 7900GTX owners ... and i hate to have to agonize over decisions that AMD makes SO easy and affordable for me ... they are the "cheap alternative" - imo

I'd say NVIDIA competes very well AMD on a price/performance scale. 9600GTs offer 95% of 3870 and cost a little less, 8800GTs offer 115% of the performance and cost a little more. 3870X2s offer sometimes more, sometimes less performance than a 8800GTX, and cost more. 9800GX2s won't have any competition, as such, they'll cost more. Getting the absolute best always commands a premium- if AMD had it, you can bet they'd be charging for it.

Originally posted by: apoppin

nvidia has only recently "caught" onto bargain pricing in the midrange .. maybe they will really think this through .. i AM turned-off by what many consider to be 'gouging' for their "status" products

The bargain pricing is trying to put their competitor out of business, like every company in the world does. The status pricing is charging most for best, like every company in the world does. No free lunch Apoppin- companies are in money to crush their competition flat, and get as much as they can out of their clients. AMD would be doing the same if they could (e.g. FX series cpu in days gone by, 9700Pro/X800XT PE/X1900XTX launch price)

Originally posted by: apoppin

they may make a few extra bucks in the short term but they are creating future customers for their rivals by practices ... and i think nvidia really needs to think long-term and customer loyalty ,,, i think they are losing it

You may think they are losing it, but their record setting profits and huge market share every quarter would seem to disprove your theory.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: JAG87

Originally posted by: nRollo

Originally posted by: Tbolo
In all the benchmarks I have seen it is right there neck and neck with the 8800GTX Ultra and just beating it in some.

The problem with this is that unless you have a signed NDA with NVIDIA you haven't seen any benchmarks for this other than 3DMark06.

I have seen benchmarks for this card, I disagree with you.

Of course you do, but who cares.

Anyone who hasn't seen the benches like I have should care if they're considering buying a high end card now Jag.

Do you have something more useful to bring to the discussion than I did from your own personal knowledge of the 9800GX2? Please, share it.

Otherwise your post looks OT and like a personal attack, or trying to start a flame war to me.

I just didn't want buyers to be misinformed by inaccurate information about 9800GX2 performance, so I felt I should correct it.

Peace and good fortune be with you Jag!
:beer:

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: nRollo

I just didn't want buyers to be misinformed by inaccurate information about 9800GX2 performance, so I felt I should correct it.

Except that you are not correcting it. You are just being vague like a typical PR person. I don't put any stock into it. I am sure when it comes out, you will cherry pick benchmarks like a typical PR move, and ommit results where it doesn't do so hot. But the fact remains that you didn't correct this information, you are just insinuating that it will perform better. However, that breaks the spirit of the NDA just as much as the letter of it.

 

[surfsatwerk]

Regardless of nRollo's association with Nvidia, I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that we wait to see "real" benchmarks before passing judgment on the 9800GX2.

Personally I thought, just judging by the specs, the 9600 would have less than stellar performance.

http://www.guru3d.com/index.php?page=vga_charts

For the price the card performs, imo, quite well and I'm excited to see what the rest of the nine series has to offer.

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
Regardless of nRollo's association with Nvidia, I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that we wait to see "real" benchmarks before passing judgment on the 9800GX2.

Personally I thought, just judging by the specs, the 9600 would have less than stellar performance.

http://www.guru3d.com/index.php?page=vga_charts

For the price the card performs, imo, quite well and I'm excited to see what the rest of the nine series has to offer.

We have 'real' benchmarks already. However, we do not have 'official' benchmarks with a proper, updated driver. So I do agree with you. But I don't think Rollo provided anything different than nVidia PR press releases. The fact remains no one has information on how this will perform with the release driver sets.

Will it outperform a 3870x2? Probably by a little bit, but enough to justify a 50% price premium? That is iffy.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
Regardless of nRollo's association with Nvidia, I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that we wait to see "real" benchmarks before passing judgment on the 9800GX2.

Personally I thought, just judging by the specs, the 9600 would have less than stellar performance.

http://www.guru3d.com/index.php?page=vga_charts

For the price the card performs, imo, quite well and I'm excited to see what the rest of the nine series has to offer.

We have 'real' benchmarks already. However, we do not have 'official' benchmarks with a proper, updated driver. So I do agree with you. But I don't think Rollo provided anything different than nVidia PR press releases. The fact remains no one has information on how this will perform with the release driver sets.

Will it outperform a 3870x2? Probably by a little bit, but enough to justify a 50% price premium? That is iffy.

What "real" benchmarks? Link?

 

[Blacklash]

My first question would be does the GX2 work properly in titles where the X2 does not?

The problem with Crossfire, including on board Crossfire on the X2, is in some games it causes a horrid performance hit that yields performance far less than a single card. Titles I am aware of this occurs in; SupCom, Gothic 3, NWN2, Need for Speed: Pro Street, WiC on the DX10 path with AA, Lost Planet: Extreme Condition, Tomb Raider: Legend, Hitman: Blood Money, Hellgate: London, and Jericho with edge smoothing active.

If the GX2 does perform properly in more titles that is a big plus IMO. If it behaves the same as the X2 in the above titles and only offers about +10% in performance then the X2 for a lower price would be more appealing.

We should have some real reviews later this month. I wouldn't judge the card before official reviews are out.

 

[Mr Fox]

Originally posted by: nRollo


You may think they are losing it, but their record setting profits and huge market share every quarter would seem to disprove your theory.

The record setting profits are relative to yourself.

The dividends that the oil company's are paying their stockholders, make your Profits seem like chump change, if you look at it in proper scale.


AMD was in this Same Boat, Three Years Ago !!


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