9800GTX whoops an 8800Ultra

[Munky]

So disappointing... the people who bought a 8800gtx in Nov. 2006 really got their money's worth by now. Same thing for those who got a 8800gt last November.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
we've known this was coming for weeks. 9800gtx is an OC 8800gts 512 that can run tri-sli. it's still better than being stuck with a 9800gx2 imho. Just ask rollo which parts HE requested...

All of them? ...


the old HW will make excellent Christmas presents
:gift:

again we've known very little ... let me summarize what we DO know:

we do know it will be faster than 8800ultra, faster than X2 and much slower than GT200

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
That is horrible performance for a 'next' gen card. Oh well, at least the price of these things are dropping lower and lower... GT200 is what I am waiting for, or R700.

I agree. It doesn't look very good at all to be honest. Especially considering what its going to cost.

 

[bryanW1995]

ok, we're not being fair to nvidia here. it's entirely possible that the 9800gx2 will be 50% faster than 3870x2 and cost $499.

ok, maybe I'm being a little bit optimistic. it's entirely possible that the 9800gx2 will be 50% faster than 3870x2 OR cost $499. The smart money is on 25% faster and $599, unfortunately

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
ok, we're not being fair to nvidia here. it's entirely possible that the 9800gx2 will be 50% faster than 3870x2 and cost $499.

ok, maybe I'm being a little bit optimistic. it's entirely possible that the 9800gx2 will be 50% faster than 3870x2 OR cost $499. The smart money is on 25% faster and $599, unfortunately

Would you believe ...

. . . +33% faster and $550?

. . . sorry about that, Chief

 

[Tempered81]

gx2 is mildly better than a x2 and costs 600 bucks or more. Its on froogle already. Driver complications, heat issues, and a sandwich solution on two pcbs is a no-brainer "pass". the only thing that keeps this afloat is it's a single slot performance king capable of giving sli to intel chipsets. In all actuality it is a crippled 8800gts sli setup (which in itself is not a success in 100% of games). The biggest advantage to Nvidia is the marketing, pr, hype, advertising, rumor mill, and performance prospect that allow them a $600 price point. Younger gamers with fat wallets will no doubt be jumping on this (even if 2 x 8800gts outperforms it). People sticking to their intel boards and wanting sli performance can get it if they have the funds.

2 9600gt in sli would match this pretty well in most situations if you have an nvidia board. $298 vs. $608. It is very similar to the last dual pcb 7950gx2 card that was a big upset.

Please we need some competition. Doesn't anyone see another R300 on the horizon amidst this eerie silence? That would be so awesome. Or, heck, Nvidia just drop us the massive full featured g92, or the gt200 without using the planned release to snub competition.

Dont milk people for a garbage sandwich that barely bests ATI's flagship, just to say, "we now have the flagship again, let the milking commence"

 

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles

Originally posted by: zephyrprime
Man, they should have named the g92 the 8900 series instead of jumping to the 9xxx numbering regime because the performance doesn't justify a whole new number series name. It seems like the REAL next generation card is the 9600gt oddly enough. Will there be a 128 shader version of the g94 someday? Only something like that would yield big performance improvements.

The G94 is derived from the G92, the G92 is the 128 shader version of the G94 - or rather the G94 is the 64 shader version of the G92...the only reason the 9600GT performs anywhere near the 8800GT is because the core clocks are so much higher. Overclock the 8800GT/GTS and the 9600GT is clearly an inferior part.

I seriously doubt it's the same architecture at all. Where are you getting your information from?

The 9600GT has identical clocks to the 8800GTS. 650/1625. The 8800GT is 600/1500. Not really a difference at all.

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles

Originally posted by: zephyrprime
Man, they should have named the g92 the 8900 series instead of jumping to the 9xxx numbering regime because the performance doesn't justify a whole new number series name. It seems like the REAL next generation card is the 9600gt oddly enough. Will there be a 128 shader version of the g94 someday? Only something like that would yield big performance improvements.

The G94 is derived from the G92, the G92 is the 128 shader version of the G94 - or rather the G94 is the 64 shader version of the G92...the only reason the 9600GT performs anywhere near the 8800GT is because the core clocks are so much higher. Overclock the 8800GT/GTS and the 9600GT is clearly an inferior part.

I seriously doubt it's the same architecture at all. Where are you getting your information from?

The 9600GT has identical clocks to the 8800GTS. 650/1625. The 8800GT is 600/1500. Not really a difference at all.

I don't doubt it's the same architecture. I firmly believe the g92 cards are crippled by the memory system, which is inferior to the older g80 cards. In many high-rez benches where the 9600gt comes close to the 8800gt(s), all the newer cards still fall behind the older 8800gtx and ultra, even though on paper the g92 has more shader and texturing power than the g80.

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
ok, we're not being fair to nvidia here. it's entirely possible that the 9800gx2 will be 50% faster than 3870x2 and cost $499.

ok, maybe I'm being a little bit optimistic. it's entirely possible that the 9800gx2 will be 50% faster than 3870x2 OR cost $499. The smart money is on 25% faster and $599, unfortunately

Would you believe ...

. . . +33% faster and $550?

. . . sorry about that, Chief

no, I wouldn't believe it. I do hope that you buy it and benchmark the hell out of it, however you'll probably be able to break out of it, too, if the rumors of limited availability prove true.

a much more pressing problem for me is this: what happens to all of rollo's free hardware when it's time to upgrade? does it go to charity? starving kids in africa? raul castro? mars? I for one vote that rollo make a list of the top 100 posters to the AT video card forums and draw 3 names out of a hat, giving one of his old cards to each person drawn. who's with me?

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
ok, we're not being fair to nvidia here. it's entirely possible that the 9800gx2 will be 50% faster than 3870x2 and cost $499.

ok, maybe I'm being a little bit optimistic. it's entirely possible that the 9800gx2 will be 50% faster than 3870x2 OR cost $499. The smart money is on 25% faster and $599, unfortunately

Would you believe ...

. . . +33% faster and $550?

. . . sorry about that, Chief

no, I wouldn't believe it. I do hope that you buy it and benchmark the hell out of it, however you'll probably be able to break out of it, too, if the rumors of limited availability prove true.

a much more pressing problem for me is this: what happens to all of rollo's free hardware when it's time to upgrade? does it go to charity? starving kids in africa? raul castro? mars? I for one vote that rollo make a list of the top 100 posters to the AT video card forums and draw 3 names out of a hat, giving one of his old cards to each person drawn. who's with me?

OK .. well then, would you believe ...

+29% faster and $575?


perhaps you'd go for +27% faster and $595?

just remember to blow the Polonium dust off the ones that go to the AMD guys first - before installing it in your rigs .. i hear it is a little rough on the lungs!
:Q

Polonium isn't even in the PR manual .. it's just the back page 'errata' .. one of those "undocumented benefits" of passing on older HW to not so good "friends" - like Link Boost O/C'ing 9600GT on PCIe.


what rumors of limited availabilty? ... *i* started that one - right here!
- so i could make a killing *reselling* them the very next day on E-bay
:laugh:

 

[Dadofamunky]

Originally posted by: taltamir
http://64.233.179.104/translat...ls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US

the new king is here. Everyone was worried that, being G92 based, the new 9800GTX will still underperform. But it seems there is finally a single card that can beat the 8800 ultra.
And now with tri sli and lower power and heat then the 8800 ultra.

Yigghhh. I sure hope that Chinese site didn't shove a worm onto my laptop. Thanks, now I have to runNorton Utilities to make sure. Appreciate it. Sorry, i call BS. Don't bother posting things anymore unless they a) contain relevant information; b) are from a reputable source; c) don't exaggerate the results. :thumbsdown:

 

[geokilla]

Well it's a good upgrade for those that are using a graphics card similar to mine, but it all comes down to price and availability. I'd get the 8800GT over the 9800GTX any day if performance increase aren't whopping.

 

[theprodigalrebel]

I clicked but I get a Whooping Not Found error.

 

[bryanW1995]

8800gt is so incredibly cheap right now that it's unbelievably difficult to justify ANYTHING else over $150. Frankly, unless 9800gtx somehow delivers something new and improved, I don't see that situation changing until r700 comes out.

 

[dasracht]

Originally posted by: theprodigalrebel
I clicked but I get a Whooping Not Found error.

lol, that's pretty good

 

[Hauk]

Considering performance is what it is, would it be silly to step-up from a G92 GTS running very nicely at 740/1835/2000? $300 step-up bucks good until May..

 

[bryanW1995]

9800gtx won't be out until apr 3 I believe, but based upon the rumored specs your 8800gts 512 with that OC will stomp a stock 9800gtx. Your only choices are: 1. go for 9800gx2 , or 2. hope that 9800gtx has some cool new features that aren't available anywhere else or on any other card. One seems like a bad idea and 2 seems a faint hope at this point.

 

[Rusin]

Well GTX's release date is March 25th.

 

[djnsmith7]

Originally posted by: Rusin
Well GTX's release date is March 25th.

According to which source?

 

[Puffnstuff]

I'm actually considering going with the step up. I could step up my 8800gt and put the gts's in my other two machines. I'm truly pondering doing this to stay with single card solutions. SLI has a weird glimmer when playing source games that hasn't been addressed in the drivers yet.

 

[drum]

Originally posted by: CurseTheSky
And I thought it would only be six months before I regretted the money I spend on my 8800GTX.

It's not a paperweight yet!

I bought mine almost exactly a year ago, turned out really well for me.