9800 PRO & NV35

[chilled]

Xbitlabs reports the 9800 is a little delayed until April, with the 9600 a bit more, appearing in May.

VR Zone says the NV35 (made by IBM) should also appear in May!

Lets hope its true - we need some more competition in the gfx card market at the top end again
Now where can I pick up a cheap 9700Pro?!!

 

[AtomicDude512]

Nvidia's having IBM fabbing the FX's will help a great deal I think...

 

[thorin]

<sarcasm>

OMG ATi is DELAYING their release, OMG WTF are they doing, why TF can't they get it right. ATi SUX!!!!!

</sarcasm>

Thorin

 

[GoodRevrnd]

Originally posted by: AtomicDude512
Nvidia's having IBM fabbing the FX's will help a great deal I think...

OMG nVidia is teh sux thar cards will be like teh deathstars and have clicking dustbuster fans of death!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11!1! LOLOLOLOL!!!

 

[Spicedaddy]

Originally posted by: thorin
<sarcasm>

OMG ATi is DELAYING their release, OMG WTF are they doing, why TF can't they get it right. ATi SUX!!!!!

</sarcasm>

Thorin

Yes, they are delaying it 8 months.

 

[GTaudiophile]

Wow, this latest IBM deal is really an nVidiots' wet dream come true!

I remember correctly, Xbit predicted that R350 would be a .13mu part and RV350 would be .15mu. We'll see if they're right next month.

 

[thorin]

I remember correctly, Xbit predicted that R350 would be a .13mu part and RV350 would be .15mu. We'll see if they're right next month.

Wasn't that announced on a ATi shareholder call or something?

Thorin

 

[BentValve]

I wonder why the 9800 is being delayed?

 

[thorin]

Originally posted by: BentValve
I wonder why the 9800 is being delayed?

Likely because ATi is having problems with the switch to 0.13um . (Design, Bugs, Yeilds, etc...... All the same crap nVidia just finished going through likely) But that's just a guess

Thorin

 

[SexyK]

Originally posted by: thorin

Originally posted by: BentValve
I wonder why the 9800 is being delayed?

Likely because ATi is having problems with the switch to 0.13um . (Design, Bugs, Yeilds, etc...... All the same crap nVidia just finished going through likely) But that's just a guess

Thorin

I thought the R350 was .15u and the RV350 was .13u. I could be wrong, but I'm 99% sure that's how its going to work.

 

[chilled]

Originally posted by: thorin

Originally posted by: BentValve
I wonder why the 9800 is being delayed?

Likely because ATi is having problems with the switch to 0.13um . (Design, Bugs, Yeilds, etc...... All the same crap nVidia just finished going through likely) But that's just a guess

Thorin

isn't the 9800 a 0.15um part?

 

[BentValve]

Originally posted by: thorin

Originally posted by: BentValve
I wonder why the 9800 is being delayed?

Likely because ATi is having problems with the switch to 0.13um . (Design, Bugs, Yeilds, etc...... All the same crap nVidia just finished going through likely) But that's just a guess

Thorin

Edit: ^^^^ beat me to it.

I thought the 9800 used a .15 chip?

 

[WyteWatt]

Originally posted by: thorin
<sarcasm>

OMG ATi is DELAYING their release, OMG WTF are they doing, why TF can't they get it right. ATi SUX!!!!!

</sarcasm>

Thorin

lol. I know its a joke.

 

[chizow]

Two words:

Paper Launch.

ATi "launched" their new DX9 parts to steal the thunder from nV's FX line launch. No big deal, a smart move on their part IMO. It was pretty obvious that would be the case since its been near a month since .13 micron RV350 parts were announced, yet we have yet to see benchmarks of reviewing samples.

The R350 on the other hand, is a .15 micron part. Its delays are probably attributed to the fact that ATi's poor R300 yields (40% quoted from their latest earnings/investor release) are making it difficult to handpick the best overclocking R300 chips to stamp with R350.

Chiz

 

[thorin]

Bentvalve & Chilled To be honest I can't remember, I know they said something on a conf call about how they were breaking up their 0.15um and 0.13um line ups but I don't recall the details anymore.

Thorin

 

[WyteWatt]

thorin don't you wish you could remember everything about computers? I know i do but i know its not possible

 

[thorin]

Originally posted by: imtim83
thorin don't you wish you could remember everything about computers? I know i do but i know its not possible

Heh yes and no. I seem to manage to retain an unusually high amount of basically useless information re: Cache configurations of CPUs, IPs of servers I haven't used in years, temps of my systems (home, work, friends, family), configs (home, work, friends, family). I suppose no one can remember absolutely everything, but I can't count the number of time that I surpised collegues spotuing off numbers from a spec page or review I read 2 years ago. And I'd probably remember the stuff about the ATi lineup if I cared but personally I'm still a nVidia fan, I try not to put ATi down since they ARE a Canadian company (and I'm Canadian), they are (or were until just recently) the underdog, competition is GREAT for the consumer etc.... But I still think their drivers have a good way to go yet to catch up to nVidia. I guess what it all boils down to is people retain what they're interested in and work with alot. If I was interested in purchasing a ATi product I'd probably know tonnes and tonnes of facts and useless information about the cards and company.

Thorin

 

[Spicedaddy]

Originally posted by: chizow
Two words:

Paper Launch.

ATi "launched" their new DX9 parts to steal the thunder from nV's FX line launch. No big deal, a smart move on their part IMO. It was pretty obvious that would be the case since its been near a month since .13 micron RV350 parts were announced, yet we have yet to see benchmarks of reviewing samples.

The R350 on the other hand, is a .15 micron part. Its delays are probably attributed to the fact that ATi's poor R300 yields (40% quoted from their latest earnings/investor release) are making it difficult to handpick the best overclocking R300 chips to stamp with R350.

Chiz

My god, the posts just keep getting worse every day...

If yields of the R300 are any indication, ATI could have yields in excess of 90% using TSMC's proven copper process, although without a low k dielectric.

 

[Budmantom]

There is no need for ATI to get the 9800pro out-the-door, when Nvidia realeses the nv35 they can release the 9800 till then it's all gravy.

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: Spicedaddy

My god, the posts just keep getting worse every day...

If yields of the R300 are any indication, ATI could have yields in excess of 90% using TSMC's proven copper process, although without a low k dielectric.

ATI's R350 in mass production

Should see Radeon 9900 Pro cards by end of March

By Jansen Ng: Tuesday 04 February 2003, 09:46

From the Inquirer. Figures.

What day is today anyways?

 

[Spicedaddy]

Well, do you have any documents supporting your 40%?


TSMC reported 70% yields on their .13u process, so I somehow doubt they're only getting 40% on the old .15u process.

Yields on Radeon 9700 Pro "excellent", ATI claims (and that was at the end of November...)

 

[Coherence]

If it has been delayed, that's not going to make OEMs who are already advertising "Systems now shipping with Radeon 9800 Pro" very happy. AlienWare is at least one; you can see that ad on the back of the latest MaximumPC.

 

[bluemax]

Originally posted by: chizow

The R350 on the other hand, is a .15 micron part. Its delays are probably attributed to the fact that ATi's poor R300 yields (40% quoted from their latest earnings/investor release) are making it difficult to handpick the best overclocking R300 chips to stamp with R350. Chiz

Here we go again. :frown:

for the LAST TIME, the R350 is not the same core as an R300, which means they're NOT just finding high-clock R300's to re-badge "R350".
Good grief...

And if you want to freak out about yields, you should check into nVidia's NV30! Talk about bad yields? There's a good reason for lots of cheap NV30 "by-product" cards coming out.

 

[AgaBoogaBoo]

I don't really think they need to push the 9800 Pro just yet. I think the 256mb of RAM can wait a little. I think they should have kept more time before the launch to simply give them time to get the parts delivered on time. Then they could even change it to an earlier date if they felt they were good to go. Anyone else feel this way?