"98, XP, Vista, Vienna+" - I need your Help!

bluesky787

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NOTE: My first post was frozen. I wasn't so much to troll as some had suggested as I need insight and comments on the situation I am in. So this time around I made the post much more "politically correct".



"98, XP, Vista, Vienna+" - I need your Help!

Hello World;

Can someone tell me what is the "intrinsic" difference between
Microsoft Windows 98 SE , XP Pro SP2 , Vista Ultimate, and the prototype that is Vienna+ ?

This may seem too simple a question, but what is the "core essential difference" between each of these OS's beyond and beneath the superficial differences that we are all accustomed too? A technical explanation would be most welcome.

One thing that forever puzzles me is this: Why did Microsoft release Windows 98 in 1998 and then just THREE years later release Windows XP in 2001. But from Windows XP to Vista we had to wait a whole SEVEN years. And yet, now Microsoft will release Vienna only 2 years after Vista?! What is the pattern here? Why did Microsoft wait so long to come up with Vista after XP was released, but in such a hurry to release Vienna right after Vista?

Vista to XP is a HUGE jump, a jump that many are not ready or willing to make for many different reasons. One would think that by 2009 just when the general public has barely gotten adjusted and comfortable with Vista Microsoft would be out of its mind to release Vienna and basically force/PUSH everyone to upgrade again, to another so called "faster"/"better"/"more secure"/ etc OS? And thus the headache begins even before the last one cleared? Why?? Why when XP works just fine should we make the transition to Vista only just to be told once again that its obsolete and we NEED TO HAVE the latest and greatest shiny brand new OS called Vienna from M$FT?


But onto may last and real reason for this posting... I believe IMHO that Vista is Windows ME (Mistake Edition) II Reincarnated... For this reason, I would like, to the maximum extent possible, to stay with Windows XP Professional SP2 & SP3 (?) for as long as possible, perhaps until 2014 when Microsoft Officially drops all support for XP. The only way I would switch to a new MSFT OS is if in 2009 Vienna turns out to be an elegant, efficient, powerful, intuitve and truly robust Operating System of the future. I generally like technology and advancement. I watch Star Trek. But The way Microsoft is going I have my doubts, but if ME->XP sets an precedent, perhaps, just perhaps Vienna would be the successor to XP whilst Vista is the successor to ME.

I am hoping in 2009 Microsoft will actually "WOW" us with a 'perfect' (near perfect) OS that is Vienna. Vista is really, well lets just say I don't like it much and my opinion of it isn't going to change because of a service pack or two, especially when Vienna is already on the horizon and we all know how fast MSFT sunsets a previous version of Windows the moment the next comes out so it can Pimp it out and whore the pockets of Billy Bill Gates and Ballmer.

Until then I am sticking tightly to Windows XP Professional SP2 PERFORMANCE EDITION. But the QUESTION is how? How can this be accomplished?

Will XP still be a valid OS in 2012? What if I buy a new computer in 2010 and want to reformat with an XP OEM? Will there still be support for older XP drivers from manufacturers in 2010/2012?? If DELL/HP/etc doesn't support anything XP by then, can I build my own PC to the specs where each and every hardware component is fully compatible with XP and drivers exists for XP?? I've heard some Bios manufactures are in bed with Microsoft and some newer Motherboards will only run on Vista?!? This is bad news for me... Is this going to be more and more of a prevailing trend?? Is there any way around this?

To conclude, I know the XP OS will always be around, so to speak, but will it still be a generally usable OS into 2010-2015 era? 98 is still around, but we don't generally consider it an usable OS even for daily use purposes anymore. Especially if I buy a new computer in 2008-2010, how practical/possible is it for me to reformat and install XP and get all the hardware and drivers working? Will most software companies such as adobe, autodesk, norton, etc drop software support of XP? (ie will all programs only be written and compatible for Vista in 2009?, or will they still have XP backwards compatibility built in?)


What about games?
If I stick with XP it means I will stick to DX9. I don't care about DX10, but my ONLY worry is it games in the future drop all support for DX9 then I won't be able to play new games at all no matter how fast my video adapter is because XP has no support for DX10. Will this mean I must switch to Vista to play any games at all??? And now the new "VISTA ONLY" games, Halo 2 I don't care about, but what happens when the next version of Microsoft Flight Simulator is VISTA ONLY? I'm a hardcore simulation fan, but as of now, I'll pass on both Vista and FSX as they are of similiar quality and construction. FS9 on Win XP is smooth as silk, FSX on Vista is NOT a good combination, trust me... If other software, appware, and gaming companies follow's Microsoft's lead and start making VISTA ONLY games or DX10 ONLY games, then I'm pretty much out of luck? What happens when newer versions of 3ds max, photoshop, autocad, Matlab, cadence, etcetc all start dropping XP support one by one??? Maybe Vienna will come soon to save the day? How an I extend the life of my XP for as long as Boeing has extended the life of the 747??


Someone please help enlighten me!

Thanks,

Bluesky787
 

bluesky787

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I did some online reading about Windows Vienna and found this:

In the past 20 years, the Microsoft Windows operating system has accumulated old code libraries that brought it to the size it has today, 2.5 GB and about 50 million lines of code (Windows Vista). These old code libraries consume resources and are often the targets of security exploits. The best way to avoid such problems, is to start from scratch, which is close to what Microsoft plans to do with Windows Vienna. Windows Vienna will represent the start of a different generation of operating systems, bringing in new concepts and support for new types of hardware, along with a better security and a modular approach, which will allow future versions of Windows to be built more easily on Windows Vienna's engine.It is also likely that the future success of Microsoft's products will be strongly decided by the success of the new generation operating system.


"Microsoft has announced it will be released in 2009, it has been publicly stated that the team that designed the Ribbon interface for Microsoft Office 2007 will play an active part in redesigning Windows Explorer and possibly other UI elements. In that sense, we can expect that the user interface paradigms will change significantly. Perhaps, even, the powerful organizational capability of the Ribbon interface will permit Windows to adopt significant new functionality."

"We're going to look at a fundamental piece of enabling technology. Maybe it's hypervisors. I don't know what it is" [...] "Maybe it's a new user interface paradigm for consumers."

"That means that right now when you move from one PC to another, you've got to install apps on each one, do upgrades on each one. Moving information between them is very painful. We can use Live Services to know what you're interested in. So even if you drop by a [public] kiosk or somebody else's PC, we can bring down your home page, your files, your fonts, your favorites and those things. So that's kind of the user-centric thing that Live Services can enable. [Also,] in Vista, things got a lot better with [digital] ink and speech, but by the next release there will be a much bigger bet. Students won't need textbooks; they can just use these tablet devices. Parallel computing is pretty important for the next release. We'll make it so that a lot of the high-level graphics will be just built into the operating system. So we've got a pretty good outline.""


It's about time Microsoft cleared the board and started from scratch. I hope Vienna becomes as perfect of an OS as possible, but I dread the OS being tied intricately with Microsoft LIVE Services..... No offense, but I don't want my life to be intertwined with Microsoft, I just want an Operating System that does its job, that works without me needing to babysite it and feed it's UAC "yes, I'm sure" confirmations every five seconds. The whole point of an OS is to be as invisible as possible, like air is critical to our survival but we never notice it, until its gone. The same way, the zen of operating system is that it does everything in the background, transparent, clean, invisible. Vista is anything but.... I don't want to develop Obsessive Compulsive Disorder due to using UAC, I'm sure if that happens Microsoft won't foot the medical bill.


I'm also not to sure about the RIBBON interface. I hope a more intuitive interface is incorporated in Vienna. I have used Office 2007 and gotten around to learning the Ribbon interface and truth be told I don't think its that great. It's not that efficient or effective and it really doesn't save me much if any time at all. What is so wrong with the classical menu interface and the proven way of doing things? Why change everything around when it was working fine? I really don't get it, the ribbon interface isn't saving me any time or making my Office Experience any more enjoyable.


Bill Gates comment really make me wonder what world he is living in:

"Students won't need textbooks; they can just use these tablet devices. "

And why would be need Vienna to accomplish this? Tablet Devices have existed forever,
I don't see how Vienna will change their adoption to high schools and colleges. Somehow I don't see textbooks being replaced by Tablet PC's anytime soon. Even if it did happen, XP would have done the job. No need for Vista or Vienna to do that...

 

VirtualLarry

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Originally posted by: bluesky787
I am hoping in 2009 Microsoft will actually "WOW" us with a 'perfect' (near perfect) OS that is Vienna. Vista is really, well lets just say I don't like it much and my opinion of it isn't going to change because of a service pack or two, especially when Vienna is already on the horizon and we all know how fast MSFT sunsets a previous version of Windows the moment the next comes out so it can Pimp it out and whore the pockets of Billy Bill Gates and Ballmer.
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Aluvus

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Originally posted by: bluesky787
Originally posted by: loup garou
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What does that mean?

That your posts are really long.

I'm going to be honest, I didn't make it all the way through. But to answer one question: Vista took so long because it was massively delayed. Technologies that were supposed to be part of it took much too long to develop, or just didn't pan out, and there were a lot of problems. It was not intended to take so long, but it did.