9700pro vs. 9800pro

[xcelr8]

I'm just wondering what the difference is between these cards, other than price. Can the 9700pro be o/c'd to equal a 9800pro or are there more differences than clock speeds?

 

[clicknext]

I searched your topic on google and this was the first result.

 

[Cawchy87]

slight differance between the r300 and r350 cores. If you clocked a 9800pro down to 9700pro speeds it would still proform better. I have never seen a 9700pro clock as fast as a 9800pro (stock) 9800 pro's o/c well too.

Both cards are GREAT for the price. They own the 120-185 price catagory

 

[xcelr8]

Thanks for the quick responses. Right now I'm only running an 8500le and it's not really keeping up with doom3, surprising? Anyway, I've been thinking of upgrading and was wondering if the ~$50 price difference was worth it. It seems that the 9800pro is the card to get, can they normally reach xt levels?

 

[Cawchy87]

Generally yes. But i would really recommend getting an aftermarket cooler on it. The heatsink that comes stock in it is just feeble. It is red hot when running at stock speeds, nevermind overclocked.

50 dollars more for a 9800pro is a really tough call. Not sure if it is fully worth it. I would get one off of the fs/ft fourms for ~150 or 160

 

[Para11ax]

MSI offers a 9800Pro you should look into. It has only 128mb of ddr, however it has an R360 core (aka 9800xt). This means you can just up the clock speed back to the standard 9800 xt, and you basicaly have an xt with 128mb of ddr for the price of a pro. its really a sweet deal. Just make sure you find the older green model with the big ass heat sync. I beleave the card model is RX9800PRO-TD128. seems to be going for around $185. This Card

Regards

 

[xcelr8]

More questions. What is the difference between the 350 and 360 core? Also, is a BBA card the best, or are sapphires and others good too as long as they are 256-bit? Thanks again.

 

[Cawchy87]

r350 cores generally have better overclocks while r360 cores have have a few more pixel shaders. personaly i wouldn't spend 185 + tax on a 9800pro when you can get one for 160 shipped here on anandtech. but if you want to buy new, thats the card to buy.

 

[dguy6789]

Originally posted by: Cawchy87
r350 cores generally have better overclocks while r360 cores have have a few more pixel shaders. personaly i wouldn't spend 185 + tax on a 9800pro when you can get one for 160 shipped here on anandtech. but if you want to buy new, thats the card to buy.

What is this complete BS?

The ONLY difference between the 350 and the 360 is that the 360 has a temp moniter, and a slight rearrangement of things on chip. This has no performance in increase due to the cores. No extra shaders, no nothing.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: dguy6789

Originally posted by: Cawchy87
r350 cores generally have better overclocks while r360 cores have have a few more pixel shaders. personaly i wouldn't spend 185 + tax on a 9800pro when you can get one for 160 shipped here on anandtech. but if you want to buy new, thats the card to buy.

What is this complete BS?

The ONLY difference between the 350 and the 360 is that the 360 has a temp moniter, and a slight rearrangement of things on chip. This has no performance in increase due to the cores. No extra shaders, no nothing.

WTF is Cawchy talking about!?!?

-Kevin

 

[dguy6789]

I have no idea. Some people make up explanations for things they dont understand, and post them as fact....... Otherwise known as flamebaiting

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: dguy6789

Originally posted by: Cawchy87
r350 cores generally have better overclocks while r360 cores have have a few more pixel shaders. personaly i wouldn't spend 185 + tax on a 9800pro when you can get one for 160 shipped here on anandtech. but if you want to buy new, thats the card to buy.

What is this complete BS?

The ONLY difference between the 350 and the 360 is that the 360 has a temp moniter, and a slight rearrangement of things on chip. This has no performance in increase due to the cores. No extra shaders, no nothing.

you're both wrong
:roll:

1) There is a difference in shaders between r350 and r360 . . . . not enough to make any practical difference

2) The r360 is OPTIMIZED to o/c BETTER than r360 - better heat dissapation

2) The r360 does NOT (in the 9800p) have a thermal probe - just a "place" for it - the r360 XTs actually have a thermal diode than can read core temps.

 

[Concillian]

Originally posted by: apoppin

2) The r360 is OPTIMIZED to o/c BETTER than r360 - better heat dissapation

2) The r360 does NOT (in the 9800p) have a thermal probe - just a "place" for it - the r360 XTs actually have a thermal diode than can read core temps.

OH that helps clear things up.

r360 overclocks better than an r360

and point number 2) ... wait... there was already a point number 2)


LoL

 

[bigal40]

if you want to wait for an agp version to come out you can get a 6600gt that will outperform a 9800xt for around $200

 

[batmanuel]

Originally posted by: bigal40
if you want to wait for an agp version to come out you can get a 6600gt that will outperform a 9800xt for around $200

I was kind of shocked when I went to Best Buy today and saw the X700 Pro PCIe for $199 and the 9800 Pro for $250. Doesn't the X700 Pro perform about the same/slightly better than 9800 Pro?

 

[KevinH]

Originally posted by: bigal40
if you want to wait for an agp version to come out you can get a 6600gt that will outperform a 9800xt for around $200

2nd this. I'd hold off a few weeks for the dust to settle with the 6600GT and the X700s. Both great cards and IIRC, both perform better than the 9800Pro.

 

[Pete]

Originally posted by: batmanuel

Originally posted by: bigal40
if you want to wait for an agp version to come out you can get a 6600gt that will outperform a 9800xt for around $200

I was kind of shocked when I went to Best Buy today and saw the X700 Pro PCIe for $199 and the 9800 Pro for $250. Doesn't the X700 Pro perform about the same/slightly better than 9800 Pro?

About the same, but it packs twice the RAM. They're probably counting on the 9800P name to sucker a buyer, or maybe it's a leftover from when it was MSRP$300?

I'm surprised the X700P is $200 retail. That means the X700XT and thus maybe the 6600GT will cost the same, too. Nice.

 

[RussianSensation]

I'd definately wait for 6600GT AGP version, especially if Doom 3 is a concern for you.

Or you could pick up 6800 from Outpost.com or BestBuy for $250.

Otherwise see if you can pick up 9800Pro used for $150 or so.

 

[Marsumane]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: dguy6789

Originally posted by: Cawchy87
r350 cores generally have better overclocks while r360 cores have have a few more pixel shaders. personaly i wouldn't spend 185 + tax on a 9800pro when you can get one for 160 shipped here on anandtech. but if you want to buy new, thats the card to buy.

What is this complete BS?

The ONLY difference between the 350 and the 360 is that the 360 has a temp moniter, and a slight rearrangement of things on chip. This has no performance in increase due to the cores. No extra shaders, no nothing.

you're both wrong
:roll:

1) There is a difference in shaders between r350 and r360 . . . . not enough to make any practical difference

2) The r360 is OPTIMIZED to o/c BETTER than r360 - better heat dissapation

2) The r360 does NOT (in the 9800p) have a thermal probe - just a "place" for it - the r360 XTs actually have a thermal diode than can read core temps.

Actually i think it does have the thermal probe, just it is disabled by the bios. I remember reading something about people flashing the 256mb 9800p's to xts and being able to enable overdrive which requires the thermal probe. The rest of the above with some minor fixing of typing erros is correct though.

-But who's being technical
For all practical purposes, there is no guaranteed benefit of buying a card with an r360 core.

 

[SickBeast]

You're all confused.

R300=9700
R350=9800 - has the new f-buffer, optimized chip layout (no real usable new features, at least not yet)
R360=9800XT - same as above, except it has the thermal probe

 

[dguy6789]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: dguy6789

Originally posted by: Cawchy87
r350 cores generally have better overclocks while r360 cores have have a few more pixel shaders. personaly i wouldn't spend 185 + tax on a 9800pro when you can get one for 160 shipped here on anandtech. but if you want to buy new, thats the card to buy.

What is this complete BS?

The ONLY difference between the 350 and the 360 is that the 360 has a temp moniter, and a slight rearrangement of things on chip. This has no performance in increase due to the cores. No extra shaders, no nothing.

you're both wrong
:roll:

1) There is a difference in shaders between r350 and r360 . . . . not enough to make any practical difference

2) The r360 is OPTIMIZED to o/c BETTER than r360 - better heat dissapation

2) The r360 does NOT (in the 9800p) have a thermal probe - just a "place" for it - the r360 XTs actually have a thermal diode than can read core temps.

No, you are wrong. Read what I posted. There is a slight rearrangement of things on the chip. These have no performance impact, are not intended to, and have NOTHING to do with shaders.

Give me a link to show me where the r360 has better shaders then the r350, otherwise, dont go posting things you have no clue about.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: dguy6789

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: dguy6789

Originally posted by: Cawchy87
r350 cores generally have better overclocks while r360 cores have have a few more pixel shaders. personaly i wouldn't spend 185 + tax on a 9800pro when you can get one for 160 shipped here on anandtech. but if you want to buy new, thats the card to buy.

What is this complete BS?

The ONLY difference between the 350 and the 360 is that the 360 has a temp moniter, and a slight rearrangement of things on chip. This has no performance in increase due to the cores. No extra shaders, no nothing.

you're both wrong
:roll:

1) There is a difference in shaders between r350 and r360 . . . . not enough to make any practical difference

2) The r360 is OPTIMIZED to o/c BETTER than r360 - better heat dissapation

2) The r360 does NOT (in the 9800p) have a thermal probe - just a "place" for it - the r360 XTs actually have a thermal diode than can read core temps.

No, you are wrong. Read what I posted. There is a slight rearrangement of things on the chip. These have no performance impact, are not intended to, and have NOTHING to do with shaders.

Give me a link to show me where the r360 has better shaders then the r350, otherwise, dont go posting things you have no clue about.

i have answered this before . . . . unfortunately, i cannot find either the thread i answered in nor the link.
. . . So, i'm relying on my memory.

there IS a performance difference between overclocking a 256/256MB 9800p to Xt speeds and a 'true' XT even though they are identical except for their BIOSes.

As i undertannd it, whenever a new CPU or GPU stepping is made (and the r360 is really just a further "stepping" of r350 with ZERO architectural changes), "errors" in the silicon are eliminated.

In the case of r360, it is designed to dissapate heat better - overclock a bit further. When the silicon defects are "fixed", shaders etc. will run a bit more efficiently.

Note that i am NOT the one who said "r360 cores have have a few more pixel shader"; simply that there was a "difference" (i.e. they might run a bit "faster"). i also went on the record to say there was no practical difference.

quit nitpicking
(again)
:roll:

 

[Azndude51]

How would a 9700pro compare with a plain 9800, performance wise?

 

[Marsumane]

Originally posted by: Azndude51
How would a 9700pro compare with a plain 9800, performance wise?

Almost the same. The 9800p will oc higher, but at stock they are very close in performance.

 

[Azndude51]

someone told me that the plain 9800 has 128bit memory, and the 9700pro has 256, does that matter?