97% of all job creation in 2013 has been part-time.

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Yes, praise our Dear Leader and all that he has done for us.


He has lost the trust of business owners and decision makers by threatening all sorts of liberalie legislation. Business owners look at our federal system and it's threats and changes as having to work with a young indecisive child.

It is currently a VERY poor business decision to take on the risk of ANY full time labor at this point.

With obamacare, min wage laws, and everything else he has poked his nose into it's no surprise to see these results.
 

Vic Vega

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Some engineer was making $100K/year full time and now makes $15/hour, ten hours a week at Home Depot. Obviously we should raise the minimum wage to $100K/year...

PS. Vote for us, you owe us, bitch.

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If our Dear Leader starts acting on these hyper inflated minimum wage threats you will see mcdonalds, wal marts, and similar establishments go to fully automated systems.

There will be mass layoffs of these lower class workers, who will have to look towards welfare and other government handouts to get by.


It's a very solid way to put a lot of poor people out of work. But, I'm sure the liberalies will blame the rightwingers in the end anyway.
 

ivwshane

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Employment sucks in this country and all I can do is complain and whine about it. I have no solutions to fixing the problem but I'd rather watch the country fail than to let a party with solutions try and fix the mess.

P.s.
We don't care if you vote for us, we already have the election rigged!

<righty>

Or I could have just quoted the previous posters who pretty much said the same thing.
 

Fern

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Wow. That's a surprisingly high number.

I looked to see how many hours per week these part time jobs offered. I didn't see it, maybe I missed it. But I think if low, say 20 hrs per week, this has the chance to make the unemployment numbers misleading. I think there's a big difference between adding 100,000 and adding only 50,000 jobs. But if they're part time jobs offering only 20 hrs that 100k is much more like 50k, and that doesn't take into account the lack of HI and other benefits that part timers get.

Fern
 

Leymenaide

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My niece just got a bank teller job she is working part time (38 hours a week)
 

DucatiMonster696

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You could argue this is part of the great wealth redistribution that those on the left wanted to see and its occurring on a global scale. Of course its coming at the expense of 1st world nations.
 
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This is the first time I've heard this. Wow! Excuse me if I'm not impressed by this administration's particular flavor of trickle down economics.

&#8220;Over the last six months, of the net job creation, 97 percent of that is part-time work,&#8221; said Keith Hall, a senior researcher at George Mason University&#8217;s Mercatus Center. &#8220;That is really remarkable.&#8221;

Hall is no ordinary academic. He ran the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the agency that puts out the monthly jobs report, from 2008 to 2012. Over the past six months, he said, the Household Survey shows 963,000 more people reporting that they were employed, and 936,000 of them reported they&#8217;re in part-time jobs.

&#8220;That is a really high number for a six-month period,&#8221; Hall said. &#8220;I&#8217;m not sure that has ever happened over six months before.&#8221;
 

Vic Vega

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Employment sucks in this country and all I can do is complain and whine about it. I have no solutions to fixing the problem but I'd rather watch the country fail than to let a party with solutions try and fix the mess.

P.s.
We don't care if you vote for us, we already have the election rigged!

<righty>

Or I could have just quoted the previous posters who pretty much said the same thing.

Which election was rigged? The one in 2008? Or the one in 2012?

I'm not a righty, dumbass but it's clear to see Democrats have few good ideas, mostly bad.
 
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Wow. That's a surprisingly high number.

I looked to see how many hours per week these part time jobs offered. I didn't see it, maybe I missed it. But I think if low, say 20 hrs per week, this has the chance to make the unemployment numbers misleading. I think there's a big difference between adding 100,000 and adding only 50,000 jobs. But if they're part time jobs offering only 20 hrs that 100k is much more like 50k, and that doesn't take into account the lack of HI and other benefits that part timers get.

Fern

Perhaps employment should be based on total hours employed instead of a person employed.

(IE: This week the economy added 3500 hours of employment).

Oh wait that would be realistic and truthful. Can't have that nope nope nope. Whats next? Giving the actual amount of people that are unemployed? Crazy talk! Get out of here with that!
 

Patranus

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Working two jobs to make ends meet is the American dream!

What is 'ends meat'?

More than 80% of the working 'poor' owns luxury items like TVs.

Its all about priorities people. There is no reason the productive members of society should subsidize the lifestyles of anyone.

This idea that people are starving in the streets is laughable.
 

Patranus

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You could argue this is part of the great wealth redistribution that those on the left wanted to see and its occurring on a global scale. Of course its coming at the expense of 1st world nations.

Heh. That is what I tell my friends I am doing when I hire someone in India.

Just enacting 'social' and 'economic' justice on a global scale per their ideology.
Gotta "spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody.''
 
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Working two jobs to make ends meet is the American dream!


I don't know anyone who put forth effort during high school to learn ANY trade that needs to have two jobs to make ends meet. Even in poor areas, it's actually EASIER to get ahead because you barely have to even try to get good grades and end up with your tuition paid in college.


But what's the modern American dream that our Dear Leader has promised us? Skip class in school, don't take anything seriously, then at age 30 get deemed by a quack gubment doctor to have degenerative disc disease or ADD and end up on the government handout list, then get your obligatory late model chrylser as a government sign on bonus.
 

spidey07

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When you have a law that will punish employers for having full time workers via mandatory health insurance cost increases what do you think businesses will do in response?

DUH!

It's almost like this was on purpose...oh that's right! He is doing this shit on purpose. May great fuck be upon Obama.
 
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This appears to be an unintended consequence of Obamacare. I'm sure that Republicans are somehow the blame though!
 

Doppel

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What is 'ends meat'?

More than 80% of the working 'poor' owns luxury items like TVs.

Its all about priorities people. There is no reason the productive members of society should subsidize the lifestyles of anyone.

This idea that people are starving in the streets is laughable.
A TV isn't a luxury item in 2013.
 

palehorse

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Does anyone have a link to data that shows this percentage over time?

Just wait until Obamacare kicks in full speed, I'm sure we'll see that percentage reach a "near-perfect" 99.9%...

woohoooo! Bring on the welfare society!
 

mshan

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"Does anyone have a link to data that shows this percentage over time?"
Can't find the video clip on CNBC website, but last Friday when jobs report was released, later in day Steve Liesman pointed out that if you use December 2011 (I believe that is month he said, not totally certain), the number of full time jobs created is greater than part time jobs created, and that the ratio of full time jobs to part time jobs is same.

You are looking at incremental job creation, but that stat can be deceiving if some segments of job market have been at or beyond full employment for quite some time now (e. g . engineers with 2% unemployment rate and 10 year back log in demand http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000114536 & http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/1834541087001/engineering-facing-skills-shortage-in-hiring).

Not everyone lost their job during the Bush Near Depression, though lots of skilled full time workers were probably scared as heck they would lose their job then.

Then, around time of Occupy Wall Street (fall 2011), there was what appears to be one time surge in hiring which Ben Bernanke postulated was one time reversal of too severe, cut to the bone job cuts that happened during financial panic of 2008.

Plus because of the efficiencies of capitalism (e. g. automation and manufacturers only needs 70% of previous workforce to output same amount), high tech scheduling software* that only allots 2 - 3 hour shifts to part time workers (instead of several 8 hour shifts), and skills mismatch (old school factory workers can't divide decimals in half to run CNC machinery http://www.npr.org/2012/07/10/155837962/for-manufacturing-jobs-workers-brush-up-on-math) and geographic mismatch (jobs in one part of country, but people with underwater houses stuck elsewhere), plus fact that half of job losses from the great recession were either directly or trickle down casualties of speculative housing bubble (stealing demand from future by building houses no one needed at time), all create somewhat false perception of jobless recovery.
* &#8220;Many employers now schedule shifts as short as two or three hours, while historically they may have scheduled eight-hour shifts,&#8221; said David Ossip, founder of Dayforce, a producer of scheduling software used by chains like Aéropostale and Pier One Imports.

Some employers even ask workers to come in at the last minute, and the workers risk losing their jobs or being assigned fewer hours in the future if they are unavailable."

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/28/b...hift-for-american-workers.html?pagewanted=all





http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/30/the-asymmetric-recovery/?_r=0

http://www.upi.com/Business_News/20...kforce-levels-are-history/UPI-36981371758288/

"On one hand, you have companies like TJX&#8212;so-called "bricks and mortar" retailers&#8212;which in order to do business every day must staff a few thousand stores, and keep them open for 10, 12, or even 24 hours per day. That means greeters, checkers, security, customer service, and stockroom employees, plus bright lighting, catchy displays, and other ordinary features of a quality retail facility. Companies like Amazon have bricks and mortar too, of course, as displayed on the recent junket in Tennessee. But that's about all they have.

Amazon can operate in facilities far off the beaten path, with nothing but wire shelves and cement floors, and they can serve just as many customers from only a fraction of the locations&#8212;and a fraction of the manpower&#8212;that their competitors require. On just about every front, the company is more efficient than its peers"

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-...ncom-creates-5000-jobs-destroys-25000-process
 
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