9600/9700 nVidia equivalent?

[Emultra]

What is the nVidia equivalent (performance, quality, price, reliability) of the Radeon 9600 or 9700 cards?

I was thinking about getting a 9x00 card, but then I heard it has problems with a certain game I like very much (Generals), ranging from quality and performance reduction to outright crashed. Just in case this happens to be true, I'd like to know about the GeForceFX cards.

 

[Sylvanas]

dont waste your time with the FX cards there no where near the standard of a 9700/9600. the problems you may have heard are only a driver/game related issue so therefore there may be a fix for it in the future. FYI i have generals running excellently on my overclocked 9600pro. the FX equiv for a 9600 series is the 5700 series. and for the 9700, the FX equiv is the 5800? (im sure its more like 5900...)

 

[akshayt]

theoritically speaking fx 5700 competes radeon 9600pro/xt,but in real performance is easily beat by radeon except for opengl like doom3.

 

[Emultra]

So I should stick to the 9600Pro, then? It would be the easiest for me.

Would you recommend a 9600 or 9700 to a 2600XP? Is 9700 overkill or should I go with that one, even for a higher price? I'm buying the 2600XP new as well. 768-1024Mb RAM.

 

[PingSpike]

It seems that the general consenus is that nVidia's FX series was a pretty weak offering overall and that ATi really won that round. Although the new 6xxx series I've been hearing good things about, particularly regarding the doom3 engine.

Personally, I'd get ATI if I were looking around that range. But I'm not expect on all the video cards.

 

[2Xtreme21]

9700pro is much better than the 9600pro. The 9700pro has 8 pixel pipelines as well as 256-bit memory access up from the 9600's 4 pixel pipelines and 128-bit memory. You will be a lot better off by snagging the 9700pro.

 

[imported_Kensai]

I'd say 9700 Pro or the 5700 Ultra. They're both great cards for the price.

 

[Cawchy87]

a 9600pro beats a 5700U in the majority of tests. A 9700 pro destroys it. Not even in the same field. I run generals on a 9700np and it hasn't crashed on me yet.

 

[Pete]

A 9700 would be much better than any 9600. You can get a 9700P for less if you buy used.

 

[SneakyStuff]

Originally posted by: Cawchy87
a 9600pro beats a 5700U in the majority of tests. A 9700 pro destroys it. Not even in the same field. I run generals on a 9700np and it hasn't crashed on me yet.

9600pro? doubt it. The 9600pro suxorz compare to the 5700u. But after getting a 9700p, and having used a 9600p also, I will agree with you that the 9700p DESTROYS them

 

[Emultra]

Thanks for the tips, guys, it seems the 9700 is the right choice for me then.

No use in purchasing a bottleneck, is there?

I'll have to buy from a native Swedish store, but I think I should be able to find one.

 

[Appledrop]

9700pro with 2600+ is a good match. 9600s are horrid IMO

 

[Emultra]

How so? Are they like the MX or LE stuff; budget cards?

EDIT: holy cr@p, they sell for like $500+ here, stupid vendors...what should I do...

*Long political rant about the Authoritarian Democratic Monarchy of Sweden*

I've found a 9600 Pro for a relatively good price here, but I'd want a 9700 Pro more. But the very vast majority of US vendors do not ship overseas, it seems, and when they do, the government of Swedistan imposes by law a 25% sales tax. Then there's shipping.

What about UK stores and such?


Also, what is this "Connect3D" thing? A manufacturer? Their cards seem to sell at suspiciously lower prices relative to other brands...

 

[d2arcturus]

IMO, 9700 pro all the way, my friend still has one and it's a beast compared to my old 9600pro
in fact, tomshardware.com says that the 9700pro is the best value (performance vs. price) for a video card right now

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: Emultra
How so? Are they like the MX or LE stuff; budget cards?

EDIT: holy cr@p, they sell for like $500+ here, stupid vendors...what should I do...

*Long political rant about the Authoritarian Democratic Monarchy of Sweden*

I've found a 9600 Pro for a relatively good price here, but I'd want a 9700 Pro more. But the very vast majority of US vendors do not ship overseas, it seems, and when they do, the government of Swedistan imposes by law a 25% sales tax. Then there's shipping.

What about UK stores and such?


Also, what is this "Connect3D" thing? A manufacturer? Their cards seem to sell at suspiciously lower prices relative to other brands...

Maybe you should try Ebay. See if you can find someone with good feedback that ships internationally.

 

[Emultra]

How do I verify its quality, since if I understood it correctly, Ebay sells second hand wares, right?

 

[nitromullet]

Ebay is an online auction site. Some of the sellers are individuals, some are businesses. You can find both new and used goods, it just depends on the seller.

 

[Emultra]

Okay, but what with all the memory, pipelines and similar pitfall differences that I've read occurs even within the same models, let alone outspoken SE/LE models, how do you check that without spending an eternity on detailed checkups?

 

[Matthias99]

Originally posted by: Emultra
How do I verify its quality, since if I understood it correctly, Ebay sells second hand wares, right?

"EBay" doesn't sell anything; individual sellers sell things on EBay. They can be new, used, whatever. Be warned that you're probably *still* supposed to pay import taxes even if it's not from a "store".

If buying from the UK is easier than the US for you (sorry, don't know much about Swedish import taxes...), search the forum here for places to shop in the UK. It comes up pretty often in General Hardware.

 

[Emultra]

Even with all the fees, EBay seems like the right choice. It seems pretty solid even though I've never had any past experience with it. Several of the 9700 Pro's ship over here and I bet I could save a hundred bucks. The much lower bulk prices compared to native stores should make up for the import and auction fees.

Now, to the decision of which of the actual cards to choose...

Oh, and the dollar has gone down pretty badly compared to the crown, which I guess would make this as good a time for import as any.

Thanks for the advice, by the way.

 

[Todd33]

Anyone know if the 128bit 9800 pros beat the 9700 pro? Any benchmarks anywhere on these 128 bit versions?

 

[winr]

Check these out.

I believe the 9800 SE has a 128 bit memory.
Someone correct me if I am wrong.


http://graphics.tomshardware.c...004/vga_charts-11.html

 

[Todd33]

The 9800 SE is only 4 pipelines. The 128bit 9800 pro is called the "Atlantis" or something.

 

[Pete]

Connect3D is a company, just like Sapphire or Asus. I haven't heard anything bad about them. I think they're based or focused on europe, which may explain the lower prices.

A 128-bit 9800 will not compare to a 256-bit 9700 when you use what these cards excel at, namely AA. If it's an 8-pipe 9800, consider it like a slightly faster 9500P.

 

[xSkyDrAx]

lets see....

5500>9600>5900>9700