95C too hot for core i5?

The Green Bean

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I just noticed that the processor goes to 95C on full load. I have a sony vaio CW series laptop. The laptop series did have some problems with heat and they released a firmware update. If I remember correctly the temperatures were way lower before the mandatory update. Now what?

edit: Ok now I'm running Speedfan which shows 4 cores (2+2) running in at 75C. CPUID hardware monitor shows 2 cores running in the 90s. Which is accurate?

Also is 75C at full load normal?
Also, shouldn't intel throttle down speeds when the temps get this hot? I'm not overclocking.
Also ambient temps are 32-37C ... yes I like my room warm in summers.

edit 2: Speedfan can't be right. It shows 20C idle which is much lower than the room temp.
 
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The Green Bean

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Ok now I'm running Speedfan which shows 4 cores (2+2) running in at 75C. CPUID hardware monitor shows 2 cores running in the 90s. Which is accurate?

Also is 75C at full load normal?
Also, shouldn't intel throttle down speeds when the temps get this hot? I'm not overclocking.
 

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75C is hot but not really uncommon for a laptop at full load with a processor like that. A lot of laptops are manufactured not able to handle all of their CPU cores at full load for long periods of time without overheating/throttling.
 

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lol....

95c is too hot for anything. When I've had cpu's even near that temp, the first signs were usually either feeling heat or smelling something.

My x2 6400+ overheated on me when i first got it. I was alerted by the wafts of very hot air @ my keyboard tray.
 

bryanW1995

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the real temperature to be concerned about is distance to tjmax. most likely cpuid hardware monitor and speedfan are reading the same number, but their tjmax is different for 20c. for instace, speedfan might list tjmax as 100c and cpuid as 120c, but they are both registering a 25c distance to tjmax. that is hot but not unreasonable.

I've had problems in the past with speedfan so I use coretemp on my laptops. install coretemp and tell it to display the distance to tjmax. as long as you're >15c or so then you're fine.

Or, you could just use ben90's flowchart. ;)
 

The Green Bean

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TJ max is 105. Coretemp goes to about 100C which is the same as CPUID. Why isn't my CPU throttling down?

Also, my CPU is running at 2.6GHZ instead of the 2.4GHZ on the spec sheet.
The external components don't feel that hot. I had a core duo macbook that got much hotter. The laptop is still under warranty until February. Should I contact Sony, or if nothing happens until Feb, chances are nothing ever will?

So its about 5-10 from TJMax without the AC turned on.

Anyway to manually edit the TJmax. I don't want my computer running that hot. The Vaio bios has pretty limited options.
 
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betasub

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Perhaps you should post your CPU id and vcore. Do you have Turbo and C-states enabled?
 

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TJ max is 105. Coretemp goes to about 100C which is the same as CPUID. Why isn't my CPU throttling down?

Also, my CPU is running at 2.6GHZ instead of the 2.4GHZ on the spec sheet.
The external components don't feel that hot. I had a core duo macbook that got much hotter. The laptop is still under warranty until February. Should I contact Sony, or if nothing happens until Feb, chances are nothing ever will?

So its about 5-10 from TJMax without the AC turned on.

Anyway to manually edit the TJmax. I don't want my computer running that hot. The Vaio bios has pretty limited options.

It sounds like you are deliberately trying to make it throttle. That's handled by CPU itself, not some software.

OK, so you believe your CPU is "too hot" because software says so. Intel and its CPU protection don't seem to be worried yet. You can alway take steps (such as switch off Turbo & HyperThreading, underclocking, undervolting) to help the CPU generate less heat.
 

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I just noticed that the processor goes to 95C on full load.

Is it running fine? Do you always run "full load" (I'm assuming Folding, Prime, etc.)?

If your answers are yes and no, then don't worry about it. As long as you didn't futz with BIOS settings (though most notebooks don't have such) and allow the hardware and Windows to manage performance states, then it should be self-regulating.
 

peonyu

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Thats way to hot, 80c and above is really asking for trouble in the long term. Im surprised it can handle 95c though [damn]. You probably have a fan not on or its running at a 'silent' speed.

If it is 75c, that is fine. I have a core2duo based laptop that peaks at 79c and Ive been using it for a year now without a problem...80c and above is where it gets sketchy.
 

thescreensavers

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^ lol that might be it.

When I switched from the factory tim to AS5 my CPU temp went down 10c.

but he prob need to RMA it or send it in to get fixed, since opening laptops = void warranty. I had the AS5 put on by a certified repair place :D
 
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Even if you are running it hot and somehow manage to shorten the CPU's lifespan by 50%, it'll still outlast everything else on the laptop, so I wouldn't be too concerned about it. When you finally chuck that thing in the garbage because the screeen is hosed, the 4th replacement battery wont hold a charge anymore, the power brick is all beat to crap with fraying cords, the case is cracked and covered in scars, half the keys are missing and had coffee spilled on many times, the USB ports are all busted from tripping on cords plugged in; that hot ass cpu will still probably be working fine.
 

bryanW1995

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cpu isn't throttling down b/c it hasn't hit tjmax. how are you loading it? is that in heavy gaming, or folding/DC, just everyday usage? I ask b/c my laptops get within 10-15c of tjmax in seti if I run them 100%, so I set them to run @ 85-90% and temps seem to generally stay much more in line. I also have a 12 cell battery in one so it's got great airflow underneath, while the other one I always leave on a flat surface with plenty of open space around it.
 

The Green Bean

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cpu isn't throttling down b/c it hasn't hit tjmax. how are you loading it? is that in heavy gaming, or folding/DC, just everyday usage? I ask b/c my laptops get within 10-15c of tjmax in seti if I run them 100%, so I set them to run @ 85-90% and temps seem to generally stay much more in line. I also have a 12 cell battery in one so it's got great airflow underneath, while the other one I always leave on a flat surface with plenty of open space around it.


Normal usage it's about 40-45C under TJ max. When running prime however it gets to within 5C of the TJ max without AC which means that the room ambient temperatures must be 35C+

My GPU used to run at 65; now it runs at 95. Do you think the BIOS update has messed up the fans? I did a BIOS update a month ago and last time I check temps was 4-5 months ago.

The design seems to have a flaw in it IMO. There is only one fan and one heatsink for both the CPU and GPU which probably means a hot CPU will make the GPU as hot.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/son...7-official-owners-thread-110.html#post5835381

Now is 95C to hot for a GT 330M? I can't find any specs for that. The desktop version of the GT 330M (gt330) has max temps of 105. Is it the same chip?
 
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bryanW1995

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bios possibly did it, more likely you need to clean out dust off the fans. restricted airflow wouldn't hurt too much under normal usage, but under heavy load on a laptop airflow is the key.

I actually looked into getting a holder/cooler for c2d laptop a couple years ago, but it's ppd is just so low that I dialed it back to run 85% of the time as mentioned and decided not to bother upgrading.
 

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Anything below TJmax is fine if you don't mind your CPU's expected lifetime to be "on the other side" of the 3yr warranty period. (meaning 3.1yrs or some such)

The QA engineering that goes into the process development itself is all geared towards ensuring this much just from a minimization of extenuating liabilities standpoint to Intel's books.

There is no single temperature threshold above which your cpu's lifetime suddenly diminishes. It is a continuous function that is dependent on an exponential of the operating temperature thanks to the physics that underlie the Arrhenius equation.

As a rule of thumb, for every 10C higher your operating temps the expected lifetime of your CPU is reduced by 50% (think of half-life). Whatever your expected cpu lifetime is if operating at 50C, call it X years, you can expect that lifetime to be cut in half if you operate your cpu at 60C, so X/2 years, and again cut in half once more if you operate it at 70C, so X/4 years, etc.

That may sound dire but understand the lifetime is engineered into the IC from the "top-down" in terms of the thermal specs. Meaning your thermal spec was set for your chip with the desire to minimize the number of in-field fails that would occur under warranty.

So making the assumption that your CPU has an expected lifespan equal to (really we should assume greater than as Intel would not be silly enough to make the mean of the distribution equal to their warranty period and then have to deal with the entire left-hand side of the distribution failing under warranty) the standard warranty period (3yrs) when operating at TJmax is a reasonable assumption. Then for every 10C below TJmax you operate the chip you should double the expected lifespan.

If TJmax is 90C and you operate at 80C then a very reasonable lower-estimate of your CPU's expected lifespan would be 6yrs (2 x 3yrs warranty period). If you operate at 70C then 2x2x3yrs = 12yrs expected lifespan.

What is the basis for my arguing this? At TI we required our process technology to be developed so as to enable the minimum lifetime requirement of 10yrs operating at max spec'ed operating voltage and max spec'ed operating temps in continuous 24/7 operation. It is SOP for the industry.

Now where you can really cook your goose (cpu) is over-volting and running hot. It doesn't take much to be operating your CPU in a voltage/temperature regime that in combination the two factors contribute to lowering the expected lifespan of your CPU to something <1yr.

Not too mention there is always a distribution to the lifespan and your particular chip could have some intrinsic weakness/flaw in it that puts its expected lifespan at a value below the mean of the distribution and by operating at elevated temps and volts it is destined to fail substantially sooner than the warranty period. (I killed my QX6700 in something like 18 months, never operated above TJmax or above Vccmax, but had lapped the IHS so no warranty replacement for me)
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