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9500 Pro discontinued? Why?

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bernse

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A few people recomended a 9500 Pro for my rig I am rebuilding. I went to the ATI site to see what was included with the retail ATI package. I couldn't find it. Eventually, I found it under their "discontinued" product line.

Typo? If not, why would this thing be discontinued already? It seems like a still very hot card for the price?
 
Discontinued because it cost quite a bit more money to make than 9600 Pro which is built on .13 micron compared to .15 micron of 9500 Pro.
 
Originally posted by: IQJUMPuw
But isn't 9500 Pro much faster than 9600 Pro? I thought 9500 Pro's were selling very well?
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It doesn't matter that the 9500 pro performed better. The 9600 can be sold for more profit, and the performance is close enough at stock speeds.

It's not like ATI has to worry about their cards performing badly against the competition anymore...damn Nvidia better get their act together soon. This one horse race sucks. For us.
 
Originally posted by: DanDeighan
Originally posted by: IQJUMPuw
But isn't 9500 Pro much faster than 9600 Pro? I thought 9500 Pro's were selling very well?
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It doesn't matter that the 9500 pro performed better. The 9600 can be sold for more profit, and the performance is close enough at stock speeds.

It's not like ATI has to worry about their cards performing badly against the competition anymore...damn Nvidia better get their act together soon. This one horse race sucks. For us.
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The GeForceFX 5600 Ultra gives the Radeon9600/9500 a run for it's money now...
 
Originally posted by: LukFilm
Discontinued because it cost quite a bit more money to make than 9600 Pro which is built on .13 micron compared to .15 micron of 9500 Pro.
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That is a part of it.

ATI released a 9800, 9600, and 9200 line of products just some time back. Each was a 'refresh' of the predecessor, in this case, the 9700, 9500, and 9100 lines, respectively.

They all out performed their predecessor except the 9600 Pro. The 9600 Pro at stock is just a bit slower than the 9500 Pro at stock because they reduced the number of pipelines in half from 8 to 4. So the 9500 Pro had double the pipelines in that case, but they did raise the 9600 Pro's clock speed a bit and it sitll has quite a bit of headroom left in it. An overclocked 9500 Pro and overclocked 9600 Pro doesn't change the verdict for the most part if I remember correctly, but if you want to make sure you can read the review at hardocp.com and so the 9500 Pro still beat it a little even though it didn't overclock as high.

The 9500 Pro is what I would pick if I had it to choose form the 9500 or 9600. The difference between the two isn't a great amount so if there is a $20 price difference or more, I'd choose the cheaper one.
 
Originally posted by: MasterHoss
Originally posted by: DanDeighan
Originally posted by: IQJUMPuw
But isn't 9500 Pro much faster than 9600 Pro? I thought 9500 Pro's were selling very well?
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It doesn't matter that the 9500 pro performed better. The 9600 can be sold for more profit, and the performance is close enough at stock speeds.

It's not like ATI has to worry about their cards performing badly against the competition anymore...damn Nvidia better get their act together soon. This one horse race sucks. For us.
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The GeForceFX 5600 Ultra gives the Radeon9600/9500 a run for it's money now...
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how does the 5600 ultra overclock?
 
The 9600pro is also supposed to be an insane overclocker....Remember reading a review where they bumped up the core 100Mhz on air and they figured if they had a real cooling solution they could push it further. It was one of the first reviews and I don't remember where the site was anywhere but I was astonished over that
 
Ati decided to tune down the 9600pro because of market segmentation. People who were paying top buck for 9700 pro's so they could have the best graphics card on the market were being discouraged. This was since the 9500pro could be overclocked to reach almost the same performance as the 9700pro. This meant people did not have to pay as much for the top performance.

This did have it's sideffects though. Nvidia were losing profits because people were buying the 9500pro(instead of the 9700pro) and o/cing it to 9700 levels. This also meant people who bought 9700's were left feeling slightly unhappy since their card did not have such a significant gain from the mainstream range.

The new 9600pro is good news for anyone who buys a radeon 9800, since you get THE BEST quality albeit for a premium. It's bad news for the mainstream market, since now they have to make do with a less powerful card. Still, the 9600pro does beat the fx5600ultra, so there's a thought....
 
Originally posted by: themanwithapc
Ati decided to tune down the 9600pro because of market segmentation. People who were paying top buck for 9700 pro's so they could have the best graphics card on the market were being discouraged. This was since the 9500pro could be overclocked to reach almost the same performance as the 9700pro. This meant people did not have to pay as much for the top performance.

This did have it's sideffects though. Nvidia were losing profits because people were buying the 9500pro(instead of the 9700pro) and o/cing it to 9700 levels. This also meant people who bought 9700's were left feeling slightly unhappy since their card did not have such a significant gain from the mainstream range.

The new 9600pro is good news for anyone who buys a radeon 9800, since you get THE BEST quality albeit for a premium. It's bad news for the mainstream market, since now they have to make do with a less powerful card. Still, the 9600pro does beat the fx5600ultra, so there's a thought....
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What you are saying is very inaccurate I do not believe anyone ever found a way to enable 256bit memory on a 9500Pro With out that, it would be impossible to make it compete at speeds with the 9700Pro.
 
Originally posted by: wetcat007
Originally posted by: themanwithapc
Ati decided to tune down the 9600pro because of market segmentation. People who were paying top buck for 9700 pro's so they could have the best graphics card on the market were being discouraged. This was since the 9500pro could be overclocked to reach almost the same performance as the 9700pro. This meant people did not have to pay as much for the top performance.

This did have it's sideffects though. Nvidia were losing profits because people were buying the 9500pro(instead of the 9700pro) and o/cing it to 9700 levels. This also meant people who bought 9700's were left feeling slightly unhappy since their card did not have such a significant gain from the mainstream range.

The new 9600pro is good news for anyone who buys a radeon 9800, since you get THE BEST quality albeit for a premium. It's bad news for the mainstream market, since now they have to make do with a less powerful card. Still, the 9600pro does beat the fx5600ultra, so there's a thought....
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What you are saying is very inaccurate I do not believe anyone ever found a way to enable 256bit memory on a 9500Pro With out that, it would be impossible to make it compete at speeds with the 9700Pro.
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I didn't say they reached EXACT 9700pro speeds, I said they ALMOST got it to the same performance as the 9700pro by overclocking. Just read the first paragraph wetcat.
 
Originally posted by: IQJUMPuw
So... both Radeon 9600 Pro and 9500 Pro are faster than GeForce4 Ti4600 and GeForceFX 5600?
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From what I've read, *generally* the 9500 Pro outperforms. I can't speak for the 9600.

 
Originally posted by: IQJUMPuw
So... both Radeon 9600 Pro and 9500 Pro are faster than GeForce4 Ti4600 and GeForceFX 5600?
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This AnandTech article addresses your question: Ati 9600 Pro Review

If a game has an older engine, the Ti4600 rules.
If you go with anti-aliasing, or a fancy new engine, the ATI's take over the top spot (and look better).
The 5600 Ultra isn't superlative in anything, but generally stays in the running.
 
Originally posted by: MasterHoss

The GeForceFX 5600 Ultra gives the Radeon9600/9500 a run for it's money now...
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While it is better, Anand still seems to recommend both the 9500 Pro and 9600 Pro over a 5600 Ultra.
 
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