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9500 np vs 9600 pro

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CaseTragedy

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the 9500 np is about $35 cheaper than the 9600 pro--which would you get?
lets assume non-softmod and stock clock speeds.

i'm just trying to decide which mid-range card i wanna buy.
 
well they are both 4 pipes and 128 bit bus, but the 9600pro has faster core and memory and a newer chip design.
 
Aren't the 9500 nps supposed to be overclockable to Pro speeds, or am I thinking of a limited run or something?

I've been told by numerous AT sources that the 9500 np represents one of the best buys in vid cards IF you can find them...
 
Originally posted by: CaseTragedy
the 9500 np is about $35 cheaper than the 9600 pro--which would you get?
lets assume non-softmod and stock clock speeds.

i'm just trying to decide which mid-range card i wanna buy.
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I'd get the 9600 Pro, especially if it came with the HL2 coupon for only $35 more.

 
Originally posted by: Stoerm
Aren't the 9500 nps supposed to be overclockable to Pro speeds, or am I thinking of a limited run or something?

I've been told by numerous AT sources that the 9500 np represents one of the best buys in vid cards IF you can find them...
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the 9500np has 4 pipelines while the 9500p has 8, thearfor it's not possible, the 4 vs. 8 pipelines is the only diffrence between them (i think)
 
9500 non-pro can sometimes be flashed and overclocked to 9500Pro or 9700 speeds, depending on the card and RAM arrangement you get. But it's not a certainty.

The 9600Pro (when overclocked) is better than a stock 9500Pro (IIRC) or fairly even with it.

If the 9500np will not be overclocked or modded, then get the 9600Pro, much better deal.
 
CaseTragedy....

I have a 9500np and I had a 9600Pro.

I can tell you from personal experience, and here is the benchmark link to prove it, that the 9500np unmodded is equal to a 9600Pro at defualt speeds in 3d2k1 and is faster in the same benchmark when both are overclocked as high as possible.

the 9600Pro is only 260 points faster in 3d2k3 than the 9500np when both are overclcoked.

If I didn't see it first hand I would not have beleived it. I bought the 9600Pro to replace the 9500np, but instead I kept the 9500np and sold the 9600Pro

But I will say that I have the 4 pipe 256bit "L" shaped card, so maybe that is part of the eason it hangs right with it.

Link: http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33720147
 
Originally posted by: gotey
CaseTragedy....

I have a 9500np and I had a 9600Pro.

I can tell you from personal experience, and here is the benchmark link to prove it, that the 9500np unmodded is equal to a 9600Pro at defualt speeds in 3d2k1 and is faster in the same benchmark when both are overclocked as high as possible.

the 9600Pro is only 260 points faster in 3d2k3 than the 9500np when both are overclcoked.

If I didn't see it first hand I would not have beleived it. I bought the 9600Pro to replace the 9500np, but instead I kept the 9500np and sold the 9600Pro

But I will say that I have the 4 pipe 256bit "L" shaped card, so maybe that is part of the eason it hangs right with it.



Link: http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33720147
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i wouldnt use 3dmark score as the critera on which game to buy. the 9600 pro will pwn a 9500 np is real gaming
 
The 3Dmark?s do not give a good indication of the relative performance of the 9500np vs 9600pro. Usually they are reliable, but not in this case. The 3Dmark2001 scores of the 9500 are inflated (don?t know exactly why).

The 9500np can almost match a 9600pro in 3Dmark2001, true; but in actual game benchmarks it?s much slower. In fact, in actual game benchmarks the 9500np is virtually in a dead heat with the 9600np and the 9600np (325/200) is quite a bit (~30%) slower than the 9600pro clocked 400/300.
Check my previous link for benchmarks. Also, here are some more benches with the 9500np and 9600np ? 3dcenter 9600pro much is better than the 9500np.

 
gotey, I can't believe a 9500 would hang with a 9600P. A 9600P should far outclass a 9500 if both cards are at default speeds, particularly in the shader-heavy 3DM03. Your OC'ed speeds for both also indicate that the 9600P should do much better than the 9500, as it's still got 30% greater fillrate, but maybe the 9500's 256b memory bus is helping it out more than I'd expect. I think there's something amiss with your tests, though. I know 3DM01 will be basically CPU-limited with your fast CPU, but I expected 3DM03 to show more of a difference in favor of the 9600P.

I think 10x7 is a CPU-limited res in your case, especially without AA or AF. Does the picture change once you enable AA or AF or raise the resolution?
 
if you translate some of the conclusions it says the 9500np tests are based on a 128bit memory bus and would be completely different on a card with a 256 bit bus.

"Radeon 9500 (non pro) 64 MT (approx. 150 euro) vs. Radeon 9500 (non pro) 128 MT Rev.2 (approx. 170 euro): Arise surprisingly into only extremely few bench mark griffige advantages for the map with the larger memory. It comes much more frequently against it to that strange effect that the 64-MB-Ausfuehrung is slightly faster. We assume here as a cause other Speichertimings with the 128-MB-Ausfuehrung. To stress again that this estimate applies only to the new revision 2 (black plate layout) the Radeon 9500 (non pro) 128 MT, the first revision (red plate layout) would be had 256 bits with a GDR interface over a twice as broad memory interface and thus completely different power ratings."

I think if you have a red "L" shaped memory 9500non-pro, it will perform much better than the "I" shaped cards.
 
Hopefully I?ve got this straight ?

9500pro ? an 8 pipe 9700 core on a 128bit bus (instead of 256bit).
9500np ? 4 pipes disabled - 128bit bus.

9500np was originally made in 2 types, one with L shaped memory (no longer made AFAIK) and one with the I shaped memory. Some of the original L shaped memory 9500np?s were actually made on the same board (256bit) as the 9700pro and could be moded to 9700?s. The current 9500np (I memory shaped model) is on a 128bit bus PCB but apparently can have the additional 4 pipes enabled through a softmod, turning it intro a 9500pro. The newer 9500 cores overclock better than in the past so these softmoded 9500np's can turn out to be pretty fast cards for the right price.
 
If you plan on running this stock the 9600 pro is the clear winner. While the 9500 can be turned into a 9500 pro pretty easily there are risks of corruption. If you do find an "L" shaped memory configuration I belive it is a bout a 30% modding sucsessfully IMO no to good. Mind you if you do plan on ocing the 9600 pro is also VERY good at it. I have a 9500 Pro and love it. Plays everything I want perfectly. I image a 9600 pro would be no different. Spend the extra on it and you won't have to worry about screwing up the card while modding it.
 
I know everyone says the 9600Pro is faster than the 9500Non-Pro and all of the review show it is the case. HOWEVER.... I have not seen a comparison between the 9500non-pro with the "L" memory (256bit) and a 9500/9600Pro with the "I" memory (128bit).
That is why I did the testing that I did. not that it is done as well as it could have been, but it is an apples to apples comparison in the exact same rig.

Maybe the pro versions do play games better than the non-pro but I could not benchmark games so i can only fall back on the 3dmark scores.

EDIT: I did find a very nice review comparing the:
64mb 128 bit 9500np
128mb 256bit 9500np
128mb 128bit 9500Pro
and GeForce 4 cards
9700np/Pro

Looks like the 9500np with the 256bit bus will run as fast as a 9500Pro when slightly overclocked (their tests were at 325/320, most 9500 series cards will overclock to 370/300...mine will do 390/290) At defualt speeds it gets smoked.9500 comparisons
 
Get a 9600Pro and overclock it. I have mine running at 508/333, that quite a bit faster than the 9600XT which runs at 500/300.
 
Originally posted by: TheSnowman
well they are both 4 pipes and 128 bit bus, but the 9600pro has faster core and memory and a newer chip design.
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Ahem...

9500 Pro = 8 pipes, 128-Bit bus (256-Bit hack if "L" memory).
9600 Pro = 4 pipes, 128-Bit bus
 
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