939 to be phased out already?

[CrimsonKnight]

After just buying my 939 mobo last year, I find this article,

http://www.tgdaily.com/2005/11/08/amd_to_launch_940-pin_cpus/index.html

So much for future proofing....any thoughts?

 

[theMan]

um, this is just socket M2. its been in the roadmaps for 2006 for a LOOOONG time.

 

[harobikes333]

You'll never be completely ahead..... new stuff is always coming out:\ lol

Just try to get the more for your $

 

[TuxDave]

Unfortunately I upgrade my computer every 2-3 years and so I have yet to ever find a situation where I could still use my old motherboard.

 

[MDme]

yeah, that's the drawback of having the on-die memory controller, but the benefits seem to outweigh the disadvantages.

anyway, at the rate new technology is produced, having to use the same mobo after 2-3 years would not be an optimal way to upgrade. the socket 939 had served a good career.

could you imagine if we kept the same socket and our mobo still relies on AGP 1x, PC100 SDRAM and ATA33? ....and no USB?

It's just the way technology develops. we all have to live with it.

 

[mountcarlmore]

s939 will only be phased out in 2007, pretty normal lifespan, 3 years.

 

[EightySix Four]

Everyone wines about it, but it's only because we were seriously spoiled with Socket A

 

[jiffylube1024]

You actually read your own link, right? It says that M2 will launch next summer, and S939 will be phased out 1 year after that, hence summer 2007.

Not that big of a surprise...

 

[WhipperSnapper]

I figure I'll get in on the ground floor of Socket 939 with a sub-$200 or sub-$250 processor (if the value is right) and then two or three years from now upgrade to the most powerful Socket 939 processor ever released as well as upgrade the video card and perhaps add more RAM, getting another two or three years out of it. (Gosh, I wonder what the new games will look like and require five years from now.)

Knowing me I'll latch onto one of the best online multiplayer games released (UT 2007 hopefully) and play it competitively for a couple years, enjoying it while picking up one year old games at clearance prices.

 

[Zebo]

LOL you can still buy socket A boards and CPU's and that's 5 years old!!! I would'nt worry. 939 will be here at least another year or two. Not only that I think you'll be surprsied how slow M2's "improvements" are since DDR 500 2-2-2 is currently supported and flies with those tight timings. DDR2 aint all that as shown with intel. And AMD is not bandwidth straved in first place. If you need proof go look at some 3400 vs 3800 reviews .. the 3400 with half the bandwidth hangs just fine w/ expensive 3800. And with DDR2 AMD will lose some latency..will bandwidth make it up? I doubt it..certainly not competeing with UTT @ 250-275 2-2-2 - or anything like that.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: harobikes333
You'll never be completely ahead..... new stuff is always coming out:\ lol

Just try to get the more for your $

Exactly most users should buy what you need now.. tech will always get faster and cheaper. Playing bleeding edge is really like chaseing your tail. And if it's a hobby, well you don't care if it's "obsolete" the next week because the fun is in trying and tweaking new stuff in the first place so you'll always be "future proofed" ( and broke LOL)

 

[Viditor]

Actually, the link's speculation isn't true...AMD gave a 5 year guarantee on S939 last year. It was to reassure developers.
While the M2 will probably be the newest chips in 2007, the S939 chips will be released as well (though they will obviously not be using DDR2 667+, so there will be less demand)

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: Zebo
LOL you can still buy socket A boards and CPU's and that's 5 years old!!! I would'nt worry. 939 will be here at least another year or two. Not only that I think you'll be surprsied how slow M2's "improvements" are since DDR 500 2-2-2 is currently supported and flies with those tight timings. DDR2 aint all that as shown with intel. And AMD is not bandwidth straved in first place. If you need proof go look at some 3400 vs 3800 reviews .. the 3400 with half the bandwidth hangs just fine w/ expensive 3800. And with DDR2 AMD will lose some latency..will bandwidth make it up? I doubt it..certainly not competeing with UTT @ 250-275 2-2-2 - or anything like that.

2-2-3-6 at DDR2 667 is def an improvement over 2-2-2-X with UTT at DDR 550

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: Zebo
LOL you can still buy socket A boards and CPU's and that's 5 years old!!! I would'nt worry. 939 will be here at least another year or two. Not only that I think you'll be surprsied how slow M2's "improvements" are since DDR 500 2-2-2 is currently supported and flies with those tight timings. DDR2 aint all that as shown with intel. And AMD is not bandwidth straved in first place. If you need proof go look at some 3400 vs 3800 reviews .. the 3400 with half the bandwidth hangs just fine w/ expensive 3800. And with DDR2 AMD will lose some latency..will bandwidth make it up? I doubt it..certainly not competeing with UTT @ 250-275 2-2-2 - or anything like that.

2-2-3-6 at DDR2 667 is def an improvement over 2-2-2-X with UTT at DDR 550

How you figure? DDR runs full speed both internal and external. DDR2 is half speed on one..

DDR2 667 you discribed/4*3 = DDR500 with worse timings.

 

[Tbirdkid]

this is the reason i have stayed socket 754.

 

[Maximilian]

Originally posted by: Tbirdkid
this is the reason i have stayed socket 754.

Yes, long live 754!

 

[BlingBlingArsch]

lolz.

but speaking of upgrade paths. honestly, are there any for S939? Dual core are not made for gamers in the first place so i wouldnt call them a real upgrade for most.
And a person who bought and oced a 3000+@2.5ghz when it first came out a year ago, what kind of upgrade is there for him? The result seems to be: buy the cheapest, good ocer Cpu and wait for the next socket. There are no upgrade paths.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

There is no such thing as "future proofing", that term really needs to die. Motherboards hardly stray from their price base (~$100), they're a critical part of the system and they see improvements just as much (if not moreso) than any other part of the computer. If you're willing to invest in CPU upgrades down the road you should really consider motherboards into that equation.

Its one of the quirks with overclocking. You might need to buy a more expensive motherboard than your avg joe, or perhaps a new one all together, but finding the right one and the right chip can save you from spending hundreds on a top of the line CPU - as you can get that performance from a 3000+ or Opty 165.

I guess I just don't understand the complaint about socket longevity, because it isn't necessarily cost that I can see as the biggest let down for me, it would be the hassle of installing the new motherboard. Otherwise I don't see how it can be so hard to accept that performance improvements might require platform improvements...

M2 migth not make sense based on performance speculation what with DDR2's dissadvantages, but DDR2 is cheaper to manufacture and is easier to package in larger quantities. We might not have faster ram, but we'll have more GB of it and for cheaper to boot. 4GB and beyond won't be out of reach as we'll have larger capacity sticks at reasonable prices (finally, a good reason to have a 64bit chip) - you won't be able to get that with s939.

 

[wseyller]

Isn't there are motherboard for about $60 to $70 that has not only both agp and pci express but also the ability to add a daughter card that will run a M2 processor with different memory slots on the same daughter card.

 

[wseyller]

I found it.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813157081

 

[RichUK]

I think M2 has a lot of influence from the new MS OS **Vista**, as this is going to be an OS that has been built from the bottom up to operate at 64bit, you will then be looking at the ability to support more RAM which is always a growing requirement with software these days.

Perhaps DDR2 can provide high capacity DIMM modules (a 4 gig stick etc), that is a benefit along with being an industry standard, because being an industry standard means that more companies will spend more on R&D to reduce latencies on the IC's to the stage where we are at now (BH5 for example).

However at the moment with the current day standard of DDR2, there is no performance increase with regards to latency, and the main thing to mention is that AMD do not require the use of high bandwidth memory. I still think its in part AMD?s idea to reduce the ability of Overclocks on lower end chips, with the use of the lower multi on M2.

Im not overly interested in M2. I still cant see what it is going to produce for enthusiast Overclockers.

 

[biostud]

The price for a new motherboard is not that much. Personally I dont see the need for much more CPU power in the near future, compared to GPU and PPU power which will be available for all PCIe compatible boards. When you can run a dualcore @ 2.6Ghz on a s939 what do you expect to gain from a new socket that renders s939 useless?

The first socket A boards also only supported SD-ram and didn't support the newest Athlons, so even though socket A was around for longer time the first boards didn't work with the last socket A CPU's, and was also severely limited by slow chipsets (pre nForce2 era)