939 - Buy Venice or wait for Opteron?

[grimlykindo]

I'm looking to spend under $300, so a venice 3200,3500 looks pretty good, but the Opterons have L2, which is a very good thing.

I will be overclocking it on a DFI Nf4 ultra-d with some OCZ 2x1GB platinum

So how much better is the opteron (144/146) than the venice?

Is it worth waiting for?

 

[the Chase]

From what I've read yes its worth waiting for. For your price range I would go for the 146.(That's what I'm trying to line up now.) The potential for 3Ghz on air cooling for a $200 processor lured me away from the X2's.

 

[MBrown]

Originally posted by: the Chase
From what I've read yes its worth waiting for. For your price range I would go for the 146.(That's what I'm trying to line up now.) The potential for 3Ghz on air cooling for a $200 processor lured me away from the X2's.

You also be able to get dual core 939 opterons

 

[the Chase]

Mmmm dual core opterons- the left side of my brain is pulling out the credit card while the right side is pulling out the bills to be paid.

 

[Fallengod]

Originally posted by: the Chase
Mmmm dual core opterons- the left side of my brain is pulling out the credit card while the right side is pulling out the bills to be paid.

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT! FIGHT!!!! Get him left!

 

[jinx099]

Opteron 144

WOW, this makes me feel like a huge sucker. I just bought my Venice 3000+ 3 weeks ago for the SAME price.

Anyone have any opteron vs Venice benches?

 

[1Dark1Sharigan1]

Originally posted by: jinx099
Opteron 144

WOW, this makes me feel like a huge sucker. I just bought my Venice 3000+ 3 weeks ago for the SAME price.

Anyone have any opteron vs Venice benches?

I would think that Opteron would win at same frequencies because of the extra L2 cache . . .

 

[Maluno]

To^^^, how would the oc'ing ability of the two chips compare, though?

 

[Hyperlite]

Originally posted by: Maluno
To^^^, how would the oc'ing ability of the two chips compare, though?

The opteron 144 uses the SH8-E4 core, the same one as the FX57. theres your answer.

 

[xenolith]

Originally posted by: Hyperlite

Originally posted by: Maluno
To^^^, how would the oc'ing ability of the two chips compare, though?

The opteron 144 uses the SH8-E4 core, the same one as the FX57. theres your answer.

Actually, it looks like it may depend on what stepping, as usual.

CABNE = FX57
CABGE = SD 3700+/4000+

Early indications are that the CABGE is maxing out @ ~2.8ghz w/good air cooling. Still not too bad for ~$160.

 

[the Chase]

Hey xenolith, I just started playing around with a 146 opty. And of course I only really paid attention to the week(0530) and was sure I had the great stepping.Now I'm hearing about the CABGE stepping and kicking myself for not just taking a photo of the dam thing because it is now installed and I have no clue as to CABNE or CABGE! Do you know if they made a CABGE in the 0530 week or are my odds good its a CABNE with that date??

Currently just getting to 2.95 Ghz at 1.5volts on air.(Fails Prime at 3 Ghz- going to do some burning in before pushing more volts).

 

[Mucker]

What mobo Chase?

 

[xenolith]

Originally posted by: the Chase
Hey xenolith, I just started playing around with a 146 opty. And of course I only really paid attention to the week(0530) and was sure I had the great stepping.Now I'm hearing about the CABGE stepping and kicking myself for not just taking a photo of the dam thing because it is now installed and I have no clue as to CABNE or CABGE! Do you know if they made a CABGE in the 0530 week or are my odds good its a CABNE with that date??

Currently just getting to 2.95 Ghz at 1.5volts on air.(Fails Prime at 3 Ghz- going to do some burning in before pushing more volts).

You have a "magic 0530" which is very likely a CABNE. Nice work. :beer:

What kind of cooling? What's your temps like?

 

[keeleysam]

Originally posted by: jinx099
Opteron 144

WOW, this makes me feel like a huge sucker. I just bought my Venice 3000+ 3 weeks ago for the SAME price.

Anyone have any opteron vs Venice benches?

In Stock : Please Call

 

[the Chase]

Originally posted by: xenolith

Originally posted by: the Chase
Hey xenolith, I just started playing around with a 146 opty. And of course I only really paid attention to the week(0530) and was sure I had the great stepping.Now I'm hearing about the CABGE stepping and kicking myself for not just taking a photo of the dam thing because it is now installed and I have no clue as to CABNE or CABGE! Do you know if they made a CABGE in the 0530 week or are my odds good its a CABNE with that date??

Currently just getting to 2.95 Ghz at 1.5volts on air.(Fails Prime at 3 Ghz- going to do some burning in before pushing more volts).

You have a "magic 0530" which is very likely a CABNE. Nice work. :beer:

What kind of cooling? What's your temps like?

All right!! Thanks xenolith!!
I had to go with the Neo 2-F to reuse 6600GT agp. Wish I had the $ for pci and DFI.
For cooling I have the Big Thyphoon.
Temps are 33-34C idle and 40-42C under load. Trying to walk it up to 3 ghz ti will hit 2.95 at both 1.45 and 1.5 volts but 3 is no go at both.

 

[whorush]

if you guys are giong to spend a few hundred on a CPU then i cant see how you cant get dual core. i say venice 3000 and the next step is X2 3800, nothing in between.

 

[xenolith]

It's a Venice 3000 or X2 3800, and nothing in between? come on...

The s939 Opty 144 retail is $150-$160 USD shipped - about the same price as a venice 3000+.

Plus, these s939 optys look to be using better silicon then the venice, allowing more mhz headroom. Heck, some steppings have the same core as an FX!

Plus, it really can't be compared to a venice because the s939 optys (like the SD an FX) have 1MB cache instead of 512K cache.

Plus, with the venice 3000+, it seems only the rev E-3 0517-19 could o/c to ~2.8ghz, the rest o/c ~2.5-2.6GHz. All indications show even the lower rung CABGE 144 can reach at least 2.8ghz.

Your right, the X2 is better - for multi-tasking and for future multi-thread apps and hardware driver sets (yes I know about Nvidia's so called multi-thread graphics driver). But for today's gamers, these higher clocked single core s939 CPUs are still king at a fraction of the cost of an X2.

Have I missed anything?

 

[the Chase]

Nope- I need that xtra $150 to use towards a vid card and new mobo when the R580/G80 comes out-and right now all I really do is game and surf,etc. with no multitasking. Next year I do hope to upgarde to an X2 though-Hopefully by then they will have a 3400 model out that I can oc to 4200+ speeds.

 

[Mucker]

I still don't understand how AMD can give you better silicon, 1MB cache, and superb OC potential on air at lower $$$ than their other single chip offerings. Prices are going to get interesting because of Mr. Opy...

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