911 video conspiracy technical

[Bushman5]

http://gprime.net/flash.php/911pentagonstrikeconspiracy#Main

Ok well i im not from america but a friend showded me this so maby we can discuss it see if any 1 can comment if this theory is even possible and why would people cover it up if so

 

[CTho9305]

This isn't really highly technical.... but anyway, if this is the clip I think it is, they show some camera pictures and show what looks like a small airplane. They missed the real plane...
http://ctho.ath.cx/tmp/pentagon_clip_zoomed_757.png
http://ctho.ath.cx/tmp/pentagon_clip_zoomed_757_big.png

 

No, it does not hold any water. Do some research into the properties of fire, explosions, and the strength of reenforced concrete versus airplane aluminum, and you will see WHY there wasnt much in the way of debrie and why there wasnt a huge hole in the side of the pentagon (bigger than it was). I normal fire can reach 2000-3000 degrees F. A fire fueled by jet fuel will reach temperatures much much higher than that.

 

[Bushman5]

and why is every phot so hard to make out ? and where did the plane go after

 

[Bushman5]

but wouldnt certain part still be whole like a tip of a wing or something ?

 

Simply put, the plane disintegrated. Aluminum has a melting point of 660C, and fire that resulted from the plane probably produced 1.5 to 2 times that amount of heat for a significant period of time. Furthermore, you are talking about Aluminum, that while a strong metal for its weight, is very mallible and easily malnipulated. The design of the aircraft itself isn't exactly made for head on collision survival. It's designed to survive the pressure changes in the atmosphere as well as the stress of taking off and landing.

You also have to take into account the plane crashes many are used to seeing. They are spread out over a wide area in an open field or even a forest. Very little can be missed in that setting, as anything metal is out of place. Also, there isn't anything to contain the heat produced from a fire. The Pentagon is a perfect structure to contain the sheer amount of heat produced, and contribute to the burn from the materals it is made out of.

This argument of metal melting, or even burning away also applies to the wings. But we must also take into account the wings folding back or crumpling upon impact with the structure of the pentagon. The force of the impact of the wing would be spread out over the entire span of it, unlike the fuselage, which at least as the front of the aircraft to concentrate all the force on, hence you had the penetration that occured.

Look, we are talking about a deflagration/explosion followed by a high intensity fire on metals that easily melt and are mallible. Simply put, the physics alone dictate that few, if any remains of the plane could be found.

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: Bushman5
but wouldnt certain part still be whole like a tip of a wing or something ?

Not necessarily. Another thing people pointed to is that not many windows on the pentagon were broken near the hole. What you don't hear often--particularly from the conspiracy theorists--is that the Pentagon's windows are all *blast-resistant* glass.

Jason

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Bushman5
http://gprime.net/flash.php/911pentagonstrikeconspiracy#Main

Ok well i im not from america but a friend showded me this so maby we can discuss it see if any 1 can comment if this theory is even possible and why would people cover it up if so

omg not this again.

 

[TuxDave]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Bushman5
http://gprime.net/flash.php/911pentagonstrikeconspiracy#Main

Ok well i im not from america but a friend showded me this so maby we can discuss it see if any 1 can comment if this theory is even possible and why would people cover it up if so

omg not this again.

Hahaha.... I was saying the same things you were except at that time they were showing all the "We didn't land on the moon" theories.

 

[Markbnj]

[but wouldnt certain part still be whole like a tip of a wing or something ?]

No. The forces are of a magnitude that you can't imagine, because you have no frame of reference. You have to look at pictures, and read case reports, and eventually you just force your brain to acknowlege that an entire aircraft can simply disappear into pieces too small for the passing newscamera to catch.

 

[iwantanewcomputer]

if the us government were going to fake this they could afford to do some research and figure out if debries would be left behind...and then fake that too

 

[The Boston Dangler]

Moderators, please give this the boot.

 

[IronWing]

If you are looking for a something to really set your mind awondering contemplate the cell phone calls made from the plane over Pennsylvania. Calculate how many successful tower jumps the calls had to make while transmitting through the belly of a plane, a minimum of five miles from the nearest tower.

 

[CrispyFried]

OP that aluminum plane hit reinforced concrete at serveral hundred mph. Do the math..

 

[jordanz]

Math: Plane hits reinforced concrete at several hundred mph. Fire burns at 2x the heat due to the jet fuel. So therefore, a REALLY small hole was only made because well, "the damn concrete just took the plane out" and there was no trace of the plane found cause the fire demolished EVERYTHING. Well come on now, you and I know that when there's a fire, theres always something left and the fire should have been bigger anyways because of the amount of jet fuel. Some sh!t just don't burn.

 

[Markbnj]

[Some sh!t just don't burn.]

Really? You have just ushered in a revolution in material science.

 

Originally posted by: jordanz
Math: Plane hits reinforced concrete at several hundred mph. Fire burns at 2x the heat due to the jet fuel. So therefore, a REALLY small hole was only made because well, "the damn concrete just took the plane out" and there was no trace of the plane found cause the fire demolished EVERYTHING. Well come on now, you and I know that when there's a fire, theres always something left and the fire should have been bigger anyways because of the amount of jet fuel. Some sh!t just don't burn.

Everything has a melting point and a flash point. You sir, have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[jordanz]

Obviously not. But also, if the fire was so f_ckin blazin like crazy.. why did just that little sh!t point get burned? Don't tell me the fire just couldn't spread?

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: jordanz
Obviously not. But also, if the fire was so f_ckin blazin like crazy.. why did just that little sh!t point get burned? Don't tell me the fire just couldn't spread?

the man has a small point

 

[0marTheZealot]

If you want real conspiracy ****** go read Crossing the Rubicon, instead of trying to pass off your knowledge of materials and structures.

 

[xanis]

This is ridiculous. It's simple common sense. A planes, carrying an imense amount of high-octane jet fuel, crashed in to a building. Just how hot do you think that fire got? Fvckin crazy hot. Of course the plane would disentegrate, it's COMMON SENSE. I challenge you to find me a civilian aircraft that is made of materials strong enough to withstand 3000-degree heat. Furthermore, if the attacks/crashes were coordinated like we were told, then what you are saying is that the videos and the people that saw the airplanes crash into the WTC, are lying? We've seen the videos of the WTC attack. There was not whole plane there. It's common sense. The plane disentegrated due to extremely high temperatures. There's nothing highly technincal about this.