90's on core i5 cpu temp. is that bad?

[merk]

core i5 2500, not overclocked, stock cpu cooler

I decided to check the cpu temps when my cpu is under load (running handbrake to convert a video). all four cores are pretty much at 100% when that's running. I downloaded both core temp and cpuid hardware monitor. Both of them are saying the cores are running at between 90-98c (for some reason the 4th core always runs almost 10 c cooler then the first 2 cores).

I'm guessing this is bad. I looked online and it looks like the max temp for the cpu should be 72c. Is that correct? The stock cpu cooler can't be that bad, can it? I did not add any thermal paste when i installed it since it already had some pre-applied. Should i try picking up some thermal paste and cleaning off whats there and re-applying it? Or is the stock cpu just that bad? if so, what cooler should i replace it with? I dont plan on overclocking. I'd rather have a quiet cpu cooler that works for stock speeds then a loud one for overclocking. I'd also prefer one that's more likely to fit in the case

If it matters, the case is a thermaltake v3 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811133094
and mobo is gigabyte GA-Z68MA-D2H-B3 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128495
and cpu is core i5 2500, not overclocked

Thanks

 

[paperwastage]

did you put on the cooler on tight enough? could be a reason

the stock cooler at stock speeds will hit around 70, but shouldn't be going anywhere near 100

 

[blackened23]

Yeah 90+ is definitely danger zone. My first reacion is that I know stock HSF is bad, but I wouldn't think its THAT bad. Make another effort to make sure its seated properly, remove the old thermal compound and reapply a bit more and reseat it.

If that doesn't work out well a new cooler will definitely give you peace of mine though, CPU degradation will definitely occur at those temps so get it fixed asap.

 

[merk]

i did have a bit of trouble getting the cooler pins to seat properly when i was mounting the cooler. I didn't want to push too hard on the mobo while seating them.

I guess i'll pick up a tube of thermal paste and try re-seating it. At least at idle it's ok - showing about 45c at idle

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

core i5 2500, not overclocked, stock cpu cooler

I decided to check the cpu temps when my cpu is under load (running handbrake to convert a video). all four cores are pretty much at 100% when that's running. I downloaded both core temp and cpuid hardware monitor. Both of them are saying the cores are running at between 90-98c (for some reason the 4th core always runs almost 10 c cooler then the first 2 cores).

I'm guessing this is bad. I looked online and it looks like the max temp for the cpu should be 72c. Is that correct? The stock cpu cooler can't be that bad, can it? I did not add any thermal paste when i installed it since it already had some pre-applied. Should i try picking up some thermal paste and cleaning off whats there and re-applying it? Or is the stock cpu just that bad? if so, what cooler should i replace it with? I dont plan on overclocking. I'd rather have a quiet cpu cooler that works for stock speeds then a loud one for overclocking. I'd also prefer one that's more likely to fit in the case

If it matters, the case is a thermaltake v3 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811133094
and mobo is gigabyte GA-Z68MA-D2H-B3 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128495
and cpu is core i5 2500, not overclocked

Thanks

Yes, yes it is. The max you want to go for long-term use (5+ years) on Sandy Bridge is around 80C max temps. You should first try re-seating the stock cooler and see if temps change. If not, it's because your case doesn't have enough airflow. You can also buy a cheap-but-very-good CPU cooler, something like a Corsair A50 or a Cooler Master Hyper 212+. Another option is to buy two case fans. This 120mm fan is PWM-controlled and seems to have good airflow, and only costs $12+ shipping for a pair.

Weighting in on the options, the air coolers will have a much bigger effect, but they also cost more. The Corsair A50 costs less, has better heat dissipation (will drop temps more), and is quieter overall than the Hyper 212+. The only downside is it doesn't have a PWN fan, but it includes the option to run it at either high speed (moderate noise) or low (almost silent). Unless you can't buy from Amazon, I recommend you get the Corsair A50 if you'll go that route. As for the case fans, you want to maximize intake and exhaust of air. How you go about this is by having around the same amount of fans intaking cool air from the front, the bottom and the side (if it has the option) as you would other fans exhausting it out the back and the top (if the case has top exhausts, that is).

 

[merk]

if the size amazon lists for the a50 is correct, there's no way it'll fit in my case. The case has a max width of 7.5 inches, and that's before i mount the mobo.

I'm not even 100% certain the 212 will fit - i think it just might, but i need to open the case and measure inside to be certain.

I'll double check the mounting pins for the cooler to be certain they all firmly locked in place.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

if the size amazon lists for the a50 is correct, there's no way it'll fit in my case. The case has a max width of 7.5 inches, and that's before i mount the mobo.

I'm not even 100% certain the 212 will fit - i think it just might, but i need to open the case and measure inside to be certain.

I'll double check the mounting pins for the cooler to be certain they all firmly locked in place.

The Corsair A50 has a height of 6.3 inches. It'll fit.

 

[merk]

The Corsair A50 has a height of 6.3 inches. It'll fit.

are you sure about that? the size spec on amazon has it much larger then that.

anyhow, i'm wondering if either i'm doing something wrong or if there's something broken. I can not get the cpu fan mounted firmly. It looks like it's mounted, but if i pull on one of the 4 pins, they'll come off from the motherboard pretty easily.

I'm pushing the pins down pretty hard, and then while pushing them down with a screw driver, i'm turning them clockwise. But they just wont lock in place - a not too hard tug pulls them out.

if i pick up the 212 (a50 isn''t carried by frys) would it be more likely to install properly?

 

[blackened23]

are you sure about that? the size spec on amazon has it much larger then that.

anyhow, i'm wondering if either i'm doing something wrong or if there's something broken. I can not get the cpu fan mounted firmly. It looks like it's mounted, but if i pull on one of the 4 pins, they'll come off from the motherboard pretty easily.

I'm pushing the pins down pretty hard, and then while pushing them down with a screw driver, i'm turning them clockwise. But they just wont lock in place - a not too hard tug pulls them out.

if i pick up the 212 (a50 isn''t carried by frys) would it be more likely to install properly?

Probably, the 212 has a completely different method of mounting than the stock HSF. It doesn't use the rotational pins that the stock HSF has.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

are you sure about that? the size spec on amazon has it much larger then that.

anyhow, i'm wondering if either i'm doing something wrong or if there's something broken. I can not get the cpu fan mounted firmly. It looks like it's mounted, but if i pull on one of the 4 pins, they'll come off from the motherboard pretty easily.

I'm pushing the pins down pretty hard, and then while pushing them down with a screw driver, i'm turning them clockwise. But they just wont lock in place - a not too hard tug pulls them out.

if i pick up the 212 (a50 isn''t carried by frys) would it be more likely to install properly?

Product dimensions on Amazon is just referring to the packaging. The heatsink itself is 159.5mm x 124.6mm x 81.2mm, so it'll fit easily.

Both the Corsair A50 and the Cooler Master Hyper 212+ use mounting back-plates instead of push pins. Those secure the heatsink much better than push pins.

Also, I don't recommend you buy the 212+ for anything more than $30.

 

[notty22]

Here is a handy instruction for installing the push pins, it
shows you how to reset or make sure the swivel inner part is oriented correctly.
http://www.intel.com/support/processors/sb/CS-032036.htm

 

[merk]

Product dimensions on Amazon is just referring to the packaging. The heatsink itself is 159.5mm x 124.6mm x 81.2mm, so it'll fit easily.

Both the Corsair A50 and the Cooler Master Hyper 212+ use mounting back-plates instead of push pins. Those secure the heatsink much better than push pins.

Also, I don't recommend you buy the 212+ for anything more than $30.

frys actually has it for $2 cheaper then amazon amazingly enough. although after tax it'll come out to the same price.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

frys actually has it for $2 cheaper then amazon amazingly enough. although after tax it'll come out to the same price.

If it's more convenient to you, get the Hyper 212+ then. It's still a HUGE upgrade from the stock heatsink. Since your case probably comes with an exhaust fan, though, if you can find a cheap 120mm fan to use for intake that would probably help your temps by a good amount, too.

 

[merk]

Here is a handy instruction for installing the push pins, it
shows you how to reset or make sure the swivel inner part is oriented correctly.
http://www.intel.com/support/processors/sb/CS-032036.htm

i think i am an idiot. I thought i had to turn them in the direction of the arrow to lock them in place. according those instructions, i was doing the opposite when i was turning them - i was releasing them. i just did it the correct way and the temps were much better - hovering at around 69-70. I think i'll leave it with the stock cooler for now and keep an eye on the temps - if they go much past 70, i'll think about picking up the 212 or a50

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

i think i am an idiot. I thought i had to turn them in the direction of the arrow to lock them in place. according those instructions, i was doing the opposite when i was turning them - i was releasing them. i just did it the correct way and the temps were much better - hovering at around 69-70. I think i'll leave it with the stock cooler for now and keep an eye on the temps - if they go much past 70, i'll think about picking up the 212 or a50

LMAO.

Looks like your temps are now 10C or more lower. As long as it doesn't pass around 80C on full load, you're good to go.

 

[grkM3]

LMAO.

Looks like your temps are now 10C or more lower. As long as it doesn't pass around 80C on full load, you're good to go.

can you please show me where intel says that going past 80c is bad for the chip?

I am willing to be you that a stock 2500 will hit 90c with a perfectly mounted stock heat sink and even an open case if one was to run linx64 with max threads and 6gb of ram.

even a stock clocked chip will hit higher than 80c and btw I just got my 2600k to finally throttle itself when it hit 98c,I wanted to see what happens and see what intel has setup to protect the cpu.

It basically drops 3 multys until the temp drops to 97c and then will clock right back up.

It didnt shut down the system or make anywarning beeps,it throttled without even me knowing it.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

can you please show me where intel says that going past 80c is bad for the chip?

I am willing to be you that a stock 2500 will hit 90c with a perfectly mounted stock heat sink and even an open case if one was to run linx64 with max threads and 6gb of ram.

even a stock clocked chip will hit higher than 80c and btw I just got my 2600k to finally throttle itself when it hit 98c,I wanted to see what happens and see what intel has setup to protect the cpu.

It basically drops 3 multys until the temp drops to 97c and then will clock right back up.

It didnt shut down the system or make anywarning beeps,it throttled without even me knowing it.

They don't. All they list is the max temp the CPU should run at any given time. For long term use more than 80C will cause degradation.

 

[grkM3]

They don't. All they list is the max temp the CPU should run at any given time. For long term use more than 80C will cause degradation.

that is 100% false,intel has a tmax set to throttle at 98c,degration will come from high clocks and WAY over volting.

intel specs the 2500 to run at full turbo,full load all the way up to 97c before the chip will clock down amd I believe they come up with that number for doing that for what 5 years straight? or was it 10,not sure but Im sure you know what it is.

try telling the guy that paid 4k for the 10 core xeon chip that he cant run the cpu at max load with stock cooler.

please stop spreading false info since a stock intel chip will hit over 80c with the heatsink they provide if you load it up with linx64.

what your basically saying is that the stock heatsink will degrade the cpu.

 

[merk]

can you please show me where intel says that going past 80c is bad for the chip?

I am willing to be you that a stock 2500 will hit 90c with a perfectly mounted stock heat sink and even an open case if one was to run linx64 with max threads and 6gb of ram.

even a stock clocked chip will hit higher than 80c and btw I just got my 2600k to finally throttle itself when it hit 98c,I wanted to see what happens and see what intel has setup to protect the cpu.

It basically drops 3 multys until the temp drops to 97c and then will clock right back up.

It didnt shut down the system or make anywarning beeps,it throttled without even me knowing it.

I didnt use linx64 but i was running handbrake which had all 4 cores maxed out and the cpu temp was staying at around 70c, with the case closed up.

I'll do a google search for linx and give it a try and let you know what temps i reach.

 

[merk]

actually, can you give me a link to linx64? I assume this is some sort of bench-marking program?

 

[grkM3]

I didnt use linx64 but i was running handbrake which had all 4 cores maxed out and the cpu temp was staying at around 70c, with the case closed up.

I'll do a google search for linx and give it a try and let you know what temps i reach.

linx64 will most def heat that chip up way more than handbrake,you can also download intel burn test,its what intel uses to max stress there cpus for stability testing.

pick as many threads as your cpu has and use as much ram as your system has installed and watch how close you get to 90c

 

[grkM3]

here is a link for linx

http://www.mediafire.com/?0vh82dnirx8cl44

 

[Rifter]

actually, can you give me a link to linx64? I assume this is some sort of bench-marking program?

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?201670-LinX-A-simple-Linpack-interface

 

[merk]

I just tried intel burn test for about 5 minutes or so - i just set the stress level to max and let it run. It completed one run and was in it's 2nd run when i stopped it. highest temp i saw was 84.

but using these to test the cpu seems a little unrealistic, unless there are applications out there that might stress the cpu in the same way. I'd rather stress the cpu under what it might normally get stressed with - gaming, video editing etc and see what the temp reaches.

 

[blackened23]

that is 100% false,intel has a tmax set to throttle at 98c,degration will come from high clocks and WAY over volting.

intel specs the 2500 to run at full turbo,full load all the way up to 97c before the chip will clock down amd I believe they come up with that number for doing that for what 5 years straight? or was it 10,not sure but Im sure you know what it is.

try telling the guy that paid 4k for the 10 core xeon chip that he cant run the cpu at max load with stock cooler.

please stop spreading false info since a stock intel chip will hit over 80c with the heatsink they provide if you load it up with linx64.

what your basically saying is that the stock heatsink will degrade the cpu.

I apologize in advance but I almost wish your CPU would fry so you would realize how crazy you sound.

Seriously, you think nothing is wrong with running 90+C 24/7 just because of auto throttle?