90nm?? what does this mean at monarch?

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imported_SLIM

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Originally posted by: BlueD0T
anyone have any benchmarks for the 90nm vs. 130.... and heat diff... i have been hearing things and i would like to know from someone who really owns one :)


Here's a link from amdzone:
http://babelfish.altavista.com...%2fhwdb%2f90na64-1.htm

They say that it is a simple die shrink with lower voltage but slightly higher temps but failed to mention how it overclocks. Anybody know if somebody more local (ie english as a first language) has tried overclocking these chips.

SLIM
 

Glavinsolo

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funny... How do I differentiate between the codes on the chip because that is what my question asked.
 

BlueD0T

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cuz the damn title says AMD Athlon 64 3200+ 512K 90nm (939)

i think he is wanting to know how to read the model number. (maybe he does not beleave its really a 90nm)

 

BlueD0T

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They say that it is a simple die shrink with lower voltage but slightly higher temps but failed to mention how it overclocks. Anybody know if somebody more local (ie english as a first language) has tried overclocking these chips.

SLIM

I dont beleave that. a die shrink means lower voltage and lower temps.

 

Robor

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Originally posted by: dennisjai215
wow the price dropped thats to the 20% i asked for!
Son of a... I purchased mine last week and it was $208. The price shot up to $225 and I thought I got a good deal. Now it drops to $199 and I feel screwed... :disgust:
 

dennisjai215

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Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: dennisjai215
wow the price dropped thats to the 20% i asked for!
Son of a... I purchased mine last week and it was $208. The price shot up to $225 and I thought I got a good deal. Now it drops to $199 and I feel screwed... :disgust:

well it was 190 a bit earlier =p
 

GlobalHPSJoe

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Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Jeez, I get freakin dizzy watching Monarch's prices bobbing up and down like this. There's probably just one jump over-caffeinated sales guy overthinking everything.

You've met my purchasing manager? ;)

I really don't have much to do with pricing myself, but as with any new item you'll see it bounce around as we try to feel out the market / supply on it.

It'll eventually balance out, but as always, if its low, jump on it.
 

GlobalHPSJoe

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Originally posted by: clarkey01
you'd think prices would go down for the fx 53 too, the FX 55 has been churned out for the last 9 weeks, so it should be out soon, Oct 11th a "Friend" tells me....

You really won't see FX chips drop that low in price, due to their limited life on the market. AMD's goal is to always keep the FX series current and exclusive.
 

BF04

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Purchased mine at $233 :/ on Saturday. I called them today when I saw it drop and since it shipped today they gave me a credit back, it wasnot the full amount but enought that I didnot cancel and they upped my shipping, I was happy.

Should have it on Wed. of course I havenot decided what MB to use yet, hey DFI release that socket 939! :)
 

imported_SLIM

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Originally posted by: BlueD0T

They say that it is a simple die shrink with lower voltage but slightly higher temps but failed to mention how it overclocks. Anybody know if somebody more local (ie english as a first language) has tried overclocking these chips.

SLIM

I dont beleave that. a die shrink means lower voltage and lower temps.

Hey smart guy, ever heard of the Prescott?? JJ man :) Die shrink with lower voltages and hot as hell. It's a lot more complicated than what you stated... leakage currents, yadda yadda blah blah... I'm not an electrical engineer, but don't dismiss the reviews just because you don't understand.

SLIM
 

eVaoVe

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These are OEM chips without the HSF right? Do any coolers such as the Zalman AlCu work with it? Also for those that are buying now how are you going to cool it?
 

MDE

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Originally posted by: eVaoVe
These are OEM chips without the HSF right? Do any coolers such as the Zalman AlCu work with it? Also for those that are buying now how are you going to cool it?
1) Most likely
2) Yes, any Athlon 64 (Socket 754, 939, 940) heatsink will work just fine
 

Kruse

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Got one these saved and 'quoted' for $190 =D

But I cant decide what mobo to get with it =/
 

aka1nas

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Originally posted by: SLIM
Originally posted by: BlueD0T

They say that it is a simple die shrink with lower voltage but slightly higher temps but failed to mention how it overclocks. Anybody know if somebody more local (ie english as a first language) has tried overclocking these chips.

SLIM

I dont beleave that. a die shrink means lower voltage and lower temps.

Hey smart guy, ever heard of the Prescott?? JJ man :) Die shrink with lower voltages and hot as hell. It's a lot more complicated than what you stated... leakage currents, yadda yadda blah blah... I'm not an electrical engineer, but don't dismiss the reviews just because you don't understand.

SLIM

The very first stepping of the first .13 micron AthlonXP was like that also(the thoroughbred "A"), give them a month or two to release a new stepping of the .09 chips and those will probably run a lot cooler. Also it depends on whether the site was reviewing an early pre production sample and whether or not it was running at a similar clockspeed and voltage as a .13 micron athlon64.
 

BlueD0T

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A die shrink only. when there are no architecture changes associated . the processors will function the same... just smaller, faster and cooler. thats just a fact. so with the few changer that amd made to the CPU (like SSE3) it should not produce enuf heat to be more than the .130
 

Carv

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There is a review of the 3000+ 90nm at www.amdzone.com

It's pretty clear that the 130nm is superior in performance due to its higher clock speed, but the 90nm gives you the better upgrade path. If only amd had released them at the same speed the 939 would have been be competitive for the price. sigh.

Opps didnt see the other thread, someone beat me to it :D
 

Elcs

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Originally posted by: MonarchJoe
Originally posted by: dennisjai215
Originally posted by: Elcs
Originally posted by: dennisjai215
wow the price dropped thats to the 20% i asked for!

What are you waiting for? ASK AGAIN! :p

*waves magic wand* JOEEEE give me a free FX53!

I'll jump right on it after I get mine.

(Goes home to kick his 1.33 Athlon)

Cool, put me down for a freebie too :p

I dont think chips like water, especially the amount of salt water it'd need to pass to get here :p
 

aka1nas

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Originally posted by: BlueD0T
A die shrink only. when there are no architecture changes associated . the processors will function the same... just smaller, faster and cooler. thats just a fact. so with the few changer that amd made to the CPU (like SSE3) it should not produce enuf heat to be more than the .130

If everything works right yes. Usually there are quirks associated with a new process and it takes them a bit to iron them out. Also, even with what is essentially a die shrink the core will be laid out somewhat differently and there are other things to worry about like gate leakage that are often associated when moving to smaller processes. Maybe pm or Wingnut can offer some more details on this.