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90% of guns in Mexican drug war from U.S. is inaccurate.

Fear No Evil

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The Myth of 90 Percent

The number is closer to 17% according to the ATF. The 90% # came from guns which were TRACABLE as guns possibly being from the United States. It does not include guns which are obviously NOT coming from here. When you factor in ALL the guns, not just the ones tracable, its more like 17%.

Its a damn shame that people like Hilary use statistics like this that are complete BULLSHIT to make their point. I think its probably clear she was given this mis-information and ran with it.. who knows if she knew it was BS or not.. but if the # were accurate, I'm sure she would not have been saying the 17% number.

Wrong facts like these, as this forum proves, makes people think that we need to ban guns here. And I believe thats why Hilary and others used the statistic when they probably knew it was FUD. I bet it will CONTINUE to be used even though its FUD. Its just another way to try to take away our rights.
 

daniel49

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yeah saw this on the news this morning.
Hillary much to busy blaming US to check her facts.
 

nobodyknows

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The drug cartels have billions of dollars. It doesn't matter where they get their guns because they will get them if they want them.
 

spidey07

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Good article and full of facts. You're right however that the agenda will continue to use this "stat".
 

dphantom

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Originally posted by: nobodyknows
The drug cartels have billions of dollars. It doesn't matter where they get their guns because they will get them if they want them.
Not if we outlaw guns. /s
 

Genx87

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I dont see anybody talking the fact guns are outlawed in Mexico either. An unamred populace and record crime. Surely a coincidence!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It should be a test case for how easy it is for cartels to get weapons even when weapons are outlawed. They ship them in like they do drugs.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Der tryin' ta take 'ur guns!
Your knuckle dragging friends in congress and this administration were trying to use these false stats to take away the rights of Americans to purchase certain types of weapons.
 

dphantom

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Der tryin' ta take 'ur guns!
Your knuckle dragging friends in congress and this administration were trying to use these false stats to take away the rights of Americans to purchase certain types of weapons.
Yep, I'm getting my handgun permit next week. Glock 23 40 cal with hi cap mags.
Nice complement to my 30-06, 12 guage and a couple smaller rifles.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: dphantom
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Der tryin' ta take 'ur guns!
Your knuckle dragging friends in congress and this administration were trying to use these false stats to take away the rights of Americans to purchase certain types of weapons.
Yep, I'm getting my handgun permit next week. Glock P23 40 cal with hi cap mags.
Nice complement to my 30-06, 12 guage and a couple smaller rifles.
Waiting on my damned permit from the Sheriff. Then i get the S&W AR-15T I purchased 3 weeks ago. Already got my Eotech 557 + 3x mag. Like to hit the range this weekend and test it out.
 

nobodyknows

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Originally posted by: dphantom
Originally posted by: nobodyknows
The drug cartels have billions of dollars. It doesn't matter where they get their guns because they will get them if they want them.
Not if we outlaw guns. /s
You could outlaw all the guns in the world and the drug cartels would still have guns.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: nobodyknows
Originally posted by: dphantom
Originally posted by: nobodyknows
The drug cartels have billions of dollars. It doesn't matter where they get their guns because they will get them if they want them.
Not if we outlaw guns. /s
You could outlaw all the guns in the world and the drug cartels would still have guns.
I think the /s tag was sarcasm :D
 

dphantom

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Originally posted by: nobodyknows
Originally posted by: dphantom
Originally posted by: nobodyknows
The drug cartels have billions of dollars. It doesn't matter where they get their guns because they will get them if they want them.
Not if we outlaw guns. /s
You could outlaw all the guns in the world and the drug cartels would still have guns.
Exactly. That's why banning private ownership of firearms is absurd.
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: dphantom
Originally posted by: nobodyknows
The drug cartels have billions of dollars. It doesn't matter where they get their guns because they will get them if they want them.
Not if we outlaw guns. /s
you know what they should do? just outlaw drugs! that will put the drug cartels out of business!


 

Robor

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Originally posted by: dphantom
Originally posted by: nobodyknows
Originally posted by: dphantom
Originally posted by: nobodyknows
The drug cartels have billions of dollars. It doesn't matter where they get their guns because they will get them if they want them.
Not if we outlaw guns. /s
You could outlaw all the guns in the world and the drug cartels would still have guns.
Exactly. That's why banning private ownership of firearms is absurd.
Yep. Even if it might have been a solution in the past it's not a solution today because the toothpaste is already out of the tube.
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Der tryin' ta take 'ur guns!
Your knuckle dragging friends in congress and this administration were trying to use these false stats to take away the rights of Americans to purchase certain types of weapons.
The linked article mentions no such thing.
 

Zenmervolt

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Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: dphantom
Originally posted by: nobodyknows
The drug cartels have billions of dollars. It doesn't matter where they get their guns because they will get them if they want them.
Not if we outlaw guns. /s
you know what they should do? just outlaw drugs! that will put the drug cartels out of business!
I have an even better idea. We should outlaw murder! That would stop these cartels from killing people.

ZV
 

mugs

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The 17% number is nearly as flawed as the 90% number. They're excluding a lot of weapons that couldn't be traced at all, even if they're likely to have come from the US. It sounds like the true figure is likely somewhere between 17% and 29%, provided that they were correct in assuming that the 68% that were never submitted for tracing definitely didn't come from the US.

But what is the value of this number? What action should we take because of it? Should we restrict the rights of Americans because of what's happening in Mexico? No. We should investigate the dealers that these guns are coming from, because many of them are aware that the guns are going to be taken out of the country.
 
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Originally posted by: dphantom
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Der tryin' ta take 'ur guns!
Your knuckle dragging friends in congress and this administration were trying to use these false stats to take away the rights of Americans to purchase certain types of weapons.
Yep, I'm getting my handgun permit next week. Glock 23 40 cal with hi cap mags.
Nice complement to my 30-06, 12 guage and a couple smaller rifles.
Fine choice. I love my G23

I just ran across this article and this is what kills me, "But Tom Diaz, senior policy analyst at the Violence Policy Center, called the "90 percent" issue a red herring and said that it should not detract from the effort to stop gun trafficking into Mexico."
Damn the the facts. We have an agenda to push.!!!!

 
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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Der tryin' ta take 'ur guns!
Your knuckle dragging friends in congress and this administration were trying to use these false stats to take away the rights of Americans to purchase certain types of weapons.
The linked article mentions no such thing.
The linked article is about the "facts" the administration is using to prove their point. And it shows that the facts your leaders use are wrong. It just goes to show that they do not care one damn about the truth and American rights and liberties. They care about their agenda to passify and pussify America.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Fine choice. I love my G23

I just ran across this article and this is what kills me, "But Tom Diaz, senior policy analyst at the Violence Policy Center, called the "90 percent" issue a red herring and said that it should not detract from the effort to stop gun trafficking into Mexico."
Damn the the facts. We have an agenda to push.!!!!
Well you know, the red herring of correct facts.
 

dphantom

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Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Originally posted by: dphantom
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Der tryin' ta take 'ur guns!
Your knuckle dragging friends in congress and this administration were trying to use these false stats to take away the rights of Americans to purchase certain types of weapons.
Yep, I'm getting my handgun permit next week. Glock 23 40 cal with hi cap mags.
Nice complement to my 30-06, 12 guage and a couple smaller rifles.
Fine choice. I love my G23

I just ran across this article and this is what kills me, "But Tom Diaz, senior policy analyst at the Violence Policy Center, called the "90 percent" issue a red herring and said that it should not detract from the effort to stop gun trafficking into Mexico."
Damn the the facts. We have an agenda to push.!!!!
I was thinking about the H&K USP, but really like the feel of the Glock. Sounds like I made a good choice.
 

Triumph

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"Not every weapon seized in Mexico has a serial number on it that would make it traceable, and the U.S. effort to trace weapons really only extends to weapons that have been in the U.S. market," Matt Allen, special agent of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), told FOX News.
So basically, 90% of the weapons that came from the United States, came from the United States.
 

KentState

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Originally posted by: dphantom
Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Originally posted by: dphantom
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Der tryin' ta take 'ur guns!
Your knuckle dragging friends in congress and this administration were trying to use these false stats to take away the rights of Americans to purchase certain types of weapons.
Yep, I'm getting my handgun permit next week. Glock 23 40 cal with hi cap mags.
Nice complement to my 30-06, 12 guage and a couple smaller rifles.
Fine choice. I love my G23

I just ran across this article and this is what kills me, "But Tom Diaz, senior policy analyst at the Violence Policy Center, called the "90 percent" issue a red herring and said that it should not detract from the effort to stop gun trafficking into Mexico."
Damn the the facts. We have an agenda to push.!!!!
I was thinking about the H&K USP, but really like the feel of the Glock. Sounds like I made a good choice.
I was looking at the G23, but decided to go with a S&W M&P40C as well as a M&P15.
 

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