9 Reasons why Bernie Sanders wants the USA to be like Denmark

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from: http://usuncut.com/world/here-are-9-reasons-denmarks-socialist-economy-leaves-the-us-in-the-dust/

Here are 9 reasons Denmark’s socialist economy leaves the US in the dust

C. Robert Gibson | October 21, 2015

Thanks to Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders’ proud identification as a Democratic Socialist and allusion to Denmark as an ideal social democracy, Denmark is being discussed throughout the news media. But what few outlets are brave enough to report is that, by almost every measurable standard, Danish socialism runs circles around American capitalism. Here are a few examples:

1. Denmark’s unemployed workers get 90 percent of their old salary for 2 years.

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Denmark has a tremendous social safety net for unemployed workers — any worker who worked at least 52 weeks over a three-year period can qualify to have 90 percent of their original salary paid for, for up to two years. The Danish government also has plentiful training programs for out-of-work Danes. As a result, 73 percent of Danes between 15 and 64 have a paying job, compared to 67 percent of Americans.

2. Denmark spends far less on healthcare than the US.

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World Bank data on healthcare costs in developed nations.
According to the Organisation for Economic Co-Operation and Development (OECD), the US spends twice as much per capita on healthcare than in Denmark, where taxpayer-funded universal healthcare is available for all citizens. 2009 OECD data shows that the U.S. spent an average of $7,290 per person on healthcare. Denmark spent just $3,512. World Bank data, as seen in the chart above, shows Danish healthcare costs are about $3,000 less per capita than in the US.

3. Denmark is the happiest country on Earth.

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The World Happiness Report, which determines which nation’s population is the “happiest” using criteria like life expectancy, GDP, social safety nets, as well as factors like “perception of corruption” and “freedom to make life choices,” found that Denmark was the happiest country. The US, in the meantime, ranked #17 on the same list.

4. Danes enjoy the world’s shortest workweek.

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Denmark leads every other OECD nation in work-life balance. Danes work an average of 33 hours a week, earn an average of $46,000 USD annually, and have the right to 5 weeks of paid vacation per year. Here in the US, the average worker puts in an average of 47 hours a week, and only takes 16 days of vacation a year. This is largely due to a more stressful work climate, in which wages are stagnating while costs are rising. Combine that with a highly-competitive job market, and that means more Americans are willing to chain themselves to their desk then to risk taking vacation days and coming back to find someone else took their job.

5. Denmark pays students $900 a month to attend college.

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Here in the US, the cost of going to college has soared by over 500 percent in the last 30 years. But in Denmark, not only is college free, but students are actually paid $900 USD per month to go to school, provided they live on their own. And this funding lasts up to six years. By contrast, the average US student pays over $31,000 a year in tuition to attend a private university, out-of-state residents at public universities pay $22,000 a year in tuition, and tuition costs for in-state residents at those same universities is still over $9,000.

6. Denmark has one of the highest per-capita incomes in the developed world.

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Per capita income data from the World Bank.

In Denmark, despite a short work week and a generous social safety net, workers make more than enough to meet basic needs. According to per capita income data from the World Bank, Denmark’s per capita income is roughly $5,000 higher than in the US.

7. Denmark has one of the world’s lowest poverty rates. The US has one of the highest.

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The benefits of living in Denmark are far-reaching — out of all OECD countries, Denmark has the second-lowest poverty rate at 0.6 percent. To compare, the OECD average of 11.3 percent is still lower than the 14.5 percent poverty rate in the US.

So all this socialist nanny-state coddling must be making all the businesses flee Denmark as fast as they can, right?

Wrong.

8. Denmark is ranked the #1 best country for business (The US is ranked #18).

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In 2014, Forbes ranked Denmark as the #1 best country for business.
Forbes used 11 different criteria to rank countries — innovation, property rights, red tape, taxes, investor protection, stock market performance, technology, corruption, personal freedom, freedom of trade, and monetary freedom.

Under the same criteria, the US ranked #18.

9. New parents in Denmark get 52 weeks of paid family leave. New American parents get nothing.

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The Danish government gives new parents an average of 52 weeks — a full year — of paid time off after having a child. Those 52 weeks can be allocated however the parents wish. In addition to the 52 weeks, new moms get 4 weeks of maternity leave before giving birth and 14 weeks after. Even new fathers get 2 additional weeks after the birth of their child. But here in the US, 1 in 4 new mothers go back to work within two weeks of having a child.

This is what Democratic Socialism really looks like. Is this the dystopian nightmare that Republicans are making it out to be, or an ideal vision of what Americans could have if we came together and demanded it from our government?

Could it really be that Unfettered Capitalism isn't as good as Democratic Socialism? o_O
 

Hugo Drax

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Denmark is a Homogenous country, 98% Danish and practice eugenics, One reason things work there.also they are smaller and don't spend money being the worlds police force.
 

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Population of Denmark 5.64 million.

I bet there are 5.64 million Americans who are much better off than the entire population of Denmark. So in essence, if we kill everyone in the US off except the 6 million Americans in the top bracket, America would be superior to Denmark.

So America wins, Denmark loses.
 

cubby1223

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Haven't we had enough threads about this exact subject already? Sanders is absolutely off his rocker if he believes the structure of Denmark is possible across the whole of the United States. And those gullible enough to believe him aren't too far behind.
 

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We need Donald Trump to re-awaken America.

Stop the victim and welfare mentality.

End Lawyers and Insurance companies.

Balance the budget.

-John
 

ivwshane

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Haven't we had enough threads about this exact subject already? Sanders is absolutely off his rocker if he believes the structure of Denmark is possible across the whole of the United States. And those gullible enough to believe him aren't too far behind.

Why? Politics aside, what would be the factors that would prohibit their policies from working?
 

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Population of Denmark 5.64 million.

I bet there are 5.64 million Americans who are much better off than the entire population of Denmark. So in essence, if we kill everyone in the US off except the 6 million Americans in the top bracket, America would be superior to Denmark.

So America wins, Denmark loses.

Excellent conservative logic.

Got any more gems?
 

cubby1223

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Why? Politics aside, what would be the factors that would prohibit their policies from working?

I've laid out a good portion of it in the last thread on Sanders & Denmark. I would propose this thread gets merged in with that one.

It starts off real basic - you must have a thriving economy to support quality socialism (i.e. North Korea is not quality socialism). And simple fact is, a thriving economy is based on a ton more factors than the political beliefs and will-power of the population. Not all regions are created equal. Some pockets of the planet are more rich in resources than others, some regions are inherently more capable of supporting a population than others. It's easy to locate a small thriving pocket. It's difficult to replicate that pocket across vast diverse regions.
 
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glenn1

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Why? Politics aside, what would be the factors that would prohibit their policies from working?

Because socialist policies don't create money from nothing, all those programs are funded by higher taxes. It's no more a better deal for the average citizen than going to an "all-inclusive resort" is for a tourist, you just prepay for every service whether you use it or not. The people who think it's some sort of magic formula are either those who know they'll be net takers from the system or the kind of folks who think that whole life insurance is a good investment product for their retirement.
 

Sonikku

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The article is very inaccurate. There's no way all businesses are better off in Denmark. Medium sized business, small business and mom and pop store kind of businesses maybe. But the US has them licked when it comes to big business.

They also have skewed priorities. So what if they don't go deep into debt for getting higher education if they have to give up having a badass world police force to get it?:colbert:
 

HamburgerBoy

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Or could it be lots of oil and a GDP of around 350 million? Hmmmm...

tbh their exports aren't that different from ours. Norway is the blonde Saudi Arabia, not Denmark.

Not that there aren't still dozens of other important factors to consider. After all, why is it that Denmark is doing so well not only over us but also France, Belgium, and the UK? Are those countries not socialist enough either?
 
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It doesn't matter what Sanders says because he'll never be president. He's this election cycle's Ron Paul. He'll have plenty of highly vocal supporters making a shitload of noise but he won't garner anywhere near the numbers to be voted into office. And like Ron Paul, it won't stop his supporters from making outrageous claims about his potential of being elected president. Fortunately, or unfortunately, we only have to listen to that crap for little more than a year before it comes to a screeching halt.
 

ivwshane

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Because socialist policies don't create money from nothing, all those programs are funded by higher taxes. It's no more a better deal for the average citizen than going to an "all-inclusive resort" is for a tourist, you just prepay for every service whether you use it or not. The people who think it's some sort of magic formula are either those who know they'll be net takers from the system or the kind of folks who think that whole life insurance is a good investment product for their retirement.

Well I guess before even have this conversation we have to agree on exactly what type of socialism we are talking about. As far as I know socialism in the purist of form doesn't exist. Dermark is a mixed economy so some things are privately owned while others are owned by the government.

I believe discussing pure socialism is pointless because it will never happen however a mixed economy already exists in the US so really is just a matter of degree to which we can be socialist.
 

ivwshane

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You can't put the politics aside, and that alone would keep them from working. He'll, it keeps the policies we already have from working.

For the most part I agree however we already use socialism in this country so I think it's doable if we were to try and enact even more socialist policies.
 

ivwshane

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I've laid out a good portion of it in the last thread on Sanders & Denmark. I would propose this thread gets merged in with that one.

It starts off real basic - you must have a thriving economy to support quality socialism (i.e. North Korea is not quality socialism). And simple fact is, a thriving economy is based on a ton more factors than the political beliefs and will-power of the population. Not all regions are created equal. Some pockets of the planet are more rich in resources than others, some regions are inherently more capable of supporting a population than others. It's easy to locate a small thriving pocket. It's difficult to replicate that pocket across vast diverse regions.

This makes no sense but that could be because we aren't talking about the same level of socialism (see my reply to Glenn). In the interest of you not repeating yourself do you have a link to the thread you are referencing?