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9 meter USB3 cable !@#$ 1 meter USB2 on Fiio E10

rockfella79

rockfella79

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Just upgraded from this combo : AMD Phenom 560/Gigabyte Ga78LMT-USB3 to Core i5 4440 - Gigabyte H97M-DS3P and windows won't recognize my Fiio E10 on the same 9 meter USB3 cable that it used to on previous set up!! I am baffled!!

Any help?

Fiio E10 works fine with the default cable provided.
 
Don't know what that means but the same cable worked perfectly on my old motherboard on a USB3 slot. Everything else is same in my set up except the motherboard and cpu which are new. The old board had an external USB 3 controller. Don't know how it is related.
Cerb said:
Is the 9m cable active?
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Good luck. The controller can't check the length, but a longer cable means higher resistance, higher inductance, and more of a chance for picking up interference. Sometimes, much longer works fine, but often it doesn't. Same thing happens with HDMI, past ~20 feet, where some device and cable combos work perfectly, and others not, regardless of quality.
 
Thing is the controller on the old board was "older" third party and never gave any issues. Infact I was surprised it worked! New controller .. limitations? or what? This upgrade feels like a bummer as I use that DAC everyday.
Cerb said:
Good luck. The controller can't check the length, but a longer cable means higher resistance, higher inductance, and more of a chance for picking up interference. Sometimes, much longer works fine, but often it doesn't. Same thing happens with HDMI, past ~20 feet, where some device and cable combos work perfectly, and others not, regardless of quality.
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Try to force USB 2.0.

9 meters is out of any spec though.

Can't you use the old (external?) controller?
 
It might work better if you have a DAC USB connector designed for music. You might be getting NOISE in your USB lines. I would think a faster connection electronic static and interference might be more problematic. I noticed on some motherboards they are isolating USB and grounding them better and some motherboards I have seen come with DAC jacks. So I also wonder if you are overclocking and if overclocking can cause issues that create electrical interference or if using a thicker insulated cable might help.
 
rockfella79 said:
Thing is the controller on the old board was "older" third party and never gave any issues. Infact I was surprised it worked! New controller .. limitations? or what? This upgrade feels like a bummer as I use that DAC everyday.
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Not older or newer, just more compatible and less compatible. Newness has nothing to do with it. A different motherboard with the same controller might work fine with the 9m passive cable. 9m is out of spec, so no maker is going to bother testing to make sure the signal stays in spec with that long of a cable. The PCB layout probably accounts for 95% of whether it works or not.

Depending on how you use it, the cheapest and easiest thing to do would probably be to put a hub in the middle.
 
I have something like this lying around:

http://www.startech.com/Cards-Adapters/USB-2/Card/5-Port-USB-20-PCI-Card~PCI420USB

and it worked despite being USB2. I am so glad a bought a motherboard with a PCI slot!
Despite this I might consider a hub in the future. Can you link up some?

Cerb said:
Not older or newer, just more compatible and less compatible. Newness has nothing to do with it. A different motherboard with the same controller might work fine with the 9m passive cable. 9m is out of spec, so no maker is going to bother testing to make sure the signal stays in spec with that long of a cable. The PCB layout probably accounts for 95% of whether it works or not.

Depending on how you use it, the cheapest and easiest thing to do would probably be to put a hub in the middle.
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It works fine with a short cable. Culprit was long (9m) cable not getting enough juice probably.
piasabird said:
It might work better if you have a DAC USB connector designed for music. You might be getting NOISE in your USB lines. I would think a faster connection electronic static and interference might be more problematic. I noticed on some motherboards they are isolating USB and grounding them better and some motherboards I have seen come with DAC jacks. So I also wonder if you are overclocking and if overclocking can cause issues that create electrical interference or if using a thicker insulated cable might help.
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rockfella79 said:
and it worked despite being USB2. I am so glad a bought a motherboard with a PCI slot!
Despite this I might consider a hub in the future. Can you link up some?
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The cheapest with external power, that has a convenient layout for where you're going to put it. IME, USB 2.0 hub problems have been rare, with low-bandwidth devices. Active cables are relatively expensive, in part because they have a smaller market, of which a sizable portion is going to be professional installations of things using USB.
 
Thanks for all the info guys. I will use the cable connected to the PCI USB extension card as of now. It is working fine and powering my E10 nicely.
 
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