9 arrested after brawl at Mall of America

[ichy]

Lol @ Craig trying to distract people by going on some long, nonsensical rant about a fantasy US plan to invade Iran.

 

[peonyu]

I know this is OT for a classic ATP&N black people are a danger to the US thread. But every time I see one I think "what group has done the most damage and are in the position to do even more damage to the US?".

What group:
1. Typically are pedophiles
2. Typically are the mass murderers, typically they use guns and kill people they do not know.
3. Typically are domestic terrorists.
4. Typically are the Wall Street economic terrorists. You know the people who to get richer have crashed the domestic and global economies.
5. Are the executives who ship jobs offshore.
6. Are the people who run companies that pollute.
7. Is the elected official and his employees who started the Iraqi war on the false claim that Iraq had WMD. This war killed and maimed thousands of US soldiers and hundred of thousands of Iraqis. Okayed the use of torture.

You get the idea...

Is that supposed to be surprising ? Who is the majority in this country and founded the USA originally. Whites did, and wow White people have the most power. Shocking isn't it. In China the Han-Chinese have the power over there to since they have the numbers and built China. Thats another surprise to you im sure.


The issue that people have is that a minority @12% of the population has a crime rate that equals 50% or more of the US's annual crimes and it is not changing. Like others said that is a issue, but I dont agree with saying the only reason for the difference is their race, its cultural.

But pointing to Wall street and saying "look who controls that! its white people" as though its a shock that the economic scene is dominated by whites is just weak. It was built by whites afterall [like it or not].

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

It's not about money. It is all about the culture that one is raised in. People who don't value hard work, self respect, education, etc, will produce offsprings of the same mind. There's no mystery to it. Until people decide to change to better themselves, all the money thrown at them won't make any difference. It's all about one's mind set. People who seek to change for the better, of themselves and of others, become Civil Right leader or the President of the United States. The same is also true for the flip side of that same coin. Skin color is only skin deep. Forcing others to turn their eyes blind by crying racism won't solve a damn thing.

yup. you put all the NBA and NFL multi-million dollar stars all in one city, i still wouldn't want to live anywhere near there.

 

[Siddhartha]

Is that supposed to be surprising ? Who is the majority in this country and founded the USA originally. Whites did, and wow White people have the most power. Shocking isn't it. In China the Han-Chinese have the power over there to since they have the numbers and built China. Thats another surprise to you im sure.


The issue that people have is that a minority @12% of the population has a crime rate that equals 50% or more of the US's annual crimes and it is not changing. Like others said that is a issue, but I dont agree with saying the only reason for the difference is their race, its cultural.

But pointing to Wall street and saying "look who controls that! its white people" as though its a shock that the economic scene is dominated by whites is just weak. It was built by whites afterall [like it or not].

So if the majority, the rich, and the powerful do it is okay?

How many of those kind of people you mentioned that, according to you, commit 50% of the crime are breaking drug related laws and in drug related situations?

You mentioned crime. Why isn't it a crime to wage an unjustified war which kills hundreds of thousands of people, costs a trillion dollars, and lays a country to waste?

So going strictly by race what group has done the most damage to the US and the world. What group is the most dangerous in terms of potentially ruining millions of lives and killing hundreds of thousands of people?

 

[peonyu]

So if the majority, the rich, and the powerful do it is okay?

How many of those kind of people you mentioned that, according to you, commit 50% of the crime are breaking drug related laws and in drug related situations?

You mentioned crime. Why isn't it a crime to wage an unjustified war which kills hundreds of thousands of people, costs a trillion dollars, and lays a country to waste?

So going strictly by race what group has done the most damage to the US and the world. What group is the most dangerous in terms of potentially ruining millions of lives and killing hundreds of thousands of people?

Your the one who pointed out that white people dominate the US at the top level and i responded why that is. Whites are the group that founded the US and built it up, so no shit that that is the group that dominates, its not a conspiracy its just the way things happen. And the US is currently the strongest country on earth and no country that is the most powerful has ever been a saint, so thousands are dying but thats nothing new under the sun. The Chinese empires, Egyptian, Greeks, Romans etcccc all killed masses of people when they were dominant. Doesn't make it right but what are you gonna do about it.

Besides that, the fact that the US has killed some innocents doesn't lay the blame on white people. You do realize that we have bombed white countries in the past to right ? Kosovo was bombed to hell and back and the people there are all white.

 

[ichy]

Kosovo was bombed to hell and back and the people there are all white.

Actually it was Serbia that we bombed in order to defend people in Kosovo from Serb aggression.

 

[Craig234]

Your the one who pointed out that white people dominate the US at the top level and i responded why that is. Whites are the group that founded the US and built it up, so no shit that that is the group that dominates, its not a conspiracy its just the way things happen. And the US is currently the strongest country on earth and no country that is the most powerful has ever been a saint, so thousands are dying but thats nothing new under the sun. The Chinese empires, Egyptian, Greeks, Romans etcccc all killed masses of people when they were dominant. Doesn't make it right but what are you gonna do about it.

None of them had a democracy for the people to say 'no, we're not going to do that'.

Besides that, the fact that the US has killed some innocents doesn't lay the blame on white people. You do realize that we have bombed white countries in the past to right ? Kosovo was bombed to hell and back and the people there are all white.

The fact that blacks are disproportionaly criminals against whites doesn't lay the blame on them. You do realize that they commit crimes against blacks more than whites right?

(That is pointing out flaws in your comment).

You are being obtuse. The point was who has killed a lot of people. The fact you add MORE to that list doesn't negate the point.

 

[waggy]

this thread is a perfect example why race ralations are shit and won't get better anytime soon.

there are some with so much white guilt they refuse to look at the problem honestly. instead they are content to blame whites. Then on the other hand you have those that can't look at the problem and understand it.

its not money. Schools in Chicago get more per student then the country schools. yet schools in the country score higher and don't have the crime issue.

sadly its a colture issue. I have no clue how you can change that.

on a personal note i have seen how it effects young girls. I have 2 black sisters (younger then me by10 years or so and im 38). both have kids and don't know the father. where it is different is one lived out in the country and worked/school. teh other went to live with family in Chicago.

the older of the 2 stayed out near her family in the country. while she struggles to pay her bills and school (nursing) she polity takes the help and repays it by helping us as much as she can.

The other one came for a visit during Christmas. she came with no diapers, no car seat (though she did take a train) and no winter clothes. she expected everyone to buy name brand diapers and clothes. she turned down a used (but very nice) carseat because it was brown.

both were nice before they moved from home. only thing different i can see was where they lived and the culture where they lived.

 

[ichy]

waggy:

Thanks for the voice of common sense.

We all know that there are plenty of white trash losers who buy into this culture of multiple babydaddies, drug use, leaching off of welfare, etc etc. Nobody is saying that it's something that's confined to blacks in the ghetto. Unfortunately blacks DO buy into that culture at a higher rate. Statistics on crime, out of wedlock pregnancy, etc etc all confirm this beyond a doubt. Why is this the case? Who knows, we'll never even be able to have an honest conversation about it because of the white guilt types who start screaming about John Wayne Gacy being white and imaginary wars in Iran every time this topic is brought up.

 

[Craig234]

this thread is a perfect example why race ralations are shit and won't get better anytime soon.

there are some with so much white guilt they refuse to look at the problem honestly. instead they are content to blame whites. Then on the other hand you have those that can't look at the problem and understand it.

its not money. Schools in Chicago get more per student then the country schools. yet schools in the country score higher and don't have the crime issue.

sadly its a colture issue. I have no clue how you can change that.

on a personal note i have seen how it effects young girls. I have 2 black sisters (younger then me by10 years or so and im 38). both have kids and don't know the father. where it is different is one lived out in the country and worked/school. teh other went to live with family in Chicago.

the older of the 2 stayed out near her family in the country. while she struggles to pay her bills and school (nursing) she polity takes the help and repays it by helping us as much as she can.

The other one came for a visit during Christmas. she came with no diapers, no car seat (though she did take a train) and no winter clothes. she expected everyone to buy name brand diapers and clothes. she turned down a used (but very nice) carseat because it was brown.

both were nice before they moved from home. only thing different i can see was where they lived and the culture where they lived.

Assuming you are including my comments, you are clueless and wrong.

You have this little script you spit out mindlessly when you see any comments not fitting it.

You take when I say 'the primary responsibility for improving problems in black culture is with blacks' and you ignore it to misrepresent it with the lie that my post is 'white guilt'.

Great propaganda phrase, 'white guilt' - it excuses recognizing the facts and history you are ignorant about and justifyig continuing staying ignorant.

It's like calling gays' desire to end discrimination against them a "gay agenda" easy to oppose as "special treatment" when it's the opposite, and even "an attack on marriage".

When you say you have no clue how to change it, that's honest. And I don't mean that as an attack - it's a very challenging issue no one has great clean answers for.

But a start is to get rid of the ignorance you are wallowing in.

There is much to hate about the problems - but there are contructive and destructive attitudes about them.

Sadly, a lot of people like to remain ignorant of the causes and any sense of obligation to one another in society and any sacrifice to help improve them.

They just want them to somehow disappear, and if they don't, to blame the blacks.

I have no problem with aggressively recognizing the problems - when put in a contructive approach asking what can be done to improve things.

Thing is, if blacks did erase all these issues overnight, they'd be taking up a lot more high paid positions replacing whites, education positions replacing whites, there'd be a lot more whites needed in menial positions - a lot of changes whites aren't really anxious to see happen, and don't understand in many cases they feel that way.

There's a certain mentality that comes with being 'on top' in wealth, even among the poorer classes if they're still better finanically than other cultures. Who really thinks of a Mexico that's like a Canada, our peer, or our fields filled with a lot of non-hispanics picking our food? Even when whites did that work, they were a social sub-class, as shown in the documentary "Harvest of Shame". That mentality has a lot of anger and blame towards the poor, not any morality or justice. It shamelessly exploits while blaming the victims.

Go to a banana republic and look at a ruling family who owns enormous wealth while people are sturggling for food, and you will find them viewing the poor with anger and disgust and blame, resentful of how much is done for the poor, tired of hearing the complaints against the inequality. They tend not to lose sleep at night over 'guilt'.

Hell, look at Assad in Syra right now - as he murders thousands of innocent citizens to keep his privilege, he gives an interview to Barbara Walters denying it, saying 'only a crazy person would kill his own people'. There's a sense of entitlement. It's hard for people further to understand - but they can see a taste of it in how they hate our poor.

You're right in your identification of the anecdote of the two girls - the question is, what will help? Stop attacking the people who point out the various causes.

There were many excuses to keep slavery, many excuses to keep colonization, many excuses to keep segregation, and there are many excuses to oppose anti-poverty policies.

If we took a normal state - pick any state, Florida, Arizona, Masssachussetts, whatever - and if we said "there are no more police, unlimited drugs, unlimited prostitution, and criminal organizations will be allowed to operate", how long would it take for that *majority white* society to degrade and become one filled with another culture? People would resist initially, but it would slide IMO. You could point your finger at the people and blame them, with some justification, but what good would that do?

A problem is the majoriyt whites who refuse to have any interest in and suppiort for things that will help undo some of the harmful situations that exist.

They cling to the simple and insufficient - "longer sentences! longer sentences! zero tolerance!" - which can provide some benefit - at human cost - but are inadequate.

The thing is, the whites who do this don't do it out of racism or hate generally. It's ignorance.

One note - ignorance isn't just on the right, opposing efforts; the left can often be ignorant too, wanting to help and pursuing misguided, well-intentioned polices that don't help.

Like I said, the issue is complicated, and solutions will take time - if we make the effort and try to change things, requiring both blacks and whites to support it.

 

[waggy]

lots of words but like always crieg says nothing.

yes i have ignorance. so do you and you don't try to change that fact. instead you write pages of nonsense to try to hide it.

I proved why i think the way i do. I have family that are black do you? I have seen 2 grow up until 18. both were kind/smart and driven. one moves to chicago one stays around here in the country.

One has no drive. blames everyone else for her situation. has no desire more then getting a check from the goverment each month. refuses help if she is expected to return such favors. Thinks school is useless and won't go.

The other? says thank you. will help in return if she is able. Working her ass off at a job and school (nursing school at that).

whats the diffrent? where they lived the past 13-15 years. culture of teh city vs culture of a rural area.

and frankly most of your post is dead on what i was talking about.

 

[Craig234]

Waggy, waste of time posting further to you, not bothering to read further of you including most of that post.

 

[mizzou]

kids need to have a place to go and shit to do, especially poor kids. Everyone hanging out at the mall is a horrible place.

 

[spidey07]

kids need to have a place to go and shit to do, especially poor kids. Everyone hanging out at the mall is a horrible place.

Aka home and family. Something urban youths abandoned long ago thanks to liberals.