9/11 responders bill defeated by GOP filibuster

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RightIsWrong

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Sure. A few months before the rush for midterm elections, when it would have been more about the issues at hand than making the newly elected officials look bad. Yes, I know it was put forward during the summer; it was entirely reasonable then. But now, they knew the Republicans wouldn't go for it and they pushed it anyway.
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It isn't a matter of whether or not the "Republicans wouldn't go for it", it is a matter of "What basis do the Republicans have for believing that a tax break for the one sector of the American population that needs it least, is a more urgent need than health care to save the very lives of those that were at ground zero on the most tragic day of our generation"?
 
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fskimospy

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RightIsWrong said:
Let the blood letting begin! After all, it was backed by scientific literature on the subject along with personal experience at that point in time. Now, you'd be a fool for suggesting such a thing for the purposes that it was scientifically used.

The point of that is simply that knowledge of the human body has changed dramatically over the last couple of thousand years and will continue to evolve. What you are emphatically stating as fact today, may not and most likely will not be thought of as such tomorrow. Your rigidity in your beliefs is as funny as a child's instance in Santa b/c that is what they have been told and that is all that they understand.

You cannot and should not transpose your personal experiences across such a massive (and growing) swath of people because, even though there are similarities, we are all different just as NT people are.

To quote the gorgeous ladies in Expose "Free your mind and the rest will follow".

P.S. I think that my "personal experience" of having the labeled "condition" and raising a son that has been diagnosed with it also trumps your "I know someone who..." personal experience so you might want to give me a little more credit on this one.
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My beliefs aren't rigid at all on the subject. If the experts change their opinion on the matter I'm very comfortable changing mine.
 
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fskimospy

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ConstipatedVigilante said:
Sure. A few months before the rush for midterm elections, when it would have been more about the issues at hand than making the newly elected officials look bad. Yes, I know it was put forward during the summer; it was entirely reasonable then. But now, they knew the Republicans wouldn't go for it and they pushed it anyway.
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How can it be about making newly elected members of Congress look bad when they aren't even in office, and aren't the ones voting on it?
 
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eskimospy said:
My beliefs aren't rigid at all on the subject. If the experts change their opinion on the matter I'm very comfortable changing mine.
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Glad to hear that I have potentially misjudged you. Let's hope that this is the case and that everyone can be like this on a very wide range of topics.
 
alkemyst

alkemyst

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JSt0rm said:
It's already been answered retard. How about you fucking read a little bit before forming a shit opinion.
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because I start at the top. Don't blame me for the previous retard.

Still how would they prove who was a first responder...asshat.

Hey I lived 1 block away...I was fucking on the scene y0...
 
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JSt0rm

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alkemyst said:
because I start at the top. Don't blame me for the previous retard.

Still how would they prove who was a first responder...asshat.

Hey I lived 1 block away...I was fucking on the scene y0...
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Just stfu already. you dont know what you are talking about, y0.
 
JSt0rm

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why is it the neocons who wrap themselves in the american flag and are the first to mention 9/11 when they want votes are the ones to drop these people? pathetic.
 
JSt0rm

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alkemyst said:
not at all, i just dont know why they need this.
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Well luckily we live in a representative democracy where every action doesnt need to be explained to every peasant who thinks they can comprehend an issue. So the fact that you dont know and are here asking troll questions is really neither here nor there in regards to the larger issue.
 
alkemyst

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the peasants/groundlings are the one's looking for this. Are you someone involved or someone you know in this lottery win?
 
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its hard for anyone to tow the party line on this one. Well except the retarded right on this board that seem to flock to the issue.
 
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911paramedic said:
It is far from working for IBM or Microsoft, so far I can't even imagine what you are trying to say.

(Why did I venture into P&N??)
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I did not say the jobs were near the same. I'm talking job related injuries... Which is what these first responders have issues with. The employer should be picking up the tab and not the federal government unless you were employed by the federal government. It's not too hard to understand.

What about all of the civilians that were in the area. Are we going to pick up their medical tabs too.

If so, why?

If not, why not?
 
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fskimospy

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pcgeek11 said:
I did not say the jobs were near the same. I'm talking job related injuries... Which is what these first responders have issues with. The employer should be picking up the tab and not the federal government unless you were employed by the federal government. It's not too hard to understand.

What about all of the civilians that were in the area. Are we going to pick up their medical tabs too.

If so, why?

If not, why not?
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No, we aren't.

We aren't going to do that because the important thing both from a moral and from a practical perspective is to be sure that firefighters and other emergency personnel never decide not to fight fires or rescue people because they are worried that in the future they will be left high and dry.

Next terrorist attack do you want our firefighters to say "Nah, I'm sitting this one out, I don't want to be left to die with cancer in the future", or do you want them to fight the fire? This has already been gone over in this thread.
 
alkemyst

alkemyst

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eskimospy said:
No, we aren't.

We aren't going to do that because the important thing both from a moral and from a practical perspective is to be sure that firefighters and other emergency personnel never decide not to fight fires or rescue people because they are worried that in the future they will be left high and dry.

Next terrorist attack do you want our firefighters to say "Nah, I'm sitting this one out, I don't want to be left to die with cancer in the future", or do you want them to fight the fire? This has already been gone over in this thread.
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woah, what?

All firefighters know these risks. They have insurance through their jobs.
 
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