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9/11 Report Cites Many Warnings About Hijackings...Bush admin withheld report until AFTER the election!!

conjur

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UPDATE 3/8/05

Sept. 11 commissioners seek revised aviation security report
http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/0305/030405c1.htm

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/10/polit...1108011600&oref=login&partner=homepage
WASHINGTON, Feb. 9 - In the months before the Sept. 11 attacks, federal aviation officials reviewed dozens of intelligence reports that warned about Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda, some of which specifically discussed airline hijackings and suicide operations, according to a previously undisclosed report from the 9/11 commission.

But aviation officials were "lulled into a false sense of security," and "intelligence that indicated a real and growing threat leading up to 9/11 did not stimulate significant increases in security procedures," the commission report concluded.

The report discloses that the Federal Aviation Administration, despite being focused on risks of hijackings overseas, warned airports in the spring of 2001 that if "the intent of the hijacker is not to exchange hostages for prisoners, but to commit suicide in a spectacular explosion, a domestic hijacking would probably be preferable."

The report takes the F.A.A. to task for failing to pursue domestic security measures that could conceivably have altered the events of Sept. 11, 2001, like toughening airport screening procedures for weapons or expanding the use of on-flight air marshals. The report, completed last August, said officials appeared more concerned with reducing airline congestion, lessening delays, and easing airlines' financial woes than deterring a terrorist attack.

The Bush administration has blocked the public release of the full, classified version of the report for more than five months, officials said, much to the frustration of former commission members who say it provides a critical understanding of the failures of the civil aviation system. The administration provided both the classified report and a declassified, 120-page version to the National Archives two weeks ago and, even with heavy redactions in some areas, the declassified version provides the firmest evidence to date about the warnings that aviation officials received concerning the threat of an attack on airliners and the failure to take steps to deter it.

Among other things, the report says that leaders of the F.A.A. received 52 intelligence reports from their security branch that mentioned Mr. bin Laden or Al Qaeda from April to Sept. 10, 2001. That represented half of all the intelligence summaries in that time.

Five of the intelligence reports specifically mentioned Al Qaeda's training or capability to conduct hijackings, the report said. Two mentioned suicide operations, although not connected to aviation, the report said.


A spokeswoman for the F.A.A., the agency that bears the brunt of the commission's criticism, said Wednesday that the agency was well aware of the threat posed by terrorists before Sept. 11 and took substantive steps to counter it, including the expanded use of explosives detection units.

"We had a lot of information about threats," said the spokeswoman, Laura J. Brown. "But we didn't have specific information about means or methods that would have enabled us to tailor any countermeasures."

She added: "After 9/11, the F.A..A. and the entire aviation community took bold steps to improve aviation security, such as fortifying cockpit doors on 6,000 airplanes, and those steps took hundreds of millions of dollars to implement."

The report, like previous commission documents, finds no evidence that the government had specific warning of a domestic attack and says that the aviation industry considered the hijacking threat to be more worrisome overseas.

"The fact that the civil aviation system seems to have been lulled into a false sense of security is striking not only because of what happened on 9/11 but also in light of the intelligence assessments, including those conducted by the F.A.A.'s own security branch, that raised alarms about the growing terrorist threat to civil aviation throughout the 1990's and into the new century," the report said.

In its previous findings, including a final report last July that became a best-selling book, the 9/11 commission detailed the harrowing events aboard the four hijacked flights that crashed on Sept. 11 and the communications problems between civil aviation and military officials that hampered the response. But the new report goes further in revealing the scope and depth of intelligence collected by federal aviation officials about the threat of a terrorist attack.

The F.A.A. "had indeed considered the possibility that terrorists would hijack a plane and use it as a weapon," and in 2001 it distributed a CD-ROM presentation to airlines and airports that cited the possibility of a suicide hijacking, the report said. Previous commission documents have quoted the CD's reassurance that "fortunately, we have no indication that any group is currently thinking in that direction."

Aviation officials amassed so much information about the growing threat posed by terrorists that they conducted classified briefings in mid-2001 for security officials at 19 of the nation's busiest airports to warn of the threat posed in particular by Mr. bin Laden, the report said.

Still, the 9/11 commission concluded that aviation officials did not direct adequate resources or attention to the problem.


"Throughout 2001, the senior leadership of the F.A.A. was focused on congestion and delays within the system and the ever-present issue of safety, but they were not as focused on security," the report said.

The F.A.A. did not see a need to increase the air marshal ranks because hijackings were seen as an overseas threat, and one aviation official told the commission said that airlines did not want to give up revenues by providing free seats to marshals.

The F.A.A. also made no concerted effort to expand their list of terror suspects, which included a dozen names on Sept. 11, the report said. The former head of the F.A.A.'s civil aviation security branch said he was not aware of the government's main watch list, called Tipoff, which included the names of two hijackers who were living in the San Diego area, the report said.

Nor was there evidence that a senior F.A.A. working group on security had ever met in 2001 to discuss "the high threat period that summer," the report said.

Jane F. Garvey, the F.A.A. administrator at the time, told the commission "that she was aware of the heightened threat during the summer of 2001," the report said. But several other senior agency officials "were basically unaware of the threat," as were senior airline operations officials and veteran pilots, the report said.

The classified version of the commission report quotes extensively from circulars prepared by the F.A.A. about the threat of terrorism, but many of those references have been blacked out in the declassified version, officials said.

Several former commissioners and staff members said they were upset and disappointed by the administration's refusal to release the full report publicly.

"Our intention was to make as much information available to the public as soon as possible," said Richard Ben-Veniste, a former Sept. 11 commission member.
Looks like the FAA f'ed up badly, the Bush admin knew it but kept it covered up until AFTER the election.

This administration isn't Republican. Hell, they're not even American!!! :| :|
 

Darkhawk28

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Originally posted by: conjur
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/10/polit...1108011600&oref=login&partner=homepage
WASHINGTON, Feb. 9 - In the months before the Sept. 11 attacks, federal aviation officials reviewed dozens of intelligence reports that warned about Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda, some of which specifically discussed airline hijackings and suicide operations, according to a previously undisclosed report from the 9/11 commission.

But aviation officials were "lulled into a false sense of security," and "intelligence that indicated a real and growing threat leading up to 9/11 did not stimulate significant increases in security procedures," the commission report concluded.

The report discloses that the Federal Aviation Administration, despite being focused on risks of hijackings overseas, warned airports in the spring of 2001 that if "the intent of the hijacker is not to exchange hostages for prisoners, but to commit suicide in a spectacular explosion, a domestic hijacking would probably be preferable."

The report takes the F.A.A. to task for failing to pursue domestic security measures that could conceivably have altered the events of Sept. 11, 2001, like toughening airport screening procedures for weapons or expanding the use of on-flight air marshals. The report, completed last August, said officials appeared more concerned with reducing airline congestion, lessening delays, and easing airlines' financial woes than deterring a terrorist attack.

The Bush administration has blocked the public release of the full, classified version of the report for more than five months, officials said, much to the frustration of former commission members who say it provides a critical understanding of the failures of the civil aviation system. The administration provided both the classified report and a declassified, 120-page version to the National Archives two weeks ago and, even with heavy redactions in some areas, the declassified version provides the firmest evidence to date about the warnings that aviation officials received concerning the threat of an attack on airliners and the failure to take steps to deter it.

Among other things, the report says that leaders of the F.A.A. received 52 intelligence reports from their security branch that mentioned Mr. bin Laden or Al Qaeda from April to Sept. 10, 2001. That represented half of all the intelligence summaries in that time.

Five of the intelligence reports specifically mentioned Al Qaeda's training or capability to conduct hijackings, the report said. Two mentioned suicide operations, although not connected to aviation, the report said.


A spokeswoman for the F.A.A., the agency that bears the brunt of the commission's criticism, said Wednesday that the agency was well aware of the threat posed by terrorists before Sept. 11 and took substantive steps to counter it, including the expanded use of explosives detection units.

"We had a lot of information about threats," said the spokeswoman, Laura J. Brown. "But we didn't have specific information about means or methods that would have enabled us to tailor any countermeasures."

She added: "After 9/11, the F.A..A. and the entire aviation community took bold steps to improve aviation security, such as fortifying cockpit doors on 6,000 airplanes, and those steps took hundreds of millions of dollars to implement."

The report, like previous commission documents, finds no evidence that the government had specific warning of a domestic attack and says that the aviation industry considered the hijacking threat to be more worrisome overseas.

"The fact that the civil aviation system seems to have been lulled into a false sense of security is striking not only because of what happened on 9/11 but also in light of the intelligence assessments, including those conducted by the F.A.A.'s own security branch, that raised alarms about the growing terrorist threat to civil aviation throughout the 1990's and into the new century," the report said.

In its previous findings, including a final report last July that became a best-selling book, the 9/11 commission detailed the harrowing events aboard the four hijacked flights that crashed on Sept. 11 and the communications problems between civil aviation and military officials that hampered the response. But the new report goes further in revealing the scope and depth of intelligence collected by federal aviation officials about the threat of a terrorist attack.

The F.A.A. "had indeed considered the possibility that terrorists would hijack a plane and use it as a weapon," and in 2001 it distributed a CD-ROM presentation to airlines and airports that cited the possibility of a suicide hijacking, the report said. Previous commission documents have quoted the CD's reassurance that "fortunately, we have no indication that any group is currently thinking in that direction."

Aviation officials amassed so much information about the growing threat posed by terrorists that they conducted classified briefings in mid-2001 for security officials at 19 of the nation's busiest airports to warn of the threat posed in particular by Mr. bin Laden, the report said.

Still, the 9/11 commission concluded that aviation officials did not direct adequate resources or attention to the problem.


"Throughout 2001, the senior leadership of the F.A.A. was focused on congestion and delays within the system and the ever-present issue of safety, but they were not as focused on security," the report said.

The F.A.A. did not see a need to increase the air marshal ranks because hijackings were seen as an overseas threat, and one aviation official told the commission said that airlines did not want to give up revenues by providing free seats to marshals.

The F.A.A. also made no concerted effort to expand their list of terror suspects, which included a dozen names on Sept. 11, the report said. The former head of the F.A.A.'s civil aviation security branch said he was not aware of the government's main watch list, called Tipoff, which included the names of two hijackers who were living in the San Diego area, the report said.

Nor was there evidence that a senior F.A.A. working group on security had ever met in 2001 to discuss "the high threat period that summer," the report said.

Jane F. Garvey, the F.A.A. administrator at the time, told the commission "that she was aware of the heightened threat during the summer of 2001," the report said. But several other senior agency officials "were basically unaware of the threat," as were senior airline operations officials and veteran pilots, the report said.

The classified version of the commission report quotes extensively from circulars prepared by the F.A.A. about the threat of terrorism, but many of those references have been blacked out in the declassified version, officials said.

Several former commissioners and staff members said they were upset and disappointed by the administration's refusal to release the full report publicly.

"Our intention was to make as much information available to the public as soon as possible," said Richard Ben-Veniste, a former Sept. 11 commission member.
Looks like the FAA f'ed up badly, the Bush admin knew it but kept it covered up until AFTER the election.

This administration isn't Republican. Hell, they're not even American!!! :| :|

PNAC needed a "Pearl Harbor" event to get their agenda rolling.
 

Darkhawk28

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Originally posted by: tallest1
*waits for a BS explanation from the conservatives here*

HEY NEOCONS! I'LL ANSWER THIS FOR YOU!!!

"BUT CLINTON...."

"YOU CAN'T PROVE BUSH........"

"THE 9/11 COMMISSION ARE A BUNCH OF LIBERALS."
 

BBond

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When will America wake up and throw these impostors out of the White House and into jail???

 

broon

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First of all the no one knew that on 9/11/01 specific planes would be hijacked.

The government can't come out and say "We have credible intel that says planes will be hijacke". Likewise they can't beef up security at airports to the extent that it is now. That would also tip their hand and people would have a fit.
 

ajf3

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Guess what... the elections over - you lost! Ready to move on?

btw... Bush's approval ratings are nearing 60%.
 

sandorski

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We knew the report was gonna be bad for Bush and that it would muck up his re-election run. Ah well, the more things change the more they stay the same.
 

broon

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It's only bad depending on how it's presented. If it's twisted like "Bush knew 9/11 hijackers were coming!!!" of course it's bad for Bush. But it's not really true.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: broon
First of all the no one knew that on 9/11/01 specific planes would be hijacked.

The government can't come out and say "We have credible intel that says planes will be hijacke". Likewise they can't beef up security at airports to the extent that it is now. That would also tip their hand and people would have a fit.



Among other things, the report says that leaders of the F.A.A. received 52 intelligence reports from their security branch that mentioned Mr. bin Laden or Al Qaeda from April to Sept. 10, 2001. That represented half of all the intelligence summaries in that time.

When Richard Clarke first saw the list of names of the hijackers, he freaked out. He recognized them as Al Qaeda. Someone at FAA f-ed up badly and the Bush admin had to have been involved, too.
 
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Originally posted by: broon
It's only bad depending on how it's presented. If it's twisted like "Bush knew 9/11 hijackers were coming!!!" of course it's bad for Bush. But it's not really true.
It's being twisted like that though, of course. There are people acting as if this "intel" gave concrete, advanced warnings of the attacks when the warnings issued were more like guesses. The article states:

"We had a lot of information about threats," said the spokeswoman, Laura J. Brown. "But we didn't have specific information about means or methods that would have enabled us to tailor any countermeasures."

Even if they actually knew that these were going to occur at some point in time, how would they be stopped? Detain all ME men and decide which ones look crazy enough to fly an airplane into a major landmark in the US?
 

Genx87

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In the 9-11 commission report they talk about the FAA's role and how it was more focused on easing congestion at the airports than dealing with terrorists. They even mention threats of suicidal hijackers.

This isnt really news to anybody who has read the book.

btw much of the FAA's organization and focus was created by Clintons administration. The Gore commision in 1997 set the security standards that were apparently easy to get around.

Trying to blame this on Bush is nothing but partisan hacking at its finest.
All administrations previous and including Bush's were at fault for not modifying our intelligence communities and the FAA to deal with this issue.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Genx87
In the 9-11 commission report they talk about the FAA's role and how it was more focused on easing congestion at the airports than dealing with terrorists. They even mention threats of suicidal hijackers.

This isnt really news to anybody who has read the book.

btw much of the FAA's organization and focus was created by Clintons administration. The Gore commision in 1997 set the security standards that were apparently easy to get around.

Trying to blame this on Bush is nothing but partisan hacking at its finest.
All administrations previous and including Bush's were at fault for not modifying our intelligence communities and the FAA to deal with this issue.
But this wasn't part of that 9/11 Commission book.
 

conjur

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The Bush administration has blocked the public release of the full, classified version of the report for more than five months,
I'd be curious to know how it was in the book if it's been supressed by the Bush admin.
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: conjur
The Bush administration has blocked the public release of the full, classified version of the report for more than five months,
I'd be curious to know how it was in the book if it's been supressed by the Bush admin.

Perhaps Jeff Gannon can tell us, Conjur. :roll:

He seems to have acquired, along with his White House press pass, the right to view classified information.

 

conjur

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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: conjur
The Bush administration has blocked the public release of the full, classified version of the report for more than five months,
I'd be curious to know how it was in the book if it's been supressed by the Bush admin.

Perhaps Jeff Gannon can tell us, Conjur. :roll:

He seems to have acquired, along with his White House press pass, the right to view classified information.
Wouldn't surprise me in the least!

Can you imagine if Gannon had been a "reporter" for a liberal rag and Clinton was in the White House. We'd be hearing the media cover it night and day and the right-wing would be calling for impeachment due to breaching national security.

Oh well...that's for another thread.
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: conjur
The Bush administration has blocked the public release of the full, classified version of the report for more than five months,
I'd be curious to know how it was in the book if it's been supressed by the Bush admin.

Perhaps Jeff Gannon can tell us, Conjur. :roll:

He seems to have acquired, along with his White House press pass, the right to view classified information.
Wouldn't surprise me in the least!

Can you imagine if Gannon had been a "reporter" for a liberal rag and Clinton was in the White House. We'd be hearing the media cover it night and day and the right-wing would be calling for impeachment due to breaching national security.

Oh well...that's for another thread.

That's a window into the complete and utter hypocrisy of this administration and the morons who blindly follow them.

 

Genx87

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I'd be curious to know how it was in the book if it's been supressed by the Bush admin.

What is the difference if they give details? They mention the suicidal hijackings.
This isnt news just somebody making a big deal about "classified" material. The gist of the story is in the book. Terrorists threats were known previous 9-11. And the focus was possibly suicidal hijackings versus the old school hijackings where you go to a foreign country and demand the release of somebody. But the FAA was more concerned with alleviating congestion than dealing with stopping terrorism.


 

Tommunist

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: broon
It's only bad depending on how it's presented. If it's twisted like "Bush knew 9/11 hijackers were coming!!!" of course it's bad for Bush. But it's not really true.
It's being twisted like that though, of course. There are people acting as if this "intel" gave concrete, advanced warnings of the attacks when the warnings issued were more like guesses. The article states:

"We had a lot of information about threats," said the spokeswoman, Laura J. Brown. "But we didn't have specific information about means or methods that would have enabled us to tailor any countermeasures."

Even if they actually knew that these were going to occur at some point in time, how would they be stopped? Detain all ME men and decide which ones look crazy enough to fly an airplane into a major landmark in the US?

it's not so much that this info may or may not have been the intel that stopped the attacks it's that it was purposely held to help with Bush's reellection. this is the kind of secretive BS that makes me very leary of this admin. I'm predicting now there will be a lot thigns released once Bush is out that will make people realize how sh!tty of a president he was.
 

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In the months before the Sept. 11 attacks

Information may have been available, not pulled together or fully understood; 20/20 hindsight works great.

What would have you wanted/expected the FAA to do, ground the complete airline system indefinately.

The object of the 9/11 commission was to understand what the problem was and come arouind with solutions to correct, not apportion blame. It tried to turn it into a partisan issue multiple times.
 

Genx87

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it's not so much that this info may or may not have been the intel that stopped the attacks it's that it was purposely held to help with Bush's reellection. this is the kind of secretive BS that makes me very leary of this admin. I'm predicting now there will be a lot thigns released once Bush is out that will make people realize how sh!tty of a president he was.

How? Nobody had enough intel to do much of anything with. If you can point me to information that said even sept 11th then Ill give you a cookie.

From reading this article the only thing in the classified files are detailed information on how the FAA worked. Whoopie do!
We already know they failed to protect the public. What else can you possibly dig up?
 

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Among other things, the report says that leaders of the F.A.A. received 52 intelligence reports from their security branch that mentioned Mr. bin Laden or Al Qaeda from April to Sept. 10, 2001. That represented half of all the intelligence summaries in that time.

10 POINTS for tlc for being a dick as usual?