9/11 Panel to reconsider Clarke statements

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Panel to reconsider Clarke statements


By James G. Lakely
THE WASHINGTON TIMES

The September 11 commission will look at the discrepancy between the testimony of Richard A. Clarke that the Clinton administration considered the threat of al Qaeda "urgent" and its final national-security report to Congress, which gave the terror organization scant mention.
Al Felzenberg, spokesman for the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks on the United States, said commission members are familiar with an article in yesterday's editions of The Washington Times, which showed that President Clinton's final public document on national security never referred to al Qaeda by name and mentioned Osama bin Laden just four times.
"We're still taking evidence. We know that certain people say many things," Mr. Felzenberg said. "It's not at the point yet where we can resolve apparent contradictions ... but we read all these reports with great interest.
"The commission has Clinton and Bush administration documents and will try to make a definitive conclusion when the time comes for that," he said.
White House spokesman Scott McClellan said the administration had seen The Times report and hoped that the September 11 panel would look at the entire decade in context.
"I saw the story today," he said on Air Force One yesterday. "Obviously a lot of these are issues that the 9-11 commission is looking at now as they work to complete their report. And they're looking not only at the eight months when this administration was in office prior to September 11, but the eight years prior to that as well, when these threats were building and emerging."
The Clinton administration's final document was 45,000 words long and titled "A National Security Strategy for a Global Age," but it hardly mentioned bin Laden and his terrorist network.
Mr. Clinton wrote in the preface, "We are blessed to be citizens of a country enjoying record prosperity with no deep divisions at home, no overriding external threats abroad, and history's most powerful military ready to defend our interests around the world."
Mr. Clarke has testified to the commission ? and has written in his best-selling book ? that as the top terrorism analyst for Mr. Bush and Mr. Clinton, he repeatedly warned that al Qaeda posed a significant and dangerous threat to the United States and urged strong military action.
The Clinton document consistently characterized terrorist attacks against Americans and U.S. interests as "crimes" and outlined how it was using diplomatic and economic pressure to bring the "perpetrators to justice."
The use of military force "should be selective and limited, reflecting the importance of the interests at stake," the document said.
Although the Clinton administration pledged in the report to retaliate militarily for the al Qaeda attack on the USS Cole in October 2000, no operation was carried out.
The only two military operations in which the Clinton administration committed a significant troop presence on the ground were in Bosnia-Herzegovina and Kosovo, which were undertaken to "support our humanitarian and other interests," the document says.
A senior Bush administration official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said yesterday that the report "invalidates the line of argument," pushed by Mr. Clarke, that the Clinton administration took the threat more seriously than Mr. Bush.
"We were seeking to implement a more aggressive strategy," the official said. "Our policy was to roll back the threat as opposed to just pick at al Qaeda."
Former Rep. Lee Hamilton, an Indiana Democrat and a member of the September 11 commission, said he "probably saw that document" and others like it before he resigned from Congress in 1999, "but I don't have any recollection of it, to be blunt."
Mr. Hamilton, who specialized in military and security issues during his congressional tenure, downplayed the report's significance.
"That's one of hundreds of documents that a president issues, [but] I don't draw any conclusions from that or compare" the Bush and Clinton administrations, he said.
Commission members Richard Ben-Veniste and Jamie Gorelick, whose questioning of Mr. Clarke was seen by the Bush camp as sympathetic to his version of events, did not return calls for comment yesterday.
Charlie Black, an informal adviser to the Bush-Cheney re-election campaign, said Mr. Clinton's final congressional terror report shows that his national-security team "really had weak responses and no sustained effort" against al Qaeda and global terrorism.
"The facts are pretty strong through the Clinton years that they were baffled by the terrorist attacks in the first World Trade Center bombing [in 1993], to the embassy bombings in Africa and to the Cole," Mr. Black said.
National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice will testify publicly before the September 11 commission tomorrow, and she is expected to give the Bush administration's final rebuttal to Mr. Clarke's accusations.
Mr. Clarke wrote in his book "Against All Enemies" that when he told her about the threat of al Qaeda, Miss Rice's "facial expression gave me the impression that she'd never heard the term before." Miss Rice also has been criticized for the speech she had planned to give on September 11, 2001, which focused on missile defense as a key national-security priority.
Miss Rice is expected to address those accusations as she lays out what antiterror policy the Bush administration was preparing before, and after, the September 11 attacks.
"We'll let Dr. Rice's testimony speak for itself," said the Bush administration official.
Mr. Black said he expects Miss Rice to "put to rest Mr. Clarke's charges."
"His credibility is pretty much shot," Mr. Black said. "I'm sure Dr. Rice will finish off what is left of it when she testifies."
 

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Damn Clinton. He should have mentioned Bin Laden 9 times.

Everyone knows 9 is the magic number!;)
 

conjur

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Well, it's pretty obvious that Clinton took terrorism seriously. Let's look at portions of that paper:

We have also seen international engagement enhance our ability to address asymmetric threats to our security, such as acts of terrorism and the desired procurement and use of WMD by potential regional aggressors. International counterterrorism cooperation, for example, led to the pre-emptive arrest of individuals planning to terrorize Americans at home and abroad celebrating the Millennium. Engagement efforts have already assembled an impressive record of international cooperation to harmonize legislation on terrorist offenses, conduct research and development, and create databases on terrorism. Strong U.S. overseas presence and engagement, enhanced by a network of multilateral agreements and arrangements, has enabled us to contain the proliferation of nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons and their means of delivery by potential regional aggressors


And:

Such enhancements to our diplomatic infrastructure will also help attract a new generation of professionals whose skill, dedication, and creativity are at the heart of our ability to use diplomacy to protect American interests. To both attract and retain these individuals, we must take every measure to keep our personnel safe overseas. The State Department is therefore implementing a broad program of security enhancements in response to continued threats of terrorism directed at U.S. diplomatic and consular facilities overseas. The investment is warranted. The cost to sustain and protect the diplomatic components of our peacetime power is a tiny fraction of the price associated with the crises averted by their presence.


And:

Combating Terrorism

The United States has mounted an aggressive response to terrorism. Our strategy pressures terrorists, deters attacks, and responds forcefully to terrorist acts. It combines enhanced law enforcement and intelligence efforts; vigorous diplomacy and economic sanctions; and, when necessary, military force. Domestically, we seek to stop terrorists before they act, and eliminate their support networks and financing. Overseas, we seek to eliminate terrorist sanctuaries; counter state and non-governmental support for terrorism; help other governments improve their physical and political counterterrorism, antiterrorism, and consequence management efforts; tighten embassy and military facility security; and protect U.S. citizens living and traveling abroad. Whether at home or abroad, we will respond to terrorism through defensive readiness of our facilities and personnel, and the ability of our terrorism consequence management efforts to mitigate injury and damage.

Our strategy requires us to both prevent and, if necessary, respond to terrorism. Prevention -- which includes intelligence collection, breaking up cells, and limiting the movement, planning, and organization of terrorists -- entails more unknowns and its effectiveness will never be fully proven or appreciated, but it is certainly the preferable path. For example, as a result of the quiet cooperation with some of our allies and among federal authorities, agencies, and local law enforcement, planned terrorist attacks within the United States and against U.S. interests abroad during the millennium celebration were thwarted. A major aspect of our prevention efforts is bolstering the political will and security capabilities of those states that are on the front lines to terrorist threats and that are disproportionately impacted by the expanding threat. This coalition of nations is imperative to the international effort to contain and fight the terrorism that threatens American interests.


Avenues of international trade provide a highway for the tools and weapons of international terrorists. The same sophisticated transportation network that can efficiently, safely, and reliably move people and goods is also equally attractive to those whose motives may be hostile, dangerous, or criminal. Systems that promote efficiency, volume and speed, fueling economic prosperity, create new challenges in the balance between policing and facilitating the transnational movements of people and goods. Globalization and electronic commerce transcend conventional borders, fast rendering traditional border security measures at air, land, and sea ports of entry ineffective or obsolete. Despite the challenges, we are developing tools to close off this avenue for terrorists. In this new environment, prudent, reasonable, and affordable security measures will require an approach transcending any particular transportation node or sector. The International Trade Data System (ITDS), already in initial implementation pilot testing, was created to foster an integrated system to electronically collect, use, and disseminate international trade and transportation data. By transcending transportation nodes and sectors, efforts like the ITDS project will foreclose opportunities terrorists may believe are emerging with globalization.

When terrorism occurs, despite our best efforts, we can neither forget the crime nor ever give up on bringing its perpetrators to justice. We make no concessions to terrorists. Since 1993, a dozen terrorist fugitives have been apprehended overseas and rendered, formally or informally, to the United States to answer for their crimes. These include the perpetrators of the World Trade Center bombing, the attack outside CIA headquarters, and an attack on a Pan Am flight more than 18 years ago. In 1998, the U.S. Armed Forces carried out strikes against a chemical weapons target and an active terrorist base operated by Usama bin Ladin, whose terror network had carried out bombings of American embassies in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam and planned still other attacks against Americans. We will likewise pursue the criminals responsible for the attack on the USS Cole in Yemen.

Whenever possible, we use law enforcement, diplomatic, and economic tools to wage the fight against terrorism. But there have been, and will be, times when those tools are not enough. As long as terrorists continue to target American citizens, we reserve the right to act in self-defense by striking at their bases and those who sponsor, assist, or actively support them, as we have done over the years in different countries.

Fighting terrorism requires a substantial commitment of financial, human, and political resources. Since 1993, both the FBI's counterterrorism budget and the number of FBI agents assigned to counterterrorism have more than doubled. The President has also created and filled the post of National Coordinator for Security, Infrastructure Protection, and Counterterrorism. Three presidential directives now coordinate the efforts of senior counterterrorism personnel from various government agencies in dealing with WMD and other threats at home. The FBI and the State Department, respectively, operate Rapid Deployment Teams and interagency Foreign Emergency Support Teams to deploy quickly to scenes of terrorist incidents worldwide.

However, it is not only the response capabilities that need significant resources. It is our preventive efforts, such as active diplomatic and military engagement, political pressure, economic sanctions, and bolstering allies' political and security capabilities, that also require strong financial support in order to squeeze terrorists before they act. Providing political support and economic assistance to front line states and other allies impacted by this threat expands the circle of nations fighting against threats to the United States. These preventive measures are an important partner to our counterterrorism response efforts.

We must continue to devote the necessary resources for America's strategy to combat terrorism, which integrates preventive and responsive measures and encompasses a graduated scale of enhanced law enforcement and intelligence gathering, vigorous diplomacy, and, where needed, military action.


And:

Afghanistan remains a serious threat to U.S. worldwide interests because of the Taliban's continued sheltering of international terrorists and its increasing export of illicit drugs. Afghanistan remains the primary safehaven for terrorists threatening the United States, including Usama bin Ladin. The United Nations and the United States have levied sanctions against the Taliban for harboring Usama bin Ladin and other terrorists, and will continue to pressure the Taliban until it complies with international requests to bring bin Ladin to justice. The United States remains concerned about those countries, including Pakistan, that support the Taliban and allow it to continue to harbor such radical elements. We are engaged in energetic diplomatic efforts, including through the United Nations and with Russia and other concerned countries, to address these concerns on an urgent basis.
 

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The truth is our gov't - clinton, bush, repubs, dems all failed us.

Could it have been stopped? Probably not.

The ACLU is suing over a specific no-fly list and this is after 9-11.

Do you honestly think that the govt could have done anything in the current pc world?

Whether or not you support bush or the war....please pray for the following:

Wisdom for our president.
Safety for our Troops.
Peace for the Iraqis
Peace for the world
 

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**Breaking News**

Clarke and Co. once again revising history. This time, during a grad-level class at Harvard:

After class, I asked him to explain who in the military ordered redeployment of forces from Somalia without permission of the president. I asked him specifically, "Who signed the redeployment order for those forces to leave Somalia?"

He finally clarified by saying "the secretary of defense." It seems Mr. Clarke was actually referring to the desire of the U.S. military leaders to leave Somalia rather than their ordering it without administration knowledge. Why is this important?

Because he purposely misled the class into believing the U.S. military, not the administration controlling the military, made the decision to leave Somalia at a critical time in the mission. When given a chance to correct the record, he chose not to do so. This was well before I knew Mr. Clarke had a book coming out or that he would have such a role in the current debate.
**Film at Eleven**
 

conjur

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"once-again"? That implies he has before...and he hasn't.

Just more character assassination from the right.
 

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"once-again"? That implies he has before...and he hasn't.
Just more character assassination from the right.

gee, didn't Condi Rice already testify before the committee?
Once again? Just more character assassination for the left.....
 

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Here's how 9/11 committee member John Lehman describes Clarke:

He was "a staff guy who was demoted who was obviously upset about it".

I think that says it all.
 

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Here's how 9/11 committee member John Lehman describes Clarke:

He was "a staff guy who was demoted who was obviously upset about it".

I think that says it all.


Lehman's my hero :)
 

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Its to bad the commission can't just perform its intended function..

What a f@cking joke..
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
"once-again"? That implies he has before...and he hasn't.
Just more character assassination from the right.

gee, didn't Condi Rice already testify before the committee?
Once again? Just more character assassination for the left.....

Nope...she's NEVER testified. She's only met, in private, and not under oath.


As for Lehman, he's the only one on the commission putting partisan politics into it. He was an embarrassment on Hannity and Colmes tonight. He should recuse himself from the commission.
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
"once-again"? That implies he has before...and he hasn't.
Just more character assassination from the right.

gee, didn't Condi Rice already testify before the committee?
Once again? Just more character assassination for the left.....

Nope...she's NEVER testified. She's only met, in private, and not under oath.


As for Lehman, he's the only one on the commission putting partisan politics into it. He was an embarrassment on Hannity and Colmes tonight. He should recuse himself from the commission.

Why because he torpedo'd your guy?

Clarke has absolutely no credibility.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
"once-again"? That implies he has before...and he hasn't.
Just more character assassination from the right.

gee, didn't Condi Rice already testify before the committee?
Once again? Just more character assassination for the left.....

Nope...she's NEVER testified. She's only met, in private, and not under oath.


As for Lehman, he's the only one on the commission putting partisan politics into it. He was an embarrassment on Hannity and Colmes tonight. He should recuse himself from the commission.

Why because he torpedo'd your guy?

Clarke has absolutely no credibility.

Clarke is perfectly credible.

He's never contradicted himself.

NEVER.
 

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Originally posted by: conjur

He's never contradicted himself.

NEVER.


He said he was going to donate money from the sale
of his book to 9/11 victims and later said he wouldn't.

He has contradicted himself, he just has really good excuses to do so...


 

FrodoB

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
"once-again"? That implies he has before...and he hasn't.
Just more character assassination from the right.

gee, didn't Condi Rice already testify before the committee?
Once again? Just more character assassination for the left.....

Nope...she's NEVER testified. She's only met, in private, and not under oath.


As for Lehman, he's the only one on the commission putting partisan politics into it. He was an embarrassment on Hannity and Colmes tonight. He should recuse himself from the commission.

Why because he torpedo'd your guy?

Clarke has absolutely no credibility.

Clarke is perfectly credible.

He's never contradicted himself.

NEVER.

Here's serious advice for you - seek professional help. You're so consumed with hatred that it's affecting your perception of reality.
 

Riprorin

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Clarke is perfectly credible.

He's never contradicted himself.

NEVER.

Clarke told reporters different story in 2002 background briefing

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- In August 2002, then-White House counterterrorism czar Richard Clarke told reporters that the Bush administration -- from day one -- told him to "vigorously pursue" the Clinton administration policy that allowed the United States to kill Osama bin Laden if the opportunity arose.

In addition, he said that in the spring of 2001 Bush committed to a "five-fold" increase in CIA resources dedicated to going after the al Qaeda leader.

"What we ended up with was a strategy to eliminate al Qaeda," Clarke told reporters in August 2002. "So the president recognizes very early on that you don't want to roll back al Qaeda over this long period of time, you want to eliminate al Qaeda on a much more accelerated timetable."

In a new book, Clarke accuses the Bush administration of neglecting the threat from bin Laden's al Qaeda terrorist network before the al Qaeda attacks on New York and Washington. Bush spokesman Scott McClellan said the difference between the 2002 remarks and those in his recent book "goes directly to Mr. Clarke's credibility."

"Dick Clarke, in his own words, provides a point-by-point rebuttal of what he now asserts," McClellan said. "This shatters the cornerstone of Mr. Clarke's assertions."

At the time of the briefing, ground rules allowed reporters to identify Clarke only as "a senior administration official." The White House waived that restriction after Fox News pointed out Clarke's remarks, McClellan said Wednesday.

Two administration officials called CNN to say Clarke's remarks from the 2002 briefing could be used and attributed to him by name.

"Mr. Clarke made assertions that we have said are flat-out wrong, and it's important for the American people to have the facts," McClellan said. "Mr. Clarke certainly decided on his own to go ahead and reveal conversations that were considered private previously."

In testimony Tuesday before the independent commission investigating the September 11 attacks, Clarke said he was asked to present information to reporters at that briefing "in a way that minimized criticism of the administration," but was not told to make "an untrue case."

"I was asked to highlight the positive aspects of what the administration had done and to minimize the negative aspects of what the administration had done," he said. "As a special assistant to the president, one is frequently asked to that kind of thing. I've done it for several presidents."

In the 2002 briefing, Clarke said, "President Bush told us in March (2001) to stop swatting at flies and just solve this problem." That, he said, changed U.S. national security policy "from one of rollback to one of elimination."

At another point in the briefing, Clarke was directly asked if he believed the new Bush team had "animus" toward Clinton administration holdovers and Clinton administration policies.

Clarke responded: "If there was a general animus that clouded their vision, they might not have kept the same guy dealing with the terrorism issue. This is the one issue where the National Security Council leadership decided continuity was important and kept the same guy around, the same team in place. That doesn't sound like animus against the, uh, previous team to me."

Clarke also told reporters at the time that there were some recommendations passed along from the Clinton to Bush administrations as to how to pursue al Qaeda, "but there was no plan" as in a detailed plan of action.

Given that, Clarke said the Bush administration decided to leave the existing policy in place, "including all of the lethal covert action findings" allowing attempts to kill bin Laden, while initiating a new review designed to settle unresolved issues from the Clinton years and also to develop a new strategy for confronting al Qaeda.

Clarke in his book and in interviews promoting it has suggested there was little urgency in the early days of the Bush administration about al Qaeda. But in the August 2002 briefing he credits the Bush administration with trying to resolve the policy disputes that were not settled in the Clinton days, and credited the Bush team with moving in the spring of 2001 to open a dialogue with Pakistan designed to get Islamabad "to break away from the Taliban."

 

conjur

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That "story" has been refuted already:

Richard Clarke clears the air over the FOX News transcript. NO contradictions...only forced spin by the Bush Admin
 

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Oh, so Clarke's not a liar because he says so. Gee, that carries a lot of weight.

So, he claims he was a shill for Bush, now he's a shill against him.

Which Dick Clarke are we supposed to believe?

Given that he's angry bureaucrat that's pissed off that he got demoted and he's hawking a book, I think I know where I stand!
 

conjur

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He never said he was a shill. As for the book, he wanted it released last year but it was delayed by the White House for MONTHS. Clarke even gave an interview with New Yorker magazine in June 2003 and made the same statements as in his testimony.

Clarke was sent by the Bush Administration to give the interview to give a positive review of the Bush Administration's policies because of criticisms leveled at it post-9/11. Clarke was working for the Bush Administration and was giving an anonymous press backgrounder. He intentionally gave less detail on the timeline in order for it to seem as if the Bush Administration was doing something. When one looks more into the detail of the timeline, one sees that Clarke was telling the truth.

I think it's incredibly hypocritical of the Bushies to use something against Clarke that *they* sent him to do! Besides, there are SEVERAL other people with corroborating recollections and opinions of the Bush Administration. Or have you missed this:

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=52&threadid=1286640
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: conjur
He never said he was a shill. As for the book, he wanted it released last year but it was delayed by the White House for MONTHS. Clarke even gave an interview with New Yorker magazine in June 2003 and made the same statements as in his testimony.

Clarke was sent by the Bush Administration to give the interview to give a positive review of the Bush Administration's policies because of criticisms leveled at it post-9/11. Clarke was working for the Bush Administration and was giving an anonymous press backgrounder. He intentionally gave less detail on the timeline in order for it to seem as if the Bush Administration was doing something. When one looks more into the detail of the timeline, one sees that Clarke was telling the truth.

I think it's incredibly hypocritical of the Bushies to use something against Clarke that *they* sent him to do! Besides, there are SEVERAL other people with corroborating recollections and opinions of the Bush Administration. Or have you missed this:

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=52&threadid=1286640

Are there any that haven't been fired, demoted, or are trying to sell a book?

By any chance are you a Kerry staffer?
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: conjur
He never said he was a shill. As for the book, he wanted it released last year but it was delayed by the White House for MONTHS. Clarke even gave an interview with New Yorker magazine in June 2003 and made the same statements as in his testimony.

Clarke was sent by the Bush Administration to give the interview to give a positive review of the Bush Administration's policies because of criticisms leveled at it post-9/11. Clarke was working for the Bush Administration and was giving an anonymous press backgrounder. He intentionally gave less detail on the timeline in order for it to seem as if the Bush Administration was doing something. When one looks more into the detail of the timeline, one sees that Clarke was telling the truth.

I think it's incredibly hypocritical of the Bushies to use something against Clarke that *they* sent him to do! Besides, there are SEVERAL other people with corroborating recollections and opinions of the Bush Administration. Or have you missed this:

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=52&threadid=1286640

Are there any that haven't been fired, demoted, or are trying to sell a book?

By any chance are you a Kerry staffer?

Clarke was not demoted. He had the same position. The position was changed to report to a deputy-level instead of a Principals-level. That shows right there that the Bush Administration was less concerned with counterterrorism than the previous administration.

Rand Beers resigned just a couple of months into his new job as Clarke's replacement. Beers completely jumped ship from Republican to Democrat after seeing the war-mongers at work.

And...Greg Thielmann

And then there are John DiJulio and Paul O'Neill:

That brings us back to another aspect of W that should be discussed. This isn¹t even Suskind¹s first expose of W¹s stupidity. Another former high-level official in the Bush administration, who had to leave in revulsion, was John DiJulio. DiJulio, who told all about the inner workings of your administration in the article "Why Are These Men Laughing," which appeared in the January 2003 issue of Esquire. He said, "There were no actual policy white papers on domestic issues. ?. Every modern presidency moves on the fly, but, on social policy and related issues, the lack of even basic policy knowledge, and the only casual interest in knowing more, was somewhat breathtaking?discussions by fairly senior people who meant Medicaid but were talking Medicare; near-instant shifts from discussing any actual policy pros and cons to discussing political communications, media strategy, et cetera."

The full circle is that O'Neill says the same thing about W that DiJulio did. I¹m not making this up. In the article, "O'Neill Depicts a Disengaged President", O'Neill states, "President Bush showed little interest in policy discussions in his first two years in the White House, leading Cabinet meetings "like a blind man in a roomful of deaf people," former Treasury secretary Paul H. O'Neill says in an upcoming book on the Bush White House."
 

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Originally posted by: conjur



Clarke was not demoted. He had the same position. The position was changed to report to a deputy-level instead of a Principals-level. That shows right there that the Bush Administration was less concerned with counterterrorism than the previous administration.
I almost let that go, but that part right there in bold, well that is one of the many messages
that the democratic party is relying on to bury Bush..

It is not true or false or capable of being proved true or false.

It is typical emotional pandering and
you fell for it hook, line and sucker...