9/11 Depression

[piasabird]

This anniversery of the 9/11 attack is depressing. The stupid ass media is trying to depress the entire world into committing suicide. Just lay a wreath and be done with it. Let the buglar play a song and call it a day. I turned the tv off in the morning and started watching korean movies.

 

[JSt0rm]

ok

 

[Infohawk]

The news media is a continual onslaught of bad/depressing news. It's about balance. If you spend your entire weekend watching 9/11 shows you have bigger problems.

With that said 9/11 was a huge day for the US. It makes sense for the people or family members involved to have an actual remembrance.

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

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[Craig234]

For what it's worth, I think over-attention to it is harmful as well. It tends to create emotions that are easily turned into hate and vengeance. 'Someone has to pay!'

More useful would be to remember that the people who did 9/11 wanted to create hate and war between the west and Muslims - so oppose them by not doing that.

Unfortunately, it's easy for media and politicians to use it for gain.

 

[Thump553]

I kind of wish Irene, with its week long blackout, came through now instead of two weeks ago.

 

[ThatsABigOne]

^^ I thought of that too.

 

[Whiskey16]

For what it's worth, I think over-attention to it is harmful as well. It tends to create emotions that are easily turned into hate and vengeance. 'Someone has to pay!'

The Iraq war.

For specific elements of the previous US administration, the events of 11 September 2001 were an oft spoken desire to enable broad strategic extremes. That was how it played out.

That such goals were enacted are sad demonstrations of the USA and other's (UK, Italy, Australia, Denmark, Poland, etc...) irreprehensible tendancies. Most of those state have at least initiated inquiries upon their role into that warfare. Out of regressive notions of exceptionalism and vulnerabilities upon national pride the USA continues in a culture of impunity.

Perknose just started a thread concerning love of nation in relation to Sept 11. Unfortunately this very same universal factor for national unity is a common enabler for countless war of aggression throughout history. Members of the Bush administration counted up it. This very same endearance to state well-being is what maintains the avoidance of the USA in coming to full terms of its crimes committed under the auspices of September 11. The USA is exceptional among states in that it continues with blinders against facing inquries for responsibilies, or at least causes, for actions.

The war in Iraq was of a crime that was graver than the acts upon that horrible day nearly 10 years ago. As such, the chosen actions that succeeded Sept 11 warranted the squandering of much of the sympathy that was deserving upon the USA, as a state. The individuals that suffered on the day will forever be warranted respect and good will for their loss, but as a collective political state, the USA, understandably, lost much of it.

 

[MovingTarget]

NEW YORK—Promising to cover the event responsibly and with the kind of delicate restraint it deserves, the nation's cable news outlets announced Monday that while they would be devoting some airtime to the 10th anniversary of 9/11, they "certainly wouldn't be going overboard with it."

http://www.theonion.com/articles/responsible-cable-news-outlets-to-devote-sensible,21284/

 

[Moonbeam]

We hate ourselves and can't take any emotions that bring us down because we already feel way way down. It's that up to your nose in shit, don't make a wave syndrome. If you can learn to get in touch with what you feel, you will welcome others doing the same.

 

[PottedMeat]

http://www.theawl.com/2011/09/an-in...3A+TheAwl+(The+Awl)&utm_content=Google+Reader

• "20/20: Remembrance and Renewal: 10 Years after the 9/11 Attacks" (ABC)
• "102 Minutes That Changed America" (History Channel)
• "9/11: 10 Years Later" (CBS)
• "9/11: America Remembers Ten Years Later: A Special Edition of Good Morning America" (ABC)
• "9/11: Day That Changed the World" (Smithsonian Channel)
• "9/11: Heroes of the 88th Floor" (TLC)
• "9/11: In Our Own Words" (MSNBC)
• "9/11: Rising Above" (NBC)
• "9/11: State of Emergency" (History Channel)
• "9/11: Stories in Fragment" (Smithsonian Channel)
• "9/11: Ten Years Later" (ReelzChannel)
• "9/11: The Days After" (History Channel)
• "9/11: Timeline of Terror" (Fox News)
• "9/11: Where Were You?" (National Geographic Channel)
• "A Nation Remembers: The Story of the Pentagon Memorial" (ABC)
• "America Remembers" (CBS)
• "America Remembers" (NBC)
• "American Greed: 9/11 Fraud" (CNBC)
• "Angels Among Us" (CMT)
• "Beyond 9/11: Portraits of Resilience" (CNN)
• "Beyond Bravery: The Women of 9/11" (CNN)
• "Beyond: Messages from 9/11" (BIO)
• "Children of 9/11" (NBC)
• "CIA Confidential: 9/11 Mastermind" (National Geographic Channel)
• "Clash of Civilizations" (Al Jazeera English)
• "Countdown to Ground Zero" (History Channel)
• "Day of Destruction—Decade of War" (MSNBC)
• "Dr. Sanjay Gupta Reports: Terror in the Dust" (CNN)
• "Engineering Ground Zero" (PBS)
• "Faith and Doubt at Ground Zero" (PBS)
• "Flight 175: As the World Watched" (TLC)
• "Fox News Reporting: Freedom Rising" (Fox News)
• "Footnotes of 9/11" (CNN)
• "From the Ground Up" (OWN)
• "George W. Bush: The 9/11 Interview" (National Geographic Channel)
• "Giuliani's 9/11" (National Geographic Channel)
• "Hotel Ground Zero" (History Channel)
• "I Survived ... 9/11" (BIO)
• "ID Investigates: 9/11 Crime Scene Investigations" (Investigation Discovery Channel)
• "In Memoriam: New York City, 9/11/01" (HBO)
• "Inside 9/11: War on America" (National Geographic Channel)
• "Inside 9/11: Zero Hour" (National Geographic Channel)
• "Justice in a Time of Terror" (CBS)
• "Making the 9/11 Memorial" (History Channel)
• "Miracle Detectives: Miracles of 9/11" (OWN)
• "Nine Innings from Ground Zero" (HBO)
• "Objects and Memory" (PBS)
• "On Native Soil" (MSNBC)
• "Portraits from Ground Zero" (A&E)
• "Rebirth" (Showtime)
• "Reflections on 9/11: New York Mets Remember" (SportsNet NY)
• "Return to Shanksville" (WQED)
• "Rising: Rebuilding Ground Zero" (Science Channel)
• "Targeting bin Laden" (History Channel)
• "The Concert for New York City: Ten Years Later" (VH1)
• "The Day the Towers Fell" (History Channel)
• "The Image War" (Al Jazeera English)
• "The Intelligence War" (Al Jazeera English)
• "The Liquid Bomb Plot" (National Geographic Channel)
• "The Love We Make" (Showtime)
• "The Man Who Knew" (PBS)
• "The Man Who Predicted 9/11" (History Channel)
• "The Miracle of Stairway B" (History Channel)
• "The Suze Orman Show: Money Lessons from 9/11" (CNBC)
• "The World Trade Center: Rise and Fall of an American Icon" (History Channel)
• "Top Secret America" (PBS)
• "Twins of the Twin Towers" (OWN)
• "Voices from Inside the Towers" (History Channel)
• "Voices of 9/11" (National Geographic Channel)
• "When Pop Culture Saved America" (BIO)
• "Witness: DC 9/11" (National Geographic Channel)

i'll turn on the tv for breaking bad then turn it off.

 

[spittledip]

So much of the money made in this world is based on exploitation. This is just one example. Yeah, this is about money.

9/11 is also my birthday

 

[MovingTarget]

http://www.theawl.com/2011/09/an-in...d:+TheAwl+(The+Awl)&utm_content=Google+Reader



i'll turn on the tv for breaking bad then turn it off.

A good decision, friend. :thumbsup:

 

[dwell]

Totally depressing. Avoiding all media this weekend. There's a random checkpoint outside my building which is a constant reminder. Should get out of here but will be reminders everywhere I go. 10 years and it's just as depressing as day one.

 

[nageov3t]

I'm avoiding the media tomorrow.

I figure, I'll commemorate 9/11 by doing things that Osama bin Laden would hate.

I'm thinking, gay porn, BTL on rye bread, and watching Fiddler on the Roof.

 

[MovingTarget]

So much of the money made in this world is based on exploitation. This is just one example. Yeah, this is about money.

9/11 is also my birthday

You know, I first saw this thread and though it was about economics. You really could call the "Great Recession" the "9/11 Depression". Who knows, it could catch on with historians.

Also, happy birthday!

 

[Jaskalas]

With that said 9/11 was a huge day for the US. It makes sense for the people or family members involved to have an actual remembrance.

You mean like the first responders barred by the politicians who need their moment of glory?

9/11 should be remembered... though I wonder if it's remembered all wrong. Should be a somber memorial where we say goodbye to those we lost, and thank you to the responders who were sacrificed. A dedication to those who remain, including those whose health was lost in the debris cloud.

Politicians and politics should not tread on sacred ground.

 

[Infohawk]

Politicians and politics should not tread on sacred ground.

I'm guessing that politicians from both parties are going to be there. I can be cynical too but this is pretty straightforward. It goes beyond politics.

 

[UberNeuman]

I'm avoiding the media tomorrow.

I figure, I'll commemorate 9/11 by doing things that Osama bin Laden would hate.

I'm thinking, gay porn, BTL on rye bread, and watching Fiddler on the Roof.

\also, big on the bin Laden hate list: salt water.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

For what it's worth, I think over-attention to it is harmful as well. It tends to create emotions that are easily turned into hate and vengeance. 'Someone has to pay!'

More useful would be to remember that the people who did 9/11 wanted to create hate and war between the west and Muslims - so oppose them by not doing that.

Unfortunately, it's easy for media and politicians to use it for gain.

All the shows I've seen have been on the bent of rememberance... Retrospectives. They are pretty much leaving the attacks/attackers on the back burner choosing instead to relive the accounts of the people who were there and remember them for the people they were.

Osama is dead. KSM is still in jail. We've devastated two countries...

I don't see a call for war here. There's no new hatred. The shows I've seen are more like a memorial. I know you still jerk off to the idea of how Gore would have handled things if the election hadn't been 'stolen' from him, but if you bothered to look at the 9/11 shows out there this weekend you'd realize that they are pretty much on par with what you're asking for.

 

[randomrogue]

The media is overzealous. Most of us learned 9 years ago that you don't watch TV or listen to the radio the day before or the day of. Problem solved.

 

[Doppel]

This anniversery of the 9/11 attack is depressing. The stupid ass media is trying to depress the entire world into committing suicide. Just lay a wreath and be done with it. Let the buglar play a song and call it a day. I turned the tv off in the morning and started watching korean movies.

Not depressing me at all. Just ignoring it. Curious/stupid the way each time there is an anniversary of some point more audio footage is released. Why? To fuel the anger? Pathetic.

 

[Craig234]

All the shows I've seen have been on the bent of rememberance... Retrospectives. They are pretty much leaving the attacks/attackers on the back burner choosing instead to relive the accounts of the people who were there and remember them for the people they were.

Osama is dead. KSM is still in jail. We've devastated two countries...

I don't see a call for war here. There's no new hatred. The shows I've seen are more like a memorial. I know you still jerk off to the idea of how Gore would have handled things if the election hadn't been 'stolen' from him, but if you bothered to look at the 9/11 shows out there this weekend you'd realize that they are pretty much on par with what you're asking for.

Yes, my point was, that an excess of 'national mourning' creates one emotion, that easily turns into another, needing an outlet.

This is why 'Remember the Alamo' and Remember the Maine', while about 'remember the losses', were really war cries.

When the nation feels a great loss, it is easy for that to turn to anger, to shame, to desire an act to 'strike back', and that looks for something to do.

I don't think we're close to having that turn to war now; that was in the aftermath of 9/11, when it could be used for support for Iraq. But I do think that it can easily still feed anti-Muslim feelings, feeding bad relations, hate, tensions, and prevent the sort of positive relationships it'd be better to have with Muslim countries, even more just at the time many of them are forming new governments after overthrowing dictators.

The reaction to 'building Mosques', especially 'near ground zero', is an indication; we have $42 million being spent to fuel anti-Muslim sentiment we know of, we have a presidential candidate saying he supports a ban on building any new mosques in the US.

It's ironic considering that Muslims were the targets of 9/11 just as we were and suffered much greater losses as a result - the attacks were intended to get the US to invade a Muslim nation, which would get the Muslim world to stop shunning Al Queda and instead support them in anger at the west, they hoped.

The request to hate someone in remembrance events isn't explicit, but it's a natural reaction. We should keep the event in perspective. We're not likely to go so far as to tie in a call for positive relations as I mention above, any more than they're calling for anger, but it does create emotion.

It's a little like how rebellions in the Middle East often are driven by ceremonies to remember the victims of the regime. They don't need to say a word about anger at the regime. The emotions from the even easily fuel that anger. I'm just encouraging people not to let the sorrow of the losses do that to further harm relations and how the feel about Muslims.

You don't understand my position on Gore. It's not about 'how he would have handled 9/11'. It's about not having democracy corrupted, about the person the people chose winning the election. I don't like that the election was wrongly decided against the will of the people. It also happens to be the case I don't like a lot of bad policies Bush allowed our government to do - but they're not the point. If the situation were reversed, I'd say that as much as I opposed him, Bush should have been awarded the office as a matter of democracy. I just wouldn't mind as much, saying that one set of unfair events canceled the corporate corruption for Bush.

So it's not just about my preference for Gore over Bush - it's about simply having the election follow democracy. One set of issues is how the actual votes were not counted correctly or voters were wrongly denied the right to vote; there are also issues about things like the role of corporate money in elections. In this case, both were a problem. IMO, you are supporting an un-American opposition to democracy, defending the corruption of an election with trashy lines.

 

[gevorg]

This is all I'll watch about 9/11 today:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CxKA1uETxE

 

[Craig234]

The media is overzealous. Most of us learned 9 years ago that you don't watch TV or listen to the radio the day before or the day of. Problem solved.

PBS/NPR are just as bad as others, I guess they feel they have some 'national obligation on this.

But the radio had long shows of people telling their stories; and TV had, of all things, a 'symphony for 9/11 hosted by Tom Brokaw'.

They said the day on the radio would be filled with 9/11 shows.