9/11 Conspiracy Proof *updated*

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282
Actually there hasn't been even one peer reviewed paper from any so called expert that challenges the various official government reports of the 9/11 investigations.

ftfy

 

[Number1]

The concept of flying two planes into the biggest buildings in New york and then inplode the buildings is ridiculous. Wouldn't the airplane attack on its own be enough to make your point? There would be NO NEED to subsequently bring down the towers considering the added risk of getting discovered while ringing the structures with explosives. And why rig the building so that it would implode. That would look suspicious.

If you want to bring down the buildings, it would be a lot simpler to rig a lot of explosive in the basement and just blow it up and blame it on the terrorists. But then if you do this, what do you need the planes for?

And then implode WTC 7!!! Why? there is no need for it, you just succeeding in flying two giant aircraft into the two biggest buildings in New York.

Its just pure lunacy. The scenario does not make sense.

 

[thepd7]

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282

Originally posted by: foghorn67

Originally posted by: So
Remember, 99% of the time, when someone asks you to have an open mind, they are really trying to demand you have an EMPTY mind.

Sig Worthy!!!

How cute, the sheep are jerking each other off now.

What So said has to be one of the stupidest things I have ever read on these forums.

OMG THE SHEEPLES...SAVE TEH SHEEPLES!!!



The greatest part is the biased link with the exchange between Rumsfield, Bush, and Rove. Classic.

 

[oddyager]

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282

Originally posted by: BeauJangles

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
You make a poor assumption thinking that all I know is the superficial aspects that the "media" plops out there without looking past the surface. If anything that describes most truthers. They know nothing more than what they can find on some paranoid whackjob's website, which is why most can't explain much of anything on their own words and have to copy & paste replies. There's not a sinlge truther in here willing to lay out there own comprehensive explanation of how 9/11 went down, according to their beliefs. All they do is point to little disparate shards that they deem to be facts and tell people to "connect the dots." That's pure, unadulterated bulshit. Most of there little factoids completely wilt under any scrutiny anyway and they resort to distorted generalizations, and ignominiously exclaim 'How dare anyone question me when I'm just looking for "truth."'

You know why truthers don't lay out any detailed, comprehensive outline of how 9/11 went down? It's because they already tried. Loose Change tried and it got shot down. So they "edited" their film, and it got shot down again. So they re-edited it. Seems that if they were really looking for truth they would do some due diligence and fact checking instead of being so loose and fast with those same facts. If they have the truth then why the need to distort statements, cherry pick quotes, employ bad science, and avoid all the facts that we do already know?

Oh, as far as Kennedy:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27705829/

Maybe that conspiracy can finally be put to rest? I doubt it though because truthers are like religious zealots. They firmly believe and they'll be damned if they actually let facts get in the way of being a true believer.

*sigh* the power of google. They never explained how the SECOND PASSENGER was affected. Are you being sarcastic though with that link?

Loose Change may be all wrong or may not. Where are they cited as the EXPERT?

Like I said, no one has all the answers....doesn't mean they are all wrong though.

I think it's funny how in things like this the people that mostly have nothing to say try and use as many of the biggest words they can.

alkemyst, it is a waste of time trying to even argue with these people. They only believe the open ended evidence that is provided to them by their trustworthy government. Our sources are always wrong and theirs are always right. It is because of people like TastesLikeChicken (who are in fact the majority) that our government gets away with murder.

Your sources? Don't you dare start throwing around a word like sources.

Those who support the "theory" that planes brought down 9/11 is a who's-who of physicists, demolition companies, engineers, and researchers.

The "sources" put forward by the conspiracy theorists are from youtube videos and people with zero credibility or qualifications to make the statements that they do.


Thanks!

Actually there have been many credible reports from physicists, demolition experts, engineers, and researchers that claim there is more to 9/11 than we have been told. Of course you wont listen to anything they have to say because in your mind they must be nutjobs for going against the grain. If the evidence you claim is absolute 100% proof that our government is correct, then why would anyone question it? Many tragic things have happened to us through out our history. No one disputes those because the evidence didn't leave us with unanswered questions.

Probably for the same reasons people question whether the Apollo 11 landing was real.

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282

Originally posted by: BeauJangles

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
You make a poor assumption thinking that all I know is the superficial aspects that the "media" plops out there without looking past the surface. If anything that describes most truthers. They know nothing more than what they can find on some paranoid whackjob's website, which is why most can't explain much of anything on their own words and have to copy & paste replies. There's not a sinlge truther in here willing to lay out there own comprehensive explanation of how 9/11 went down, according to their beliefs. All they do is point to little disparate shards that they deem to be facts and tell people to "connect the dots." That's pure, unadulterated bulshit. Most of there little factoids completely wilt under any scrutiny anyway and they resort to distorted generalizations, and ignominiously exclaim 'How dare anyone question me when I'm just looking for "truth."'

You know why truthers don't lay out any detailed, comprehensive outline of how 9/11 went down? It's because they already tried. Loose Change tried and it got shot down. So they "edited" their film, and it got shot down again. So they re-edited it. Seems that if they were really looking for truth they would do some due diligence and fact checking instead of being so loose and fast with those same facts. If they have the truth then why the need to distort statements, cherry pick quotes, employ bad science, and avoid all the facts that we do already know?

Oh, as far as Kennedy:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27705829/

Maybe that conspiracy can finally be put to rest? I doubt it though because truthers are like religious zealots. They firmly believe and they'll be damned if they actually let facts get in the way of being a true believer.

*sigh* the power of google. They never explained how the SECOND PASSENGER was affected. Are you being sarcastic though with that link?

Loose Change may be all wrong or may not. Where are they cited as the EXPERT?

Like I said, no one has all the answers....doesn't mean they are all wrong though.

I think it's funny how in things like this the people that mostly have nothing to say try and use as many of the biggest words they can.

alkemyst, it is a waste of time trying to even argue with these people. They only believe the open ended evidence that is provided to them by their trustworthy government. Our sources are always wrong and theirs are always right. It is because of people like TastesLikeChicken (who are in fact the majority) that our government gets away with murder.

Your sources? Don't you dare start throwing around a word like sources.

Those who support the "theory" that planes brought down 9/11 is a who's-who of physicists, demolition companies, engineers, and researchers.

The "sources" put forward by the conspiracy theorists are from youtube videos and people with zero credibility or qualifications to make the statements that they do.


Thanks!

Actually there have been many credible reports from physicists, demolition experts, engineers, and researchers that claim there is more to 9/11 than we have been told. Of course you wont listen to anything they have to say because in your mind they must be nutjobs for going against the grain. If the evidence you claim is absolute 100% proof that our government is correct, then why would anyone question it? Many tragic things have happened to us through out our history. No one disputes those because the evidence didn't leave us with unanswered questions.

Oh that's nice and vague.

Who exactly is "against" the government's position? Name some names if there are so many and we'll quickly discover one of two things. Either, you're going to point to people that have ZERO qualifications or you're going to point to disagreements amongst engineers about how the buildings came down after the planes hit, not whether planes brought down the buildings.


Can you also answer my questions from above? They're pretty straightforward.

 

[Iron Woode]

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282

Originally posted by: BeauJangles

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
You make a poor assumption thinking that all I know is the superficial aspects that the "media" plops out there without looking past the surface. If anything that describes most truthers. They know nothing more than what they can find on some paranoid whackjob's website, which is why most can't explain much of anything on their own words and have to copy & paste replies. There's not a sinlge truther in here willing to lay out there own comprehensive explanation of how 9/11 went down, according to their beliefs. All they do is point to little disparate shards that they deem to be facts and tell people to "connect the dots." That's pure, unadulterated bulshit. Most of there little factoids completely wilt under any scrutiny anyway and they resort to distorted generalizations, and ignominiously exclaim 'How dare anyone question me when I'm just looking for "truth."'

You know why truthers don't lay out any detailed, comprehensive outline of how 9/11 went down? It's because they already tried. Loose Change tried and it got shot down. So they "edited" their film, and it got shot down again. So they re-edited it. Seems that if they were really looking for truth they would do some due diligence and fact checking instead of being so loose and fast with those same facts. If they have the truth then why the need to distort statements, cherry pick quotes, employ bad science, and avoid all the facts that we do already know?

Oh, as far as Kennedy:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27705829/

Maybe that conspiracy can finally be put to rest? I doubt it though because truthers are like religious zealots. They firmly believe and they'll be damned if they actually let facts get in the way of being a true believer.

*sigh* the power of google. They never explained how the SECOND PASSENGER was affected. Are you being sarcastic though with that link?

Loose Change may be all wrong or may not. Where are they cited as the EXPERT?

Like I said, no one has all the answers....doesn't mean they are all wrong though.

I think it's funny how in things like this the people that mostly have nothing to say try and use as many of the biggest words they can.

alkemyst, it is a waste of time trying to even argue with these people. They only believe the open ended evidence that is provided to them by their trustworthy government. Our sources are always wrong and theirs are always right. It is because of people like TastesLikeChicken (who are in fact the majority) that our government gets away with murder.

Your sources? Don't you dare start throwing around a word like sources.

Those who support the "theory" that planes brought down 9/11 is a who's-who of physicists, demolition companies, engineers, and researchers.

The "sources" put forward by the conspiracy theorists are from youtube videos and people with zero credibility or qualifications to make the statements that they do.


Thanks!

Actually there have been many credible reports from physicists, demolition experts, engineers, and researchers that claim there is more to 9/11 than we have been told. Of course you wont listen to anything they have to say because in your mind they must be nutjobs for going against the grain. If the evidence you claim is absolute 100% proof that our government is correct, then why would anyone question it? Many tragic things have happened to us through out our history. No one disputes those because the evidence didn't leave us with unanswered questions.

Wow. Just wow.

the best part is "If the evidence you claim is absolute 100% proof that our government is correct, then why would anyone question it?". LOL.

Its called paranoia.

I suggest psychiatric therapy is in order. And stop posting would be a great start.

 

[Tempered81]

the 9/11 conspiracy is as obvious as the zeppelin, richt-stag, kennedy assasination, moon landing, etc. Just gotta deal with it, life goes on.

as far as WTC plane/bomb goes, watch this video:

http://video.google.com/videop...id=7866929448192753501

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: jaredpace
the 9/11 conspiracy is as obvious as the zeppelin, richt-stag, kennedy assasination, moon landing, etc. Just gotta deal with it, life goes on.

as far as WTC plane/bomb goes, watch this video:

http://video.google.com/videop...id=7866929448192753501

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

:roll:

http://wtc.nist.gov/

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: BeauJangles
What?

Like I said, tell me WHO was involved if you know. Otherwise, I made a pretty conservative estimate based on the conspiracy websites out there.

Second, if it wasn't thermite, then what was it and where is the evidence that it was at ground zero? I was taking the most common "evidence" and showing that it doesn't really prove anything.

No one knows for sure WHO was involved...

I am not out to prove anything. However; nothing has really been proven. It's all the best case explaination we have been given.

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: BeauJangles
What?

Like I said, tell me WHO was involved if you know. Otherwise, I made a pretty conservative estimate based on the conspiracy websites out there.

Second, if it wasn't thermite, then what was it and where is the evidence that it was at ground zero? I was taking the most common "evidence" and showing that it doesn't really prove anything.

No one knows for sure WHO was involved...

I am not out to prove anything. However; nothing has really been proven. It's all the best case explaination we have been given.

No, that's the exact problem.

There is no other narrative than the one that is the truth -- hijackers slammed planes into the buildings. There is no other story because no other story fits the facts and the minute conspiracy theorists come to understand this, we can all move on in our lives.

 

[Tempered81]

Larry Silverstein?

haha

 

[Sinsear]

Can we lock this now? The children have had their fun.

 

[Ns1]

You guys must really like the abuse.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: BeauJangles
No, that's the exact problem.

There is no other narrative than the one that is the truth -- hijackers slammed planes into the buildings. There is no other story because no other story fits the facts and the minute conspiracy theorists come to understand this, we can all move on in our lives.

The exact problem is your mindset. Ok, they did it...game over.

WHO had them do it though?

You can go on your merry way in your SUV with your Starbucks, do your 9-5, rinse and repeat each day. Believe what you'd like, don't force me to buy some fucking lame ass story every other day to feel all comfy with the world as we know it.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Sinsear
Can we lock this now? The children have had their fun.

go vote to burn some books or something.

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: BeauJangles
No, that's the exact problem.

There is no other narrative than the one that is the truth -- hijackers slammed planes into the buildings. There is no other story because no other story fits the facts and the minute conspiracy theorists come to understand this, we can all move on in our lives.

The exact problem is your mindset. Ok, they did it...game over.

WHO had them do it though?

You can go on your merry way in your SUV with your Starbucks, do your 9-5, rinse and repeat each day. Believe what you'd like, don't force me to buy some fucking lame ass story every other day to feel all comfy with the world as we know it.

Problem with my mindset?

There is no other story here, no matter how much people try to dig for thermate, weapons pods, aliens, missiles, or whatever... planes brought down the WTC.

Who had them do it? Do you have any proof that it wasn't Al Queda? Any? I mean, okay, the underpants gnomes paid the hijackers to do it so that Larry Silverstein's safe, full of rare underpants, could be successfully stolen during the recovery effort.

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: jaredpace
Larry Silverstein?

haha

Do you even have any idea what you're saying, or do you just try to be funny?

 

[darkswordsman17]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: BeauJangles
No, that's the exact problem.

There is no other narrative than the one that is the truth -- hijackers slammed planes into the buildings. There is no other story because no other story fits the facts and the minute conspiracy theorists come to understand this, we can all move on in our lives.

The exact problem is your mindset. Ok, they did it...game over.

WHO had them do it though?

Believe what you'd like, don't force me to buy some fucking lame ass story every other day to feel all comfy with the world as we know it.

You mean, as opposed to the multitude of other lameass stories you did buy into?

WHO had them do it? I'm pretty sure they did it of their own accord. I would think it'd be difficult to convince people to train for months to go on suicide missions if they didn't believe in the cause.

I deleted the other part because, well, it was just pointless, and stupid.

 

[Wheezer]

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282
You guys are absolutely hopeless. 6 pages and all you are doing is bashing my character and making fun of one stupid spelling error. Don't even take in to consideration that the man WAS FUCKING THERE, or the fact that the 9/11 commission did not include his testimony in their final report. He is not the only one that has spoken about explosions in the basement. Many other fire fighters, survivors, and people in the area have reported hearing the same explosions before the plane hit.

Lets face it...if the government wasn't so shady about the whole fiasco then there wouldn't be conspiracy theories surrounding it.

100's of cameras are placed around the pentagon....yet they release they release a slideshow POS recording in which you cant even make out the plane.

Building 7 was said to have collapse due to fires. Sorry, maybe I would believe that if the whole building was engulfed in flames from the inside out. A couple windows with flames spewing out is not enough to bring down a building. Plus the fact that building 7 looks like a complete demolition is simply going to raise questions from people that don't automatically accept everything our government says as truth.

bet you never do this again. :laugh:

read the sig....

 

[NaOH]

LOL this is hard proof?



hahahahahahahahahhaahahaha................hahahahahah

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17
I would think it'd be difficult to convince people to train for months to go on suicide missions if they didn't believe in the cause.

Do you know much about religion?

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: BeauJangles
Problem with my mindset?

There is no other story here, no matter how much people try to dig for thermate, weapons pods, aliens, missiles, or whatever... planes brought down the WTC.

Who had them do it? Do you have any proof that it wasn't Al Queda? Any? I mean, okay, the underpants gnomes paid the hijackers to do it so that Larry Silverstein's safe, full of rare underpants, could be successfully stolen during the recovery effort.

YES! MOST DEFINITELY!!!!

Why are we now thinking Pakistan?

We have spent more in a day in Iraq then all of Afganistan.

Who got to dig at the WTC site within the first even 3 months?


The biggest question you should be asking yourself is what PROOF do we really have it's Al Queda? Then your next should be whomever you pull up, who financed them?

This is why I QUESTION it all.

 

[alkemyst]

Here is a really fucked up addition.

Zodiac killer.

Who was he?

No conspiracy there...just one dude that killed and wrote in to talk about it.

'WE' couldn't find him either.

 

[Inferno0032]

This thead makes me laugh... hysterically. And thank you to all those who are not apiocolyptic-loving, "nonconfmormist," pessimistic ignoramuses, and allow me to continue my faith in the human race...

 

[Capt Caveman]

Why isn't the media(US and Foreign) all over this? Are they in on the conspiracy with the US Gov't?