9/11 Conspiracies now equivalent to Holocaust Denialism

[nick1985]

The truth will set you free

 

[kylebisme]

All I'm interested in is listening to what is on the black boxes. We have multiple ground zero workers claiming the black boxes were found, but the Official 9/11 Commission Report claims none were found.

That is on my list too, along with whatever 9/11 commissioner Bob Kerrey meant when he said "it's a 30 year conspiracy", since the conspiracy alleged in the 9/11 Commission Report doesn't explain anything of the sort.

 

[glugglug]

If there's one thing I agree with the neo-con wingnuts around here on it is that the credibility of the official story vs. the credibility of the "truther" theories are at opposite ends of the scale. We just disagree on who is at which end.

To me, refusing to believe that 9/11 was orchestrated by our own government is like refusing to believe that Earth is round.

BTW, there is a new 2009 version of "Loose Change" streamable in HD on Netflix, with more info that wasn't available at the time of the original documentary. I highly recommend it.

 

[kylebisme]

While I don't dismiss the possibility that the attacks orchestrated by our own government, I figure the masterminds were more likely some small subset of the many corporate fat cats who stood to benefit most from the fallout. Regardless, I hope our society gets their shit together so we can figure out exactly who it was soon, as we are on a bad path as long as we let people get away such shit.

 

[First]

lmfao. Wimp.

 

[kylebisme]

Awe First, your belligerent dental reminded me of the fact that the American Behavioral Scientist recently devoted their February issue to matters in relation to 9/11. I haven't read it myself, but discussion of it here suggests you would make a good case study:

One paper shows that "preexisting beliefs can interfere with people's examination of evidence for state crimes against democracy (SCADs), specifically in relation to the events of September 11, 2001, and the war on terror in Afghanistan and Iraq."

Another refers to TV's "popular culture passion plays" as "displacing interrogation of real-event anomalies, as with the porous account given by the 9/11 Commission for what happened that fateful day."

That does well to explain your ineffable belief in fire induced free fall.

 

[First]

^ Does that article explain why you wimp out of quantitative analysis of free fall when you fail to provide a number for resistive force? (awaits another non-answer).

 

[kylebisme]

It explains why you keep whining for more numbers yet can't offer even speculative numbers or anything else to support your absurd belief in fire induced free fall.

 

[EXman]

Say what you will but I have never seen a picture or video where there is any plane or parts of planes at the pentagon. And that hole is small. real small for a 757. I have heard reports of many people seeing the plane coming in but no ones first hand account. Don Rumsfeld used to have a piece of the plane on his desk to remember that day and I do not trust him as far as I could throw him. I'd love a link to video or pics. Seriously though the security gate looks like a quick blur of something alot smaller than a 757.

If you do a search... well I guess you cannot anymore I started the thread about the pentagon getting hit that day. Back when I used to OT a lot.

changing gears back on topic!

I watched tower 2 get hit live and watched and have zero problems with that whatsoever!

WTC7 coming down is mired in shit too though if you do some research you can get many many different stories from the owner (same douchebag who is holding up the new WTC complex from going up) and many of the people who did work there or had worked at putting the fires out there.

I also used to watch the X-files. Damn that Scully was a hot piece of ass!

 

[kylebisme]

There was some wreckage outside the Pentagon, Google Images digs up plenty of shots. Also, there are a few security cam videos which have been released though the FOIA, notably these frames here. Granted, the amount of wreckage visible and the size of the hole is smaller than one might expect, but it's still well within the realm of possibility, and I've yet to see any evidence to disprove the official story in regard to Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon.