8_10_12 GB VRAM not enough

[BFG10K]

Reasons why 8GB nine years after first release isn't NV's fault.

Spoiler

1. It's the player's fault.
2. It's the reviewer's fault.
3. It's the developer's fault.
4. It's AMD's fault.
5. It's the game's fault.
6. It's the driver's fault.
7. It's a system configuration issue.
8. Wrong settings were tested.
9. Wrong area was tested.
10. Wrong games were tested.
11. 4K is irrelevant.
12. Texture quality is irrelevant as long as it matches a console's.
13. Detail levels are irrelevant as long as they match a console's.
14. There's no reason a game should use more than 8GB, because a random forum user said so.
15. It's completely acceptable for 3070/3070TI/3080 to turn down settings while 3060/6700XT has no issue.
16. It's an anomaly.
17. It's a console port.
18. It's a conspiracy against NV.
19. 8GB cards aren't meant for 4K / 1440p / 1080p / 720p gaming.
20. It's completely acceptable to disable ray tracing on NV while AMD has no issue.
21. Polls, hardware market share, and game title count are evidence 8GB is enough, but are totally ignored when they don't suit the ray tracing agenda.

According to some people here, 8GB is neeeevaaaaah NV's fault and the objective evidence below "doesn't count" because of reasons(tm) above. If you have others please let me know and I'll add them to the list. Cheers!

Videos of multiple games having problems

16GB vs. 8GB VRAM: Radeon RX 6800 vs. GeForce RTX 3070, 2023 Revisit

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GeForce RTX 4060 Ti 16GB Benchmark, Can Nvidia Fix The 4060 Ti?

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8GB VRAM - Pain and suffering

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RTX 4060 Ti 8GB vs 4060 Ti 16GB - Test in 8 Games (Worst-Case Scenarios)

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Deathloop

Deathloop PC vs PS5, Optimised Settings, Performance Testing + More

Arkane's Deathloop is an extremely impressive game on PS5 - but what's the score with PC? Alex Battaglia stacks up the PC version against the console game, g...

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Resident Evil Village
3060TI/3070 tanks at 4K and is slower than the 3060/6700XT when ray tracing:

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Resident Evil Village: PC graphics performance benchmark review

We take a look at Resident Evil Village in our usual in-depth ways. That would be tested on the PC gaming wise relative towards graphics card performance with the latest AMD/NVIDIA graphics card dri... Raytracing performance, CPU and VRAM usage

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Ghost Recon Breakpoint

Resident Evil 2

Portal RTX
Without DLSS 3060 is faster than the 3070/3080TI/2080TI. Even with DLSS 3060 is still faster than 3070.

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Portal with RTX Review - Amazing Raytracing

Valve has teamed up with NVIDIA to remaster their smash-hit Portal with ray tracing. Unlike most other titles out there, which combine rasterization and ray tracing, Portal with RTX is fully path traced, which enables astonishing realism, but also comes with a huge performance hit.

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Company of Heroes
3060 has a higher minimum than the 3070TI, even at just 1080p.

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10GB
Plague Tale, 3080 10GB tanks if you enable ray tracing, would be fast enough if it had more VRAM because if you stop moving, the framerate stabilizes to >60FPS.

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12GB
Hogwarts Legacy 4K + RT, 4060Ti 16GB is faster than 4070 12GB.

Nvidia Cuts Prices! GeForce RTX 4070 vs. RTX 4060 Ti 16GB, Worth Spending The Extra $100?

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[CouncilorIrissa]

Such physically correct, much wow.

 

[SolidQ]

Robocop is best detailed game for now?

Spoiler: Robocop

found today video. Any game close to this?

 

[psolord]

^I'd buy a 4080 for a dollar! xD

Btw Robocop is playable even on a GTX 1070....*ahem*...with correct settings. This is a run I did, on the first part of the game. (non monetized vid, but it has a copyright claim due to the soundtrack). I used EPIC textures, since y'all like your textures so much. VRAM usage is at around 5.5GBs, so 8GBs are enough! xD

And to put things at a perspective, here is the same run on the 3060ti, at full EPIC settings. Vram is typically at around 6GB's but it has some spikes. No 8GB problems here either.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Vex comes in with some notes: N/vidia cards use less VRAM than AMD now? /better in-memory texture compression?

 

[Thunder 57]

Vex comes in with some notes: N/vidia cards use less VRAM than AMD now? /better in-memory texture compression?

Sure, just like apple-claims-m3-macbook-pros-8gb-equals-16gb-on-pcs.

 

[BFG10K]

Vex comes in with some notes: N/vidia cards use less VRAM than AMD now? /better in-memory texture compression?

Some of it is better driver optimization/compression, but a lot is offloading more to system RAM. I saw many examples across multiple videos where system RAM allocation was higher on NV.

But allocation is academic when we have actual performance metrics showing 8GB tanks. Also Vex's video showed 10GB isn't enough for Plague Tale, so that's a second example of > 8GB not being enough (added to OP with correct timestamp).

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

Btw Robocop is playable even on a GTX 1070....*ahem*...with correct settings.

Everything is playable at correct settings.
The question is If you want to play It at those settings.

 

[SolidQ]

The question is If you want to play It at those settings.

UE5 have minor differences between ultra and low

 

[igor_kavinski]

Sales show VRAM matters!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1724103454468051254

Gamers are getting wiser. Finally!

 

[Ranulf]

3060 12GB ftw it seems.

 

[Mopetar]

It's MindFactory, so there are the usual caveats that apply. I'm also not sure that your conclusion is even correct. If you look at the detailed breakdown, the 4060 has practically the same sales as the 3060.

Really it's just AMD pricing the 7800 XT well and that selling gangbusters. It's almost 40% of AMD's unit sales. Close to double the number sold than any other card, AMD or NV.

I think the real story is that gamers like value for their money.

 

[igor_kavinski]

I think the real story is that gamers like value for their money.

VRAM factors into that value calculation in their minds. Otherwise, they could have saved some bucks with 7700XT.

 

[Mopetar]

Not really. Even leaving VRAM aside the 7800XT is better performance per dollar. TPU has it 7% over the 7700XT.

Spoiler

The only reason to buy a 7700XT is that you want a 7800XT but someone stole your lunch money for the past week so you're short.

 

[HarryPotter69]

i Have intel UHD 620 4 gb and it always get stucks Osama while gaming it overheats sometimes and shut downs automatically im wondering to change it any suggestions will be helpfull.

 

[psolord]

Everything is playable at correct settings.
The question is If you want to play It at those settings.

In that post, I showed both the 1070 and the 3060ti, both being 8GB cards, with very different capabilities, which was the aim of that post.

The 3060ti has always been twice as fast as the 1070 and this never changed, due to them having the same buffer.

The 1070 is now 7.5 years old. It's essentially a Gen 8 product, that can run Gen 9 games. I only have the utmost respect for it, as a tech product.

Here is a side by side run of these two, with Youtube multiplier

Mix of 2 videos from youtube : Robocop 3060ti vs 1070

Mix of 2 videos from youtube, by psolord : Robocop 3060ti vs 1070

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Actually the wrong brightness settings of the 3060ti recording, make it look worse, so the 1070 is doing OK I guess. All that with the help of xess of course, otherwise it would be unplayable on the 1070.

 

[Ranulf]

All that with the help of xess of course, otherwise it would be unplayable on the 1070.

So it cant really run gen 9 games then.

 

[psolord]

So it cant really run gen 9 games then.

It runs them 50% better than the Gen 9, 4tflop, Series S, so yes it can. Xess is very much an existing feature.

 

[MrTeal]

No one ever claimed that 8GB isn't enough for the 1070. It was in fact a great jump at the time, double the vram of the 970/980 and even 33% more than the 980 Ti. It's aged extremely well partly because of that. As you say, you're hardpressed to push it into a VRAM limitation without running out of horsepower well before you do.

The 3060 Ti/3070/4060 Ti are a different story, and the whole basis of this thread which you seem to be willfully missing. There are loads of games where 8GB VRAM becomes an issue at settings where there is more than enough horsepower to run at acceptable framerates but turn into stuttery messes. As you've shown not every game pukes on an 8GB card at settings it would run if it have 16GB, but that's hardly the point either.

 

[psolord]

As a 3060ti owner, allow me to know better if it has problems. I got it for 1080p and still runs like a champ. I only faced one issue in its three year time so far. Ratchet crashing with version 1.828 with a fat "out of video memory" message. This does not allow any misconceptions. It got fixed with 1.922. I cannot max it out, but this is both a gpu power issue as it is a vram issue. Even with 10-12-16-24GBs it would be unplayable on the 3060ti maxed.

The notorious TLOU had some trouble at first, but it got much better with time. Forspoken did miss some textures, but also got better with time. And I have serious reservations that the storage speed was also at fault there. Will retest.

Now if anyone got these 500-600 cards with higher expectations, they chose wrong in my book. 400 for the 3060ti at launch was not too bad for high caliber 1080p. 500 for the 3070 or 600 for 3070ti was yikes. I didn't buy them, I am not defending them. I am defending what I own. Even so, a 3070ti owner that got it for high framerate at 1080p did not necessarily chose wrong.

The problem I have with this thread, is that it is too generic and it focuses on created problems instead of obvious solutions. Also not all 8GB cards are the same, as not all 12GB and 16GB cards are the same.

What is even worse, is that you are not getting married to the damn thing. Video cards and gaming chips in general, are always getting relegated. Sell the damn thing to a gamer that can make good use of it, according to his needs and get a better card. Users that got 3070s/3070tis are above medium level users anyway and these cards are not going to cut it for UE5, Creation Engine 2, Zouna Engine or anything that pushes graphics tech hard.

The 4070ti itself has problems with these and vram has nothing to do with it. You are making a big fuss for nothing.

 

[coercitiv]

As a 3060ti owner, allow me to know better if it has problems. I got it for 1080p and still runs like a champ.

You bought a 1440p card to play 1080p, sounds pretty much the same as what 4060Ti owners will get: a 1080p card to play 720p.

 

[BFG10K]

You bought a 1440p card to play 1080p, sounds pretty much the same as what 4060Ti owners will get: a 1080p card to play 720p.

Yep, NV themselves advertise 3060TI for 1440p gaming:

NVIDIA Debuts GeForce RTX 3060 Family for the Holidays

Bringing its RTX 30 Series lineup of gaming GPUs to the market’s sweet spot, NVIDIA today introduced the GeForce® RTX™ 3060 Ti, the first member of the RTX 3060 family, powered by the NVIDIA Ampere architecture and the second generation of NVIDIA RTX™.

nvidianews.nvidia.com

Priced at just $399, built on the world’s most powerful PC gaming platform and featuring ray tracing and AI-powered DLSS, the RTX 3060 Ti is faster than the previous generation GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER, priced at $699, and delivers blistering 1080p and 1440p gameplay.

So someone's lying here. Is it NV? Or the random anonymous internet person claiming 3060TI @ 1440p is "the wrong setting"?

 

[igor_kavinski]

Or the random anonymous internet person claiming 3060TI @ 1440p is "the wrong setting"?

Let's call it unable to get to grips with reality

 

[DeathReborn]

Yep, NV themselves advertise 3060TI for 1440p gaming:

NVIDIA Debuts GeForce RTX 3060 Family for the Holidays

Bringing its RTX 30 Series lineup of gaming GPUs to the market’s sweet spot, NVIDIA today introduced the GeForce® RTX™ 3060 Ti, the first member of the RTX 3060 family, powered by the NVIDIA Ampere architecture and the second generation of NVIDIA RTX™.

nvidianews.nvidia.com

Priced at just $399, built on the world’s most powerful PC gaming platform and featuring ray tracing and AI-powered DLSS, the RTX 3060 Ti is faster than the previous generation GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER, priced at $699, and delivers blistering 1080p and 1440p gameplay.

So someone's lying here. Is it NV? Or the random anonymous internet person claiming 3060TI @ 1440p is "the wrong setting"?

I see people are skipping the 1080p part of that, including yourself. They advertise it as 1440p & 1080p so moaning about someone using it for 1080p is pretty pointless & petty. As for it's usefulness at 1080p or 1440p, well that (as always) depends on the game, settings etc.

 

[Thunder 57]

As a 3060ti owner, allow me to know better if it has problems. I got it for 1080p and still runs like a champ. I only faced one issue in its three year time so far. Ratchet crashing with version 1.828 with a fat "out of video memory" message. This does not allow any misconceptions. It got fixed with 1.922. I cannot max it out, but this is both a gpu power issue as it is a vram issue. Even with 10-12-16-24GBs it would be unplayable on the 3060ti maxed.

The notorious TLOU had some trouble at first, but it got much better with time. Forspoken did miss some textures, but also got better with time. And I have serious reservations that the storage speed was also at fault there. Will retest.

Now if anyone got these 500-600 cards with higher expectations, they chose wrong in my book. 400 for the 3060ti at launch was not too bad for high caliber 1080p. 500 for the 3070 or 600 for 3070ti was yikes. I didn't buy them, I am not defending them. I am defending what I own. Even so, a 3070ti owner that got it for high framerate at 1080p did not necessarily chose wrong.

The problem I have with this thread, is that it is too generic and it focuses on created problems instead of obvious solutions. Also not all 8GB cards are the same, as not all 12GB and 16GB cards are the same.

What is even worse, is that you are not getting married to the damn thing. Video cards and gaming chips in general, are always getting relegated. Sell the damn thing to a gamer that can make good use of it, according to his needs and get a better card. Users that got 3070s/3070tis are above medium level users anyway and these cards are not going to cut it for UE5, Creation Engine 2, Zouna Engine or anything that pushes graphics tech hard.

The 4070ti itself has problems with these and vram has nothing to do with it. You are making a big fuss for nothing.

Talk about a broken record. We are just beating a dead horse here.

 

[MrPickins]

Looks like Rust (of all games!) will grab well over 8GB, if it's available:



I've seen it almost use all 16GB in previous sessions. This is at 1920x1200, very high settings; GPU utilization is ~50%.