8800GTX and Source games

[NYHoustonman]

Okay, so I've put together my new PC, including a 680i motherboard and 8800GTX, both of which are obviously very young as far as support... So I'm not sure if the problems I'm getting are driver-related. I'm using the latest drivers as listed on NVidia.com.

Basically, all source games exhibit some weird corruption. In CS:S, when I click any menu item from the main menu, everything disappears. I can still hear and click, for instance, quit, but I can't see anything. When I actually enter a game, there is horrible display corruption... I can't see a thing. Every other game I've tried (save the SCA demo, which appears to have problems with the 8800) has worked, including Oblivion, and GTL, among others.

 

[Nightmare225]

Drivers are still not fully compatible with Source. For now, I recommend you reinstall the games, use Driver Cleaner Pro, and reinstall the newest from NVIDIA's site.

 

[NYHoustonman]

Originally posted by: Nightmare225
Drivers are still not fully compatible with Source. For now, I recommend you reinstall the games, use Driver Cleaner Pro, and reinstall the newest from NVIDIA's site.

I've tried reinstalling chipset and graphics card drivers (using driver cleaner), but I'm getting the same issue. Would reinstalling the games be likely to help?

If it's a driver issue it's no big deal, I can just use my old rig for CS, but if it's not I'd like to fix it.

 

[imported_RedStar]

It's more like source is not compatible with the general spec. This is why nvidia says it is working with the developer to change things in source.

 

[patentman]

Honestly, I think its funny that the 8800GTX isn;t "compatible" with Source, when the Evga version of the GTX ships with Dark Messiah, which is a Source game.

 

[NYHoustonman]

Nah, it actually works fine; I went through and installed the 680i drivers that came with the motherboard (NOT those available at NVidia.com) along with the Forcewares from NVidia.com (after doing a complete driver clean, including cab) and not only did that solve my Source issues, it also solved performance issues that had come up (a story for another thread).

 

[imported_Crusader]

Yeah i was going to say.. I play CSS all the time and it works great here.
I havent seen any issues yet.

 

[LittleNemoNES]

Originally posted by: patentman
Honestly, I think its funny that the 8800GTX isn;t "compatible" with Source, when the Evga version of the GTX ships with Dark Messiah, which is a Source game.

lol that's so true!

 

[nib95]

I have similar issues.
With the 97.02's I get a terrible fog like effect where I cannots ee in to the distance on CSS.
Apparently it's a driver issue.

 

[LittleNemoNES]

Originally posted by: nib95
I have similar issues.
With the 97.02's I get a terrible fog like effect where I cannots ee in to the distance on CSS.
Apparently it's a driver issue.

again, nvidia maintains that it is an engine issue. So valve will have to fix it.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: gersson

Originally posted by: nib95
I have similar issues.
With the 97.02's I get a terrible fog like effect where I cannots ee in to the distance on CSS.
Apparently it's a driver issue.

again, nvidia maintains that it is an engine issue. So valve will have to fix it.

Well that's odd. I'm sure there wasn't a problem before with fog. So how do you get its a source problem when source has been out and the 88's were just released? Whenever you have to troubleshoot your pc, do you check the last thing you changed? Or blame it on something that was working fine before? :roll:

 

[imported_Crusader]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: gersson

Originally posted by: nib95
I have similar issues.
With the 97.02's I get a terrible fog like effect where I cannots ee in to the distance on CSS.
Apparently it's a driver issue.

again, nvidia maintains that it is an engine issue. So valve will have to fix it.

Well that's odd. I'm sure there wasn't a problem before with fog. So how do you get its a source problem when source has been out and the 88's were just released? Whenever you have to troubleshoot your pc, do you check the last thing you changed? Or blame it on something that was working fine before?

The man is telling you that the issue here is that NV image quality matches the Microsoft Reference Rasterizer.
Obviously since G80 image quality is far beyond whatever you are using, and anything from the previous generation.. I think I'd rather Newell adjust his code.. than affect the best GPU release in history eh?

From the 97.02 release notes-

Half-Life 2 Lost Coast: GeForce 8800 GTX fog looks different than GeForce 7900 GTX fog, and dynamic shadows look solid black.

The GeForce 8800 GTX image quality matches the Microsoft Reference Rasterizer. This issue may affect other Half-Life 2 based engines such as Counter-Strike Source and Half-Life Episode 1. NVIDIA is working with the application developer to try to patch their application.

Need more help here? :disgust:

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: Crusader

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: gersson

Originally posted by: nib95
I have similar issues.
With the 97.02's I get a terrible fog like effect where I cannots ee in to the distance on CSS.
Apparently it's a driver issue.

again, nvidia maintains that it is an engine issue. So valve will have to fix it.

Well that's odd. I'm sure there wasn't a problem before with fog. So how do you get its a source problem when source has been out and the 88's were just released? Whenever you have to troubleshoot your pc, do you check the last thing you changed? Or blame it on something that was working fine before?

The man is telling you that the issue here is that NV image quality matches the Microsoft Reference Rasterizer.
Obviously since G80 image quality is far beyond whatever you are using, and anything from the previous generation.. I think I'd rather Newell adjust his code.. than affect the best GPU release in history eh?

From the 97.02 release notes-

Half-Life 2 Lost Coast: GeForce 8800 GTX fog looks different than GeForce 7900 GTX fog, and dynamic shadows look solid black.

The GeForce 8800 GTX image quality matches the Microsoft Reference Rasterizer. This issue may affect other Half-Life 2 based engines such as Counter-Strike Source and Half-Life Episode 1. NVIDIA is working with the application developer to try to patch their application.

Need more help here? :disgust:

Ummm we are running a Direct X9 app right?

I could care less if its "the best gpu in history" because that can be said about alot of new hardware. Just seems odd to use that phrase:roll:

Who cares that the image quality is so much better, atleast my card can render fog properly

This is not a "ruin nvidia" post by me. I'm simply pointing out there were no problems before the "greatest gpu in history". God that sounds so fanboyish, maybe saying "the best gpu to date" would be more on target. And whats with the BOLDING in your sig, wanna get noticed or something?? Or is it "Go Team Go!" lol

Is the 88's from invidia the best gpu to date? Yes.

Are there current driver problems? Yes. (happens with all gpu's)

Is this problem an nVidia problem or source problem? My bet is its nVidia's.

Anyway's, lets keep the fanboy crap to a minimum please

 

[Italicized]

Either way there is still a problem. As long as Nvidia and Valve are pointing fingers at each other nothing is going to get fixed. I'm sure Valve could fix it and I'm sure Nvidia could fix it so I think we shouldn't really blaim either one until we know what fix is needed, either a Valve patch or Nvidia driver.

 

[Zenoth]

Do you know 100% certain that your current Motherboard's BIOS version officially supports your exact CPU model ?

If not, then it'll result in very strange things all over after you install Windows and run applications.

Just make sure it's compatible with your CPU, to start with.

 

[Avalon]

Well, I hope one of them fixes it, because I play a ton of source games, and I'm going to want to get something G80 based in about a month.

 

[LittleNemoNES]

Need more help here? :disgust:

Thanks for coming to my defense. Maybe I should have presented the quote you provided

So there.

PCSurgeon, you really need to read what the facts are on this instead of putting down people based on a hunch.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: gersson

Need more help here? :disgust:

Thanks for coming to my defense. Maybe I should have presented the quote you provided

So there.

PCSurgeon, you really need to read what the facts are on this instead of putting down people based on a hunch.

Whoa there nelly. Need to relax a bit.

I read the supposed "facts" already, but I'm willing to bet it is fixed with a driver update rather than fixing the game engine. Could I be wrong? Sure. But anyone that knows Valve, knows they take thier sweet ole time on anything they do regardless of the simplicity. Expecially since it was fine before the 88's from nVidia.

Also, I didn't put anyone down, i stated facts. If it seems to be a put down I apologize.

I guess we will have to wait and see

And Avalon, if you dare try to get more FPS then me in dods, I will destroy you in CAL!

 

[LittleNemoNES]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: gersson

Need more help here? :disgust:

Thanks for coming to my defense. Maybe I should have presented the quote you provided

So there.

PCSurgeon, you really need to read what the facts are on this instead of putting down people based on a hunch.

Whoa there nelly. Need to relax a bit.

I read the supposed "facts" already, but I'm willing to bet it is fixed with a driver update rather than fixing the game engine. Could I be wrong? Sure. But anyone that knows Valve, knows they take thier sweet ole time on anything they do regardless of the simplicity. Expecially since it was fine before the 88's from nVidia.

Also, I didn't put anyone down, i stated facts. If it seems to be a put down I apologize.

I guess we will have to wait and see

And Avalon, if you dare try to get more FPS then me in dods, I will destroy you in CAL!

No problem . I guess you're entitled to be a skeptic

 

[imported_Crusader]

As ridiculous as it is to be a skeptic on this issue... I concur he is is entitled to believe any silly idea he can imagine up.
I think he sounds a bit resentful towards the 8800 series myself.. and the people who are enjoying them.

Who cares that the image quality is so much better, atleast my card can render fog properly

WOOOT! "proper fog" or not.. I still dont think I'm swapping out for the X1900xt he has. Thanks... but no thanks.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: Crusader
As ridiculous as it is to be a skeptic on this issue... I concur he is is entitled to believe any silly idea he can imagine up.
I think he sounds a bit resentful towards the 8800 series myself.. and the people who are enjoying them.

Who cares that the image quality is so much better, atleast my card can render fog properly

WOOOT! "proper fog" or not.. I still dont think I'm swapping out for the X1900xt he has. Thanks... but no thanks.

Just couldn't leave it be could you? You forgot to add the " " after the quote. Implying a joking tone.

I'm resentful of the 88's from nVidia? rofl omg dude get a life why don't ya?! Why on gods green earth would I agree that its the best gpu to date if I'm resentful? wtf dude, you make no sence lol I would in a heartbeat trade my X1900XT for a 8800GTS/X. Wanna trade and find out? Didn't think so.