8800gtx actually offers pretty good value

[Nelsieus]

Originally posted by: thilan29

Yes...that MUST be it. You're reaching a bit now don't you think? I'd love to be proven wrong though as whatever game that may be would look very nice.

Well, it's not like you would expect it to be announced before the hardware support even releases, but perhaps I'm just thinking too realitically. Anywho, I'd imagine we'll see announcements after the launch, but I too could be wrong.

Originally posted by: thilan29Pro-reddies?? What's that about?? Anyone who isn't jumping up and down about G80 is an ATI fanboy(look at the current card in my sig... )??

Since when is a pro-reddie mean a downright fanboy. I didn't call you that, but if that's how you want to refer to yourself, so be it.

Originally posted by: thilan29So I guess you're an NVidia fanboy since all I see you do is argue with people who are NOT Nvidia fanboys and even side with over the top fanboys like Crusader.

From the top of my head, the only people I recall debating recently with is Creig, Josh, Dug, and yourself (oh, and apopin). Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think there's anyone else who feels I've been rude to them.

Originally posted by: thilan29Frankly, from what I've seen you post lately, I think you are definitely a fanboy...but you try to act calm so you don't look so obnoxious.

I'm sorry but I'm not naive/ridiculous (take your pick) enough to believe that the company that a GPU comes from determines its worth rather than its performance and IQ (ie. like a classic fanboy would do). My last card was an X1800XL and I was able to get it fairly cheap and performed very well relative to the 7800GT (and had better IQ and overclocked to past X1800XT speeds) so I got that. My current 7900GTO I also got pretty cheap and gives great performance...even though the IQ is a bit lacking...it was only meant to be a stopgap until I got G80 anyway. I wish R600 would also come out at the same time so I can compare the performance and price (assuming similar IQ) and then decide. I somehow doubt you would even consider R600 even if it WERE out at the same time.

I have a 9800Pro. So save your fanboy accusation / perspective talk for someone else.

Nelsieus

EDIT: I'm off to sleep

 

[tuteja1986]

Then they will release 8800GTX 1GB model for $800 and people buy it like crazy and to only find out R600 will beat it up for $400 ;(

Same rule applies... These price aren't worth it , i would wait till 8900GTX / X2900XT

 

[Dethfrumbelo]

Originally posted by: tuteja1986
Then they will release 8800GTX 1GB model for $800 and people buy it like crazy and to only find out R600 will beat it up for $400 ;(

Same rule applies... These price aren't worth it , i would wait till 8900GTX / X2900XT

The 8800GTX is already available @ $625, and some people have already bought it (at least placed orders).

I can't wait. This 6800GT isn't cutting butter anymore.

I won't be buying the GTX, so it's between the GTS and an X19xxXT.

 

[lopri]

Would it be a reasonable expectation for GTX to drop to $500~550 in price by end of the month? I really hope so. Although I'm more interested in GT at this point. (size, 6-pin connector, etc.)

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: Nelsieus

Originally posted by: thilan29Pro-reddies?? What's that about?? Anyone who isn't jumping up and down about G80 is an ATI fanboy(look at the current card in my sig... )??

Since when is a pro-reddie mean a downright fanboy. I didn't call you that, but if that's how you want to refer to yourself, so be it.

So what DID you mean?? Josh and I didn't agree with some of what you posted so you called us pro-reddies. Seems pretty clear that you think we'd buy hardware based on whether it came from ATI...rather than performance/IQ/price.

From the top of my head, the only people I recall debating recently with is Creig, Josh, Dug, and yourself (oh, and apopin). Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think there's anyone else who feels I've been rude to them.

I never said you were rude...in fact I said you were fairly calm in your posts.

I have a 9800Pro. So save your fanboy accusation / perspective talk for someone else.

Nelsieus

EDIT: I'm off to sleep

I would never have called you a fanboy if you hadn't for some reason said "pro-reddie"... and all because I'm not as enthusiastic about a card that hasn't even been benched properly yet. Excuse my pro-reddieness for saving my enthusiasm and praise until I see proper benchmarks from sites such as AT, Xbitlabs, FS, and Techreport. WHEN this card is released in quantity and benched properly (and shows what will in all likelyhood be amazing performance)....then I'd heartily buy and recommend it to anyone.

Anyway, enough OT. Wednesday can't come soon enough. I just hope Canadian prices aren't extremely high.

 

[jiffylube1024]

I wouldn't say 8800GTX is a "good value." I'd say it's priced fairly at this moment in time, and it's a "good value" compared to buying a new retail X1900/X1950 crossfire setup or 7900GTX SLI setup.

Go into FS/FT or other places and you can find a better deal than an 8800GTX at retail. Not to mention the fact that if you game at 1600X1200 or less, a single X1900 is mostly sufficient for current titles (though not future ones).

 

[Gstanfor]

Just so no-one can say it wasn't mentioned...

There is a rumor stating the following:

[All 8800GTX Cards Being Recalled]

Page Title: All 8800GTX Cards Being Recalled
Category: GPUs & Graphic Cards
Type: News
Posted By: Visionary
Date: November 6, 2006, 12:57 pm
Source: VR-Zone
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We have received news that all the 8800GTX cards out in the channel are being recalled due to manufacturing defect. We heard it is probably due to a resistor controlling 2D/3D switching and that leads to 3D corruption. However, the defect doesn't affect the 8800GTS cards. This issue probably could delay the launch, if not, there could be no availability of 8800GTX cards at launch but just GTS.

Update #1 : No affect on launch date as yet
Update #2 : NVIDIA will handle the necessary hardware changes (changing of resistors)
Update #3 : Only some 8800GTX cards are affected due to wrong resistor value by a contract manufacturer but to be safe, all the card makers are recalling their cards

Note that this is the only mention I can find of such a problem so far, so who knows if the rumor is true or not?

 

[josh6079]

The status of a launch means whether it is in good or poor supply. Good supply is indictive of a hardlaunch, whereas poor, or little supply, usually means a paperlaunch.

Thank you for clarifying.

I believe that price is an effect of the product's availability and if there is a good supply of cards that can be readily distributed. By introducing a GPU that costs $600 or more and whose price isn't the result of gouging and low-availability, we're not dealing with a good value, we're dealing with the normal outrageous prices that come with recently released, top-of-the-line hardware.

It'd be like, $1,000 for an X6800. It's the flagship and yes it has the capabilities to out-pace it's "crippled" siblings, but if you want a good price/performance the X6800 is not it. An overclocked, heck even a stock, E6600 would do just fine and cost a great deal less.

The only way I can see an X6800 or an 8800GTX being a "pretty good value" is if owning the very uber high, top of the line equiment is the value the purchaser wants. This is why I bought the X1900XTX over the X1900XT when they first arrived, it's why some bought the 7900GTX instead of overclocking the 7900GT to its performance, etc, etc.

Saying that a flagship product is a "pretty good value" in strict terms of price/performance is an incorrect statement, IMO. However, saying that the 8800GTX is a "pretty good value" when talking about a hardcore enthusiast is more of an accurate standpoint since only they don't mind spending $600 for the latest and the greatest.

Your original statement was a refutation to my claim that it was valuable to buy a GPU to game on it instead of waiting for something newer. Your statement seemed to imply that that cannot be the caseif the GPU launches with poor availability. If that's what you really meant, then please explain your evidence to support it. If it's not what you meant, then you owe me an explanation of what you're trying to say.

When I said, "I mean, actually being able to buy the card and play a game instead of waiting comes hand in hand with a good video card launch, right?" it was in regards to your statement that I was: "...underestimating the value of getting a GPU and gaming on it, instead of waiting until something better came along."

When you implied that I didn't appreciate the value of being able to buy a GPU and game on it instead of waiting to get a GPU to game on, I said that I do appreciate it since such is the attribute of a good launch and I appreciate good launches. Being able to buy the GPU and game on it instead of waiting to get a GPU to game on is exactly what determines if a product has a hard-launch or a paper-launch. However, if the price becomes a conflicting factor with that decision, the waiting game becomes a totally different goal since it isn't necessarily waiting for another GPU to arrive but rather the price for the GPU that's already present to decline.

I did not mean to imply that I thought the G80 was going to be a paper-launch and I'm sorry if it seemed that way.

Speaking of AF, Mike finally did an AF test, and the results are quite impressive; quite significantly superior than ATI's, too.

THANK YOU NELSIEUS!!! :thumbsup: :beer:

You've vaquished my concerns with nVidia's upcoming AF IQ.

**Breathes a sigh of relief**

Now if we could get some FRAPS clips or something...

 

[Dethfrumbelo]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
Just so no-one can say it wasn't mentioned...

There is a rumor stating the following:

[All 8800GTX Cards Being Recalled]

Page Title: All 8800GTX Cards Being Recalled
Category: GPUs & Graphic Cards
Type: News
Posted By: Visionary
Date: November 6, 2006, 12:57 pm
Source: VR-Zone
Actions: Print Article Email Del.icio.us Digg

We have received news that all the 8800GTX cards out in the channel are being recalled due to manufacturing defect. We heard it is probably due to a resistor controlling 2D/3D switching. However, the defect doesn't affect the 8800GTS cards. This issue probably could delay the launch, if not, there could be no availablity of 8800GTX cards at launch but just GTS.

Update #1 : No affect on launch date as yet
Update #2 : NVIDIA will handle the necessary hardware changes

Note that this is the only mention I can find of such a problem so far, so who knows if the rumor is true or not?

Well, I guess if there's going to be a recall, better now than later. lol.

 

[lopri]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
Just so no-one can say it wasn't mentioned...

There is a rumor stating the following:

[All 8800GTX Cards Being Recalled]

Page Title: All 8800GTX Cards Being Recalled
Category: GPUs & Graphic Cards
Type: News
Posted By: Visionary
Date: November 6, 2006, 12:57 pm
Source: VR-Zone
Actions: Print Article Email Del.icio.us Digg

We have received news that all the 8800GTX cards out in the channel are being recalled due to manufacturing defect. We heard it is probably due to a resistor controlling 2D/3D switching. However, the defect doesn't affect the 8800GTS cards. This issue probably could delay the launch, if not, there could be no availablity of 8800GTX cards at launch but just GTS.

Update #1 : No affect on launch date as yet
Update #2 : NVIDIA will handle the necessary hardware changes

Note that this is the only mention I can find of such a problem so far, so who knows if the rumor is true or not?

:shocked:

 

[josh6079]

Oh no...

 

[Gstanfor]

So far its just a rumor. Note also that those with GF8 GTX's aren't exactly screaming about 2D/3D switching issues.

Even if true, its only one resistor, so should be easily fixable.

 

[BFG10K]

Speaking of AF, Mike finally did an AF test, and the results are quite impressive; quite significantly superior than ATI's, too.

I have to say that AF quality looks amazing. Hopefully it can be enabled without a large performance hit.

 

[redbox]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
So far its just a rumor. Note also that those with GF8 GTX's aren't exactly screaming about 2D/3D switching issues.

Even if true, its only one resistor, so should be easily fixable.

Well someone must have said something about it. It does sound like an easily fixable problem at least it isn't a ton of bad cores making to boards. I just hope it doesn't turn out to be like the 7900gt thing. Nvidia wouldn't come out looking too good if two launches of cards are launched with bad cards.

 

[Gstanfor]

Well someone must have said something about it.

Not necessarily. Assuming there is any truth at all to the rumor, it would most likely have been picked up by nvidia checking production samples from the PCB makers (Flextronics and Foxconn).

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

Speaking of AF, Mike finally did an AF test, and the results are quite impressive; quite significantly superior than ATI's, too.

I have to say that AF quality looks amazing. Hopefully it can be enabled without a large performance hit.

I posted in this thread replying to you, and it has just vanished :Q

iirc i said something like 'that AF blows my mind '

 

[Gstanfor]

that was the other thread dug.

 

[josh6079]

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: BFG10K

Speaking of AF, Mike finally did an AF test, and the results are quite impressive; quite significantly superior than ATI's, too.

I have to say that AF quality looks amazing. Hopefully it can be enabled without a large performance hit.

I posted in this thread replying to you, and it has just vanished :Q

iirc i said something like 'that AF blows my mind '

:laugh:

This?

 

[Gstanfor]

Apparently the rumor is true. However, most of the affected stock should already have been replaced and the replacement stock should be in retailers hands.

Text

Please love me

I bring good news, now HUG me

Quote:
Hi there

Yes this is true!

Our stock has already been replaced with boards that don't have this issue. So were still on schedule for launch day on both GTS and GTX.

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We have been working with them to pull these back and change the resistor to the correct value.

We believe we will still be able to hit our hard launch this week (Nov 8th) with the new GeForce 8800 GTX boards.

So problem solved

Info from www.overclockers.co.uk

 

[Nightmare225]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
Just so no-one can say it wasn't mentioned...

There is a rumor stating the following:

[All 8800GTX Cards Being Recalled]

Page Title: All 8800GTX Cards Being Recalled
Category: GPUs & Graphic Cards
Type: News
Posted By: Visionary
Date: November 6, 2006, 12:57 pm
Source: VR-Zone
Actions: Print Article Email Del.icio.us Digg

We have received news that all the 8800GTX cards out in the channel are being recalled due to manufacturing defect. We heard it is probably due to a resistor controlling 2D/3D switching and that leads to 3D corruption. However, the defect doesn't affect the 8800GTS cards. This issue probably could delay the launch, if not, there could be no availability of 8800GTX cards at launch but just GTS.

Update #1 : No affect on launch date as yet
Update #2 : NVIDIA will handle the necessary hardware changes (changing of resistors)
Update #3 : Only some 8800GTX cards are affected due to wrong resistor value by a contract manufacturer but to be safe, all the card makers are recalling their cards

Note that this is the only mention I can find of such a problem so far, so who knows if the rumor is true or not?

Wouldn't they have picked this up sooner, considering they've been making the cards since early-october? Plus, a load of people already have these cards and are reporting no such problems. This looks like a rumor, like the specs that were posted approx 1.5 months ago.

 

[josh6079]

Sweet. Thanks Gstanfor.

 

[dug777]

I'm losing my marbles

 

[Nightmare225]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
Apparently the rumor is true. However, most of the affected stock should already have been replaced and the replacement stock should be in retailers hands.

Text

Please love me

I bring good news, now HUG me

Quote:
Hi there

Yes this is true!

Our stock has already been replaced with boards that don't have this issue. So were still on schedule for launch day on both GTS and GTX.

Quote:
We have been working with them to pull these back and change the resistor to the correct value.

We believe we will still be able to hit our hard launch this week (Nov 8th) with the new GeForce 8800 GTX boards.

So problem solved

Info from www.overclockers.co.uk

Jesus, that was fast, and quite an awesome save. Makes me wonder about all those who decided to rush out and buy early. :laugh:

 

[jim1976]

Bck on the topic..

The argument to wait for Vista and R600 launch to decide sounds very logical to me.
OTOH the argument about D3D10 usage is far from being realistic. Crysis, UT2K7 and many more games will be "purely D3D9 games".People should realize that D3D10 features won't matter anyway for a significant amount of time.
What it matters in these D3D10 cards is the D3D9 big boost in performance, not the features and that is the main essence..
It will be long before we see a D3D10 game, and not some tiny portions of it implemented w/o any essence. And of course as history has taught us current hardware won't be able to ran any of these games at a sufficient level..
I'm not trying to sound ironic here, just to mention that d3d9 performance is what it will matter for this generation and certainly not d3d10..
Nevertheless if I should take a stand on the issue, I would say that talking about value in a high end product is absolutely nonsense. And as someone stated the cost of manufacturing is relatively high as well.

 

[Centurin]

I find it rather silly that people think the 8800GTX will be a bargain. The card will likely sell for over $800 bucks. MSRP is never a good indicator for price, especially a new product. I plan on buying an 8800GTS myself, but I don't expect that to be a bargain either. Top of the line graphics cards are never a bargain. Why you ask? Because even the latest games don't require them to play on a high graphics setting. D10 games will not be common place in 2007. The money is in DX9 until Vista becomes the staple. And by that time, newer graphics cards will be out. So I agree with Josh that 8800GTX and all flagship video cards are never a bargain when they are first released.