8800 GT Shortage ?

[Relion]

I guess it is because of the fan bug...maybe ? I mean...the average ppl wont be downloading RT just so their video card works...maybe they are trying to do something about it ?

 

[Munky]

I'm pretty sure the fan can be controlled by the driver, no need to change anything on the actual cards.

 

[Relion]

So it is nVidia's fault ?

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: Relion
So it is nVidia's fault ?

If all brands have this issue, what do you think?

And no, that's not why there's a shortage.

 

[Relion]

Then I guees it is

 

[Skott]

The so called rumor (places salt on table) is that nVidia miscalculated demand and thats why all manufacturers are only getting small amounts of batches at a time. According to the so called rumor nVidia also said supply for 8800GT cards will remain low until January. This also has people speculating the new GTS will have supply problems as well although we wont know that till it releases. As far as a GT fan bug? There is none that I have heard of. Yes, the GT is loud but thats a design flaw and not a bug IMO. And like mentioned above it can be controlled by controlling the fan speed or using a third party after market cooler.

 

[Nanobaud]

There is also the rumor that, presumably in their hurry to launch, they qualified a sole source on a key component (something in the power-control circuitry) and that supplier came up short (Fudzilla Link)

I don't know if there is any basis for that, but it certainly fits what's going on. I was involved with exactly that sort of thing once. We had a market-leading product and would have loved to sell lots more of them, even at a lower price than what the few we sold went for. By the time we got the sourcing problem ironed out, we were so far behind in market share we ended up abandoning the product. Selling a fraction of the demand at higher price didn't even come close to even covering the NRE.

I doubt that anybody on the supply side (except maybe really small retailers that received some supply and would only sell a few anyway) is preferring this shortage.

 

[james1701]

Unless Nivdia used the 8800GT as a stop gap until the new GTS arrive. Something like the 1900Pro. They used it for a card to combat the 3870 launch for a month, then comes the new model GTS and GTX early next year. It will maximize their profits doing it this way.

 

[WhoBeDaPlaya]

Tell me about it. Visited 4 BestBuys and not a single one had an 8800GT

 

[NaughtyGeek]

Originally posted by: james1701
Unless Nivdia used the 8800GT as a stop gap until the new GTS arrive. Something like the 1900Pro. They used it for a card to combat the 3870 launch for a month, then comes the new model GTS and GTX early next year. It will maximize their profits doing it this way.

That's where my money is at. I'm betting they're selling the card at a loss for no other reason than to steal AMD's thunder. BTW, I'm always interested in good deals on tin foil hats if anyone can point me in the right direction.

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: NaughtyGeek

Originally posted by: james1701
Unless Nivdia used the 8800GT as a stop gap until the new GTS arrive. Something like the 1900Pro. They used it for a card to combat the 3870 launch for a month, then comes the new model GTS and GTX early next year. It will maximize their profits doing it this way.

That's where my money is at. I'm betting they're selling the card at a loss for no other reason than to steal AMD's thunder. BTW, I'm always interested in good deals on tin foil hats if anyone can point me in the right direction.

I hightly doubt that. I don't think Jen Hsun would ever allow such a move, and even if he did, those gpu's don't cost Nvidia anywhere near $300 a piece. IMO, they would make profit even if the card sold for under $200.

 

[Tsuchiro]

was planning to step up my 8800gts 320 to a gt but waiting for the revision 2 gts now

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: Skott
The so called rumor (places salt on table) is that nVidia miscalculated demand and thats why all manufacturers are only getting small amounts of batches at a time. According to the so called rumor nVidia also said supply for 8800GT cards will remain low until January. This also has people speculating the new GTS will have supply problems as well although we wont know that till it releases. As far as a GT fan bug? There is none that I have heard of. Yes, the GT is loud but thats a design flaw and not a bug IMO. And like mentioned above it can be controlled by controlling the fan speed or using a third party after market cooler.

many fans won't spin over 29% even under load. this has happened to numerous people, including john (sr moderator) iirc.

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: NaughtyGeek

Originally posted by: james1701
Unless Nivdia used the 8800GT as a stop gap until the new GTS arrive. Something like the 1900Pro. They used it for a card to combat the 3870 launch for a month, then comes the new model GTS and GTX early next year. It will maximize their profits doing it this way.

That's where my money is at. I'm betting they're selling the card at a loss for no other reason than to steal AMD's thunder. BTW, I'm always interested in good deals on tin foil hats if anyone can point me in the right direction.

I hightly doubt that. I don't think Jen Hsun would ever allow such a move, and even if he did, those gpu's don't cost Nvidia anywhere near $300 a piece. IMO, they would make profit even if the card sold for under $200.

I dunno about that. nvidia knows that they have amd on the ropes. they need to deliver a knockout blow while their competition is weak b/c there are bigger fish (aka intel) to combat in the future. Hsun knows this and he also knows that amd has a pretty good product right now in 38x0 that is their ONLY decent product of any kind in the past 18 mos.

 

[John]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
many fans won't spin over 29% even under load. this has happened to numerous people, including john (sr moderator) iirc.

Like the others I had to use RivaTuner to adjust the "driver level fan control" settings to get above 29%. To my ears 45% was the sweet spot until the fan became audible over the 120mm Tricools on low in my P182. Even then my load temps were 108C and that was just too hot to handle. Now that I have the VF1000 on it I no longer rely on RivaTuner for the fan settings and use the fan mate to set the fan rpm / noise level. My load temps also dropped 40C.

 

[bryanW1995]

wow. that factory cooler must not have been making very good contact. glad to see that it's working better with the VF1000 now. I can't wait to get off work to run the 3870 through its paces.

 

[Mustanggt]

Originally posted by: Tsuchiro
was planning to step up my 8800gts 320 to a gt but waiting for the revision 2 gts now

no Ultra step ?

 

[ManWithNoName]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

many fans won't spin over 29% even under load. this has happened to numerous people, including john (sr moderator) iirc.

Not many fans, all the GT's are like this. They start at 29% on idle and ramp-up to only 35%. Have mine set to 65% using Rivatuner 2.06 and I don't find it bothersome at all. Everyone's ears are different however and noise is truly in the ear of the beholder. I have my EVGA overclocked to 700 Mhz for the core and my temps with the fan at 65% are 48c-52c on idle and 62c-72c Max when stressed, normal load temps are in the mid to low 60s. This is what most preople are getting from what I have seen on several forums.

 

[Skott]

Well, I have heard people setting the fan speed around 45%-47% to keep noise down but hadnt heard anyone had trouble getting it to spin over 29% until now. Interesting. I got a GT coming in. I figure I'll try it out and if its too loud then maybe get a vf900 for it. I want to hear it for myself first though. I know sound noise is subjective and everyone has different tolerance levels.

 

[Tequila]

Dropped by Best Buy.. nothing there.

Dropped by Frys and had to do a double take. One Evga 8800gt 512MB left standing alone. $269. Done deal and now I can get on with my life Been milking a 7600gs for a long time now. This 8800gt is incredible.

P.S. This card is very quiet!

 

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: Tsuchiro
was planning to step up my 8800gts 320 to a gt but waiting for the revision 2 gts now

You mean v3....

The v2 is already out, it is a G80 core with all the stream processors (the v1 had 1/8th of them disabled compared to the GTX) but at a slower core speed and less memory then the GTX.

The v3 will be based on the G92 core.



And yes, most likely this is a stopgap solution. Considering the name it was probably gonna be the low end geforce nine, which they rushed out to steal ati thunder and capitalize on almost two years of no midrange parts... and they are probably about to come out with some mind blowingly fast geforce 9 GTX/Ultras soon.