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bryanW1995

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I was about to ask what you were doing up until 7 am playing hellgate until I realized you're out west, so, what, 4 am? :)
 

AzN

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Originally posted by: MichaelD
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: MichaelD
For those of us still running 79xx series cards AND at resolutions higher than 1600x1200, the 8800GT 512MB will be the best thing since sliced bread. :) I'll be ordering one as soon as I can...as long as it's from a known upper-tier manufacturer (EVGA/BFG/XTX/etc).

Side note: When running anything higher than 16x12, 512MB graphics memory is a must with newer games. It makes a noticable difference.

You seem so certain base on rumor and high-expectations alone.
:Q

What if the Radeon comes along 2 weeks later and destroys the 8800GT?
:confused:

http://www.tomshardware.com/cn/119,news-119.html

You will have stale bread :p

Speaking as someone who proudly had a 9800 Pro and loved it's performance and competitiveness for a long time...ATI hasn't had a decent card in a LONG time.

I play at 1900x1200 with AA/AF, all the time. I didn't spend my hard-earned pennies on a big monitor to play with jaggies at a lower resolution. :p 3DMark is one thing, real world gaming is another can of beans completely.

But, you are right; the possibility of AMD's new top-midrange card being better than NVidias is a possiblity, but IMO, not a probability. Hey, I might turn out to be wrong, but based on AMDs one-disappointment-after-another track record of the past almost a year with GPUs and CPUs...I don't think I'll be wrong.

IF the pre-release benchmarks we're seeing of the 8800GT 512MB turn out to be completely true, I'll order one period and be happy with it no matter if AMDs direct competitor turns out to be better.

Fact of the matter is that my current card cannot give me what I want ATM. Fact of the matter is also that IF the current 8800GT 512MB benchmarks ARE TRUE, that it beats the crap out of 7900GTO. :eek:

Me :heart:s the 8800GT 512MB

ATI sure did have great cards after 9800pro. They had 850xt, 1800xt 1900xt and so on. It's only this generation that ATI actually lost anything far as speed or image quality. Actually ATI always had the upper hand far as image quality. Just look at the whole x1000 series. They perform so well even in modern games yet Nvidia's 7x00 series are performing horribly and can barely keep up with upper mid range card like 1950pro.
 

sliderule

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Originally posted by: Hajpoj
Remember when "mid-range" was only about $150

Yeah, when I bought my hercules 9800pro four years ago it was a high end card and I paid $310!

I know we have to take inflation into account, but damn I just can't justify paying for the new high end these days, $500-600.

Hopefully the 8800gt and AMD's latest will be great performers under $300.
 

Ares202

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Originally posted by: Hajpoj
Remember when "mid-range" was only about $150

But cards these days are nearly twice as large and the more chips and silicon costs money
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: bryanW1995
I was about to ask what you were doing up until 7 am playing hellgate until I realized you're out west, so, what, 4 am? :)

-from 4PM to 4 AM ... back up at 8 AM ... and back in the game by 9:30 AM
:Q
... you could say i like it ... [un]fortunately my work is blown out today and i even have to postpone my Dr's appointment till tomorrow [wind gusts to 75MPH blowing nasty crap, dust and sand - HGL seems waay safer]

Remember when "mid-range" was only about $150
i remember when gas was cheap and i usually paid $150-$250 for cards off the bleeding edge ... so i paid $320 for my 2900xt ... hasn't anyone else noticed everything else is going up?
... and it's way better then the shock at the pump every single week.:|
 

betasub

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Originally posted by: MichaelD
Me :heart:s the 8800GT 512MB

Yeah, and I'm in love with any number of unreleased cards that haven't been properly benched/reviewed yet. Just call me a hopelessly naive serial romantic :eek:
 

Rusin

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Originally posted by: s44
Originally posted by: Ares202
Add the 8800gt benchmarks to the Thread

http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=197188
Old games -- how's it do in more recent stuff, I wonder.

They say 8800 GT will be better in new games. It has 145% of 8800 GTS's ALU performance, 140% texture performance, 96% of ROP performance, 90% memory bandwith. This memorybandwith issue shouldn't be problem until one uses settings that neither card can run properly
 

Rusin

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Originally posted by: apoppin


Remember when "mid-range" was only about $150
i remember when gas was cheap and i usually paid $150-$250 for cards off the bleeding edge ... so i paid $320 for my 2900xt ... hasn't anyone else noticed everything else is going up?
... and it's way better then the shock at the pump every single week.:|
I remember times when I bought Orchid Righteous (voodoo1). It did cost 250? and Voodoo1-were the highest end. It also came with game collection: Descent2, Mechwarrior 2, Fatal Racin (aka. Whipeout), this monster truck game from Microsoft.. there was also demo cd.

Now you get 8800 GTS 320MB with that which is upper midrange/lower high end..without any games.

Ps. ..and now gas costs $1.9/l in Finland. That's $7.2 per one gallon. Without taxes it would be $1.8 per gallon. Have to admit that "Premium"-grade gasoline is pretty much same stuff what our "Regular" is.
 

SniperDaws

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Originally posted by: Rusin
Originally posted by: s44
Originally posted by: Ares202
Add the 8800gt benchmarks to the Thread

http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=197188
Old games -- how's it do in more recent stuff, I wonder.

They say 8800 GT will be better in new games. It has 145% of 8800 GTS's ALU performance, 140% texture performance, 96% of ROP performance, 90% memory bandwith. This memorybandwith issue shouldn't be problem until one uses settings that neither card can run properly

God Rusin you know far too much info on this kinda stuff, i bet you can read The Matrix code.

You big NERD!...........lo0l :)
 

alcoholbob

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Even if we took inflation into account, the $399 cards of yesteryear (let's say the Radeon 9800 Pro) then today's top end would be about $430-450, not $699!!
 

bryanW1995

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I can't completely read the matrix code, but I think that part of it is a prediction that nvidia will continue to drive up gpu prices until DAAMIT does something to stop them!
 

alcoholbob

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Okay, I'm DEFINITELY returning the Fatal1ty now. The 320mb frame buffer is a joke, and it's definitely a bottleneck. The card isn't doing much better than my 7800GT in NWN2, it's running about 10fps unless I turn all the details down. At that point it's about twice as fast as the 7800GT, but with minimum details I don't really care about 30fps vs 60fps. Neither card can handle higher quality textures.

I also noticed my fps would go up about 10-15 every time I alt-tabbed, then a few mins of playing the framerate would drop down to about 10-15. Clearly frame buffer swapping issue.

512mb 8800GT here I come!
 

Pacfanweb

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Maybe I'm missing something, but those benchmarks are far from selling me on a GT vs. an 8800 GTS.

Only in one of them does the GT have a significant performance advantage of the GTS.
And most of those benchmarks are done in resolutions much higher than the average gamer uses, so I'd imagine any advantage the GT has would be less if you play at 1024 or 1280.

What am I missing? Looks like to me the best thing to hope for is the GT drives the price of the GTS or GTX down to reasonable levels.
 

alcoholbob

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Lol, I shoulda read some performance reviews first. The 320MB GTS cards only average 15fps in NWN2. The 640 averages 30.

I'm the kind of guy who plays RPGs a bit more often than shooters, so the frame buffer limitation definitely hits me a lot more. In some cases the 8800GTS was even slower than the 7800GT since it runs out of texture memory so fast. Like I am literally shocked that I spent $350 on a card that can't run a year old game that my old $230 7800GT I bought 2 years ago can outperform 50% of the time in the highest detail levels.

Although I did go up from about 4.5k to 9k in my 3dmark06 score, lol.

Damn, RAM, RAM, RAM. Damn the RAM.
 

aka1nas

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I'd imagine that the current GTS will be discontinued shortly and replaced by the 128SP model.
 
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Full blown review here: http://topic.expreview.com/200...3/1193114539d6255.html

Futuremark 3DMark06 NoAA/4xAA/8xAA
Enemy Territory Quake Wars NoAA NoAF / 4xAA 16xAF
Half life2 Episode2 NoAA NoAF / 4xAA 16xAF
S.T.A.L.K.E.R V1.0004
DiRT: Colin McRae Off-Road V1.1 Ultra-Quality
DX10: World In Conflict NoAA NoAF/4xAA 16xAF
DX10: Company of Heroes Opposing Fronts V2.101.0
DX10: Lost Planet V1.004 NoAA NoAF/4xAA 16xAF
DX10: Bioshock V1.0
DX10: PT Boats: Knights of the Sea Benchmark

Just did a quick run-through of the 1920x1200 numbers - seems a little too good to be true :Q Trails the GTX but not by much (in most titles).

Edit: WTF? The site was just working?
 

Rusin

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I made comparison from those scores. I used HD2900XT 1024MB and 800 GTS 640MB and 8800 GTX

Quake Wars: Enemy Territory
1920x1200 4xAA 16xAF

65FPS

82% GTX
124,5% HD2900XT
110% GTS
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Half-Life 2: Episode 2
1920x1200 4xAA 16xAF
59 fps

90% GTX
123% HD2900XT
124% GTS
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Stalker [Ultra quality]
1920x1200

76.58 fps

80,7% GTX
118% HD2900XT
108% GTS

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Colin McRae: Offroad
1280x1024 4xAA

41,4 fps

96% GTX
121,8% HD2900XT
130,7% GTS

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World In Conflict DX10
1600x1200

33fps

91,7% GTX
132% HD2900XT
117,8% GTS

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Company of Heroes: Opposing Fronts DX10
1600x1200 4xAA

31,5 fps

69,5% GTX
111,7% HD2900XT
97,2% GTS

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Lost Planet DX10 4xAA 16xAF 1280x1024

Cave: 42.8 fps
84,2% GTX
167,2% HD2900XT
114,1% GTS

Snow: 30.3

80,7% GTX
160,3% HD2900XT
111,4% GTS

Bioshock DX10 Ultra quality 1920x1200
45 fps

92,7% GTX
100,2% HD2900XT
121,1% GTS
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Note there were some performance difference between 320MB and 640MB..and 640MB performed better. These 8800 GT 512MB's are supposed to replace 8800 GTS 320MB (pricewise) not that old 640MB.

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Overclocking:
From 600/1800
to 730/2000

Don't know how good that is? I mean there's certain difference between in overclockability with early 8800 GTS 640MB and more recent (new revision is better overclocking).

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And it's no suprice it's monster card when it comes to h.264 and VC-1
 

Rusin

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This card will have similar price compared to HD3850, which is if you look at the specs at same level as HD2900XT..without optimizations it will be crushed.
 

thilanliyan

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Originally posted by: Rusin
This card will have similar price compared to HD3850, which is if you look at the specs at same level as HD2900XT..without optimizations it will be crushed.

It IS supposed to have optimizations, and will probably run cooler and consume less power than the 8800GT (for those of you who were using that argument for GTS vs. XT).
 

warcrow

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Well it looks like my wait might have paid off. The 8800 GT is looking good. I wonder what the card looks like in SLI against the other card.