88 new fees and taxes in NY

SAWYER

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http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_...ils_dire_new_york.html
Damn I didn't know things were this bad in NYC, I would like some input from locals on what you think about this and what could be done
[Gov. David Paterson unveils dire New York State budget that includes new taxes, layoffs and cuts

By KENNETH LOVETT and GLENN BLAIN
DAILY NEWS ALBANY BUREAU

Updated Tuesday, December 16th 2008, 7:10 PM
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ALBANY - Gov. Paterson released a $121 billion slash-and-burn budget Tuesday morning that slams New Yorkers with 88 new fees and taxes - even on their iPods.

Calling the budget the "greatest economic and fiscal challenge of our lifetimes," Paterson acknowledged his spending plan cuts deep.

But he said the pain must be shared to deal with the fallout from the Wall Street collapse.

The budget will cost the city an estimated $650 million in aid.

But it's the $4 billion in new fees and taxes that are sure to aggravate everyday New Yorkers, who would be paying more for a host of services:

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An "iPod tax" that charges state and local sales tax for "digitally delivered entertainment services" - in other words, that new Beyonce song you download.
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State sales tax at movie theaters, sporting events, taxis, buses, limousines and cable and satellite TV and radio.
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Costlier driving with the repeal of the 8-cents-per-gallon sales tax cap on motor and diesel motor fuel, plus and increase in the auto rental tax.
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Tuition increases at SUNY and CUNY, $620 and $600 a year respectively.
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A 50 cent tax on cigars. The current tax is equal to 37% of the wholesale price, or 34 cents a cigar.
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No more sales tax break on clothes and shoes worth $110 or less, except during two weeks a year.
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Higher taxes on wine, beer and flavored malt beverages. He would also impose an 18% tax on non-nutritional drinks like soda.
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The rich would pay more for luxury items through an additional 5% tax imposed on cars costing more than $60,000, aircraft costing more than $500,000, yachts costing at least $200,000 and jewelry and furs costing in excess of $20,000.
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In addition, a host of a fees, including those related to motor vehicle licensing and registration, parks and auto insurance, would go up, as would various state-imposed fines.

Even with the cuts, the 2009-10 budget would increase a little more than 1%, the smallest hike since 1996-97.

Paterson said the state is facing a $51 billion shortfall over the next four years at a time when tax revenues are expected to drop 6.6% next year.

"This executive budget begins the difficult process of fundamentally reevaluating both how we manage our government and what the state can afford to spend in a time of plummeting revenues," Paterson wrote in a budget letter.

Paterson is asking lawmakers to pass a $1.7 billion plan by Feb. 1 to reduce the current year's budget deficit.

He then laid out a separate $121 billion spending plan for the 2009-10 fiscal year that begins April 1. He is asking the Legislature to adopt the new budget a month early. Overall, Paterson is seeking $9.5 billion in cuts, which would mean the merging of several state agencies, the closing of four prisons and the trimming of the state workforce.

A 3.3% reduction in school aid translates into a $277 million decrease for the city.

Paterson claimed the city will be able to offset some of the cuts in aid by having the freedom to raise more money.

Billy Easton, executive director Alliance for Quality Education, said the governor's budget actually represents a $2.5 billion statewide hit to schools after factoring the money they were supposed to get under the existing school aid formula.

"Schools have been on the road to finally providing the educational quality the Constitution requires," Easton said. "This budget represents a U-turn for students."

While the Medicaid program would grow 3.8%, Paterson wants $3.5 billion in health care cuts that hospital and nursing homes have said will lead to closures.
A flurry of advocates and economists on Monday criticized Paterson for mostly burdening the poor and middle class while ignoring calls to increase the income tax for the rich.

Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver said he supports hiking the income tax on the wealthy.

"I'd rather have a broad-based tax than nickel and dime various constituencies in this state," Silver said Monday.

Still, Silver indicated major cuts are in store.

"There is no question this is a serious time, that state revenues have a serious shortfall that will require dramatic actions," Silver said.

He said the state will have to consider "signficant cuts", seeking more aid from the federal government, and "some creative ways in which to create revenue this year."/Q]
 

Duwelon

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Typical liberal fix to a problem they caused in the first place. Running out of money to pay for the votes you bought in the last election via more and more social programs that enslave the people to state? Simple: raise taxes on the evil rich to continue the same trend. The slaves don't care, they're uninspired so getting government scraps are all they think they can get anyway and once they're dependent on the government more with each passing day, the less likely they'll break free of their dependence or work hard enough to give up their cushy benefits.


 
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Typical Duwelon response from his ass - blame the 'liberals'.

The State is cutting the budget, unfortunately, everyone wants their special programs still, so you can only cut so much. To make up the remaining short fall, you have to raise taxes.
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: Brainonska511
Typical Duwelon response from his ass - blame the 'liberals'.

The State is cutting the budget, unfortunately, everyone wants their special programs still, so you can only cut so much. To make up the remaining short fall, you have to raise taxes.

He's right. IMHO, he "get's it".

Raising taxes should never be an option. Look at it from a business perspective. Revenue is down but your output is constant in terms of goods and services.

What is the best course of action here? Raise prices or cut costs?

You cut costs is what you do, increasing prices only gives you less revenue.
 

winnar111

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Originally posted by: Duwelon
Typical liberal fix to a problem they caused in the first place. Running out of money to pay for the votes you bought in the last election via more and more social programs that enslave the people to state? Simple: raise taxes on the evil rich to continue the same trend. The slaves don't care, they're uninspired so getting government scraps are all they think they can get anyway and once they're dependent on the government more with each passing day, the less likely they'll break free of their dependence or work hard enough to give up their cushy benefits.

While the Medicaid program would grow 3.8%

Problem bolded.
 
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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: Brainonska511
Typical Duwelon response from his ass - blame the 'liberals'.

The State is cutting the budget, unfortunately, everyone wants their special programs still, so you can only cut so much. To make up the remaining short fall, you have to raise taxes.

He's right. IMHO, he "get's it".

Raising taxes should never be an option. Look at it from a business perspective. Revenue is down but your output is constant in terms of goods and services.

What is the best course of action here? Raise prices or cut costs?

You cut costs is what you do, increasing prices only gives you less revenue.

You obviously have to cut costs, but you can't shut down the state government. Government is not necessarily a business and that's the problem with your analogy.

Edit:

Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of things that need to be fixed in NYS where tons of money can be saved, and thus, taxes would not have to go up. It's just that it cannot happen overnight and those reforms could take years to work through the government. Thus, in the short term, you have to make up the shortfall.
 

Dari

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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: Brainonska511
Typical Duwelon response from his ass - blame the 'liberals'.

The State is cutting the budget, unfortunately, everyone wants their special programs still, so you can only cut so much. To make up the remaining short fall, you have to raise taxes.

He's right. IMHO, he "get's it".

Raising taxes should never be an option. Look at it from a business perspective. Revenue is down but your output is constant in terms of goods and services.

What is the best course of action here? Raise prices or cut costs?

You cut costs is what you do, increasing prices only gives you less revenue.

It should be when the economy is booming. Then you use that money for times like these.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: Duwelon
Typical liberal fix to a problem they caused in the first place. Running out of money to pay for the votes you bought in the last election via more and more social programs that enslave the people to state? Simple: raise taxes on the evil rich to continue the same trend. The slaves don't care, they're uninspired so getting government scraps are all they think they can get anyway and once they're dependent on the government more with each passing day, the less likely they'll break free of their dependence or work hard enough to give up their cushy benefits.

While the Medicaid program would grow 3.8%

Problem bolded.

That's a huge problem with politicians pandering to that particular voting base. We've about had it, because our education dollars are being sent to increase an extremely generous medicaid program. It's the finest insurance one can have in this state. It's ridiculous.
 

OCGuy

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Jesus. Good ol' blue state. Taxing someone's Discovery Channel and new Carry Underwood CD. That's how we get out of this!
 

LegendKiller

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One of the huge reasons why we moved out of NYC. What really pisses me off is that they're talking about bringing back the commuter city tax. Fuck that.
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: LegendKiller
One of the huge reasons why we moved out of NYC. What really pisses me off is that they're talking about bringing back the commuter city tax. Fuck that.

Nothing like taxing productivity to kill everything. It's like putting a bullet in the revolver, pointing at yourself just to see if it is chambered and then pulling the trigger - just to make sure.

Or better analogy:
See these feet that keep me moving? I think I should just shoot them, that's a good idea right there!

What I find most hilarious (and sad at the same time) is he is following in the Michigan Governors footsteps, all along thinking that it's a good idea.
 

Slew Foot

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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
One of the huge reasons why we moved out of NYC. What really pisses me off is that they're talking about bringing back the commuter city tax. Fuck that.

Nothing like taxing productivity to kill everything. It's like putting a bullet in the revolver, pointing at yourself just to see if it is chambered and then pulling the trigger - just to make sure.

Or better analogy:
See these feet that keep me moving? I think I should just shoot them, that's a good idea right there!

What I find most hilarious (and sad at the same time) is he is following in the Michigan Governors footsteps, all along thinking that it's a good idea.

IIRC, NYs governor is blind so no, he cant see the feet that keep him moving.
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: Slew Foot

IIRC, NYs governor is blind so no, he cant see the feet that keep him moving.

Oh' boy! That's bad, that's really bad.

And yet oh so funny at the same time! Well played.
 

IceBergSLiM

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thats insane. If they are looking for a revolution greece style they are headed in the right direction.
 

Jaskalas

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Perhaps, if it drives enough people out of NY ? then they won?t have to spend as much money on services. Then it could be considered a success.
 

GroundedSailor

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Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: Duwelon
Typical liberal fix to a problem they caused in the first place. Running out of money to pay for the votes you bought in the last election via more and more social programs that enslave the people to state? Simple: raise taxes on the evil rich to continue the same trend. The slaves don't care, they're uninspired so getting government scraps are all they think they can get anyway and once they're dependent on the government more with each passing day, the less likely they'll break free of their dependence or work hard enough to give up their cushy benefits.

While the Medicaid program would grow 3.8%

Problem bolded.

That's a huge problem with politicians pandering to that particular voting base. We've about had it, because our education dollars are being sent to increase an extremely generous medicaid program. It's the finest insurance one can have in this state. It's ridiculous.

Health care costs have risen far more than 3.8% across the industry so I would imagine a funding increase of 3.8% would represent a cut in real costs.

 

StageLeft

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The government is unwilling and unable, because of such interests as unions, to slash spending to the degree required, so it squeezes its tax base further. Not surprising. When we have the likes of teachers locked in at 4% raises oblivious to the financial maelstrom, and a decreased tax revenue, new taxes are necessary.
 

chess9

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Originally posted by: GroundedSailor
Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: Duwelon
Typical liberal fix to a problem they caused in the first place. Running out of money to pay for the votes you bought in the last election via more and more social programs that enslave the people to state? Simple: raise taxes on the evil rich to continue the same trend. The slaves don't care, they're uninspired so getting government scraps are all they think they can get anyway and once they're dependent on the government more with each passing day, the less likely they'll break free of their dependence or work hard enough to give up their cushy benefits.

While the Medicaid program would grow 3.8%

Problem bolded.

That's a huge problem with politicians pandering to that particular voting base. We've about had it, because our education dollars are being sent to increase an extremely generous medicaid program. It's the finest insurance one can have in this state. It's ridiculous.

Health care costs have risen far more than 3.8% across the industry so I would imagine a funding increase of 3.8% would represent a cut in real costs.

Yes, I was thinking the same thing. Also, how do you run a state in such circumstances without an increase in fees? Someone has to pay for education, parks, clean water, health care, etc. Those things make NY a state you'd want to live in. If you listened to the Libertarians, you couldn't drive the roads, breathe the air, find a kid who could spell computer, be safe from crime and fires, and so much more. New York City is also the gate way to America. Millions of people visit the city yearly, so you want a vibrant, healthy, clean city! Without those things, many of you wouldn't have jobs in NYC.

Be thankful for what you do have-good health, a job, some intelligence and a Democratic President. :)

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-Robert