860k or fx6300 or g3258

[okan1919]

I want to change my cpu.
there is 3 solution for my ( about same price,, some of second hand with warranty):
1. 860k and suitable motherboard( cheap, around 40-50$ )
2. g3258 and suitable motherboard( cheap, around 40-50$ )
3. fx 6300 (maybe i don't need motherboard, i have ga-870-usb3l, not listed but i found someone who use. Than its cheaper for my.)
In these threads they talk about f5g bios, but i can't foun in offical list. Only f5f listed.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1321363/official-vishera-support-list#post_19628420
http://forum.giga-byte.co.uk/index.php?topic=15933.0

I don't play game much, only %5-10 (its maybe. lastest game which I play gta5 is only 2 day. Before this gta4 maybe 5-6 day, when its supply.).

Using plan: one hardware two pc (with vmware).
my athlon x3 450 cpu enough for most time. But when studing ( some times about 20-30 browser, pdfs, office files. And sometimes they must open days. ) my mother can't use (very slow); she doesn't need much power, only facebook, serach cooking etc.
I am mater student ( mathematics and econmic, two; so I don't have free time for gaming)

G3258 can be upgradable, amd going to am4. But changing cpu min 2 years.


Please help for idea, thanks very much.
Sorry for my bad english.

 

[Leyawiin]

I would get the FX-6300. Its better than the other two overall and chances are it will work with your motherboard using the latest BIOS and even if it doesn't AM3+ 970 boards are pretty cheap.

 

[LTC8K6]

The G3258 seems to have the most upgrade ability?

 

[beginner99]

Is it really cpu issue? Tons of browser tab and slow-downs sound more like a RAM issue. browsers are memory hogs, especially chrome. With 20+ tabs you easily reach 1 GB and if you PC only has 2 GB...massive slow-downs. Verify RAM usage with Task manager.

g3258 + at least 4 GB of RAM is sure best for browsing. fx6300 however is more flexible as it will be better for gaming.

What RAM does your athlon x3 450 use? DDR2? Then thats dumb because DRR2 is too costly. If DDR3, just upgrade to 4 GB plus and issues almost certainly disappear.

 

[okan1919]

Thanks for all reply.
I found unoffical(but offical for usb3) bios for support fx 6300 ( overclock.net user send me )
My choice for fx 6300 , becuse cheap and best.

 

[okan1919]

i have 6 gb (2+4 1600 mhz kington)
think to add 4 gb ( total 8 gb, becuse only 2 dimm)

 

[dark zero]

For gaming the Pentium...But for VM, go to the FX.

 

[Shehriazad]

Eugh...people need to stop suggesting the Pentium for gaming just because of it's nice IPC and overclocking potential.

Especially newer titles produce outright awful minimum framerates on dual cores...even the Pentium.
Yes yes...on games like Skyrim it's totally ftw since that 2011(!!) game never heard of proper multithreading.

But there are already games where this chip and its dual core-ness make you stutter regularly and punch you sub 20 fps for split seconds.
I'd only recommend it for super casual games (especially with DX12 at the door) like League of Legends or ..well..Skyrim or other low titles.

"Boioioioing I can overclock my Pentium to 500 Ghz if I throw a bunch of money at my cooling....those 10 fps spikes? Nah, don't mind em...my average fps are awesome."


I feel like those pentium buyers might wake up to some bad surprise even to those FX4300 and 860K chips that it currently beats in old titles and sometimes in new games.


That said...for the situation above I would've said get whatever IS THE CHEAPEST AVAILABLE SOLUTION...because that seemed to be the only thing that makes sense in that scenario. Pentium has the advantage of a better upgrade-path I guess. But DX12 is going to make those 4 module FX chips age surprisingly well..even though they are currently dead-ish.

 

[Jimzz]

Yea looks like your board should support the 6300 so if that's the cheapest then go for it.

 

[lyssword]

Yeah, even me with a comfortable 4.6 ghz g3258 would recommend 6300. It's perfectly sweet for mutlitasking/browsing/youtubing/older games, but newer game titles seem to be hungry for more cores.

 

[iSkylaker]

I would go for the Pentium G3258 and down the road save for an i5-4440 or i5-4460, but if you don't plan to spend more. FX-6300 sounds, OK.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Since it fits the OP's board, the 6300 makes the most sense.

 

[LTC8K6]

FX-6300 is probably not much faster than the G3258 in GTA5, though.

I picked the G3258 because it is socket 1150, and a much faster CPU can be put in down the road, so more future proof, I think.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Nobody has yet asked a very critical question: What is your video card?

Except for gaming in newer multithreaded games, I would go with the pentium. If the OP has a weak video card, I would still recommend the pentium unless he intends to upgrade the video card as well, since newer demanding games that would play poorly on the pentium will still play poorly because of the video card.

That said, if the Fx6300 will work with the motherboard the OP has already, it would seem the obvious choice.

This shows the problem with buying a budget cpu though. Each of the three is OK (ish), depending on the application, but also has significant disadvantages. Moving up to a hyperthreaded i3, or even better an i5 gives a much more well rounded performance, both single thread, multithreaded, and low power usage for the performance you get.

 

[okan1919]

Maybe other solutions good.
But fx 6300 cheapest, not need to motherboard for me.

Gaming not necessary, its only example. I need good workstation.

We use the computer same time( independent using), two mouse-two keyboard

Ok, i can setup a new cumpoter for tv. But why I spend money for ram,hdd, psu . The best idea spending money to cpu+motherboard for that system.

One good system better than two bad sytem.

 

[okan1919]

@frozentundra123456
I have gtx460 756 mb , its very enough for my useage

 

[okan1919]

and the idea is "installing multiseat ubuntu" , so i can't play any games

 

[waltchan]

Pentium G3258 has the strongest and fastest single-thread speed.

 

[TeknoBug]

Pentium G3258 has the strongest and fastest single-thread speed.

Compared to the X4 860K and FX 6300 yes sure.

If you play games like GTA 5 or Planetside 2, do not get the G3258.

 

[PG]

The Pentium isn't very good for GTA V and newer games, no matter what the average fps may show:

http://www.gamersnexus.net/game-bench/1911-gta-v-cpu-benchmark-4790k-3570k-9590-more

"Decent FPS Doesn't Necessarily Mean 'Playable' – The Caveats

A final caveat: We took note of some visual artifacting that occurred during benchmarking, something that is only observable to an onlooker and won't be measured by FPS monitoring utilities.

The lower-end 760K CPU – an APU with the IGP disabled – exhibited occasional “flickering” and green flashes, indicating a performance limitation on the CPU. Although the CPU did push playable FPS by many definitions of the term, users of this CPU may observe annoying visual artifacts at times.

As for Intel's G3258, a dual-core Pentium solution for ultra-budget systems, we were unable to achieve stability for longer than a few minutes at a time. The two times that a test pass was completed, the 1% low and 0.1% low FPS outputs hit a dismal 7 and 5FPS (respectively), effectively making for an unplayable experience. Minutes into our burn-in (part of the low-confidence parity check), the game froze as the CPU failed to keep up with demand. It just isn't powerful enough and is too thread-limited for GTA V."


http://www.reddit.com/r/GTAV/comments/32dxdk/pc_gta_v_g3258_tests/

"[–]JARLORD 1 point 1 month ago

I have a g3258 @ 4.3ghz, nvidia 660, 8gb ram, crucial mx100 ssd and play at 1600x900.

The game is unplayable. Its not loading assets fast enough. I'm often driving on an invisible road and buildings aren't loading. It doesn't matter how i put the settings. I tried dx9, low everything, lowest view distance, etc. The game completely pauses for a second at a time while its loading new assets. Its not the HDD. Its not a ram limitation. Its not GPU vendor specific. Its the g3258. And I'm dying to know a fix."



more cpu benchmarks: http://gamegpu.ru/action-/-fps-/-tps/grand-theft-auto-v-test-gpu-v-3.html

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[happy medium]

I would go for the Pentium G3258 and down the road save for an i5-4440 or i5-4460, but if you don't plan to spend more. FX-6300 sounds, OK.

this!
I'd go for on e of those cheap i3's now and have a upgrade path later on the cheap.

You can get a i3 4160 @ 3.6 for 119$ and will smoke your other choices.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117447

A cheap Asrock z97 board for 80$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157529

200$ give you a much faster system and room to upgrade on the cheap.

In 2 years you could get a used much faster i5/i7 real cheap.
Its only 90$ more than you will spend for the fx6300.

 

[LTC8K6]

The Pentium isn't very good for GTA V and newer games, no matter what the average fps may show:

http://www.gamersnexus.net/game-bench/1911-gta-v-cpu-benchmark-4790k-3570k-9590-more

"Decent FPS Doesn't Necessarily Mean 'Playable' – The Caveats

A final caveat: We took note of some visual artifacting that occurred during benchmarking, something that is only observable to an onlooker and won't be measured by FPS monitoring utilities.

The lower-end 760K CPU – an APU with the IGP disabled – exhibited occasional “flickering” and green flashes, indicating a performance limitation on the CPU. Although the CPU did push playable FPS by many definitions of the term, users of this CPU may observe annoying visual artifacts at times.

As for Intel's G3258, a dual-core Pentium solution for ultra-budget systems, we were unable to achieve stability for longer than a few minutes at a time. The two times that a test pass was completed, the 1% low and 0.1% low FPS outputs hit a dismal 7 and 5FPS (respectively), effectively making for an unplayable experience. Minutes into our burn-in (part of the low-confidence parity check), the game froze as the CPU failed to keep up with demand. It just isn't powerful enough and is too thread-limited for GTA V."


http://www.reddit.com/r/GTAV/comments/32dxdk/pc_gta_v_g3258_tests/

"[–]JARLORD 1 point 1 month ago

I have a g3258 @ 4.3ghz, nvidia 660, 8gb ram, crucial mx100 ssd and play at 1600x900.

The game is unplayable. Its not loading assets fast enough. I'm often driving on an invisible road and buildings aren't loading. It doesn't matter how i put the settings. I tried dx9, low everything, lowest view distance, etc. The game completely pauses for a second at a time while its loading new assets. Its not the HDD. Its not a ram limitation. Its not GPU vendor specific. Its the g3258. And I'm dying to know a fix."



more cpu benchmarks: http://gamegpu.ru/action-/-fps-/-tps/grand-theft-auto-v-test-gpu-v-3.html

scroll down

"I have gtx460 756 mb"

The G3258 will be fine for GTA5 with that card.

http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-460/specifications

 

[frozentundra123456]

this!
I'd go for on e of those cheap i3's now and have a upgrade path later on the cheap.

You can get a i3 4160 @ 3.6 for 119$ and will smoke your other choices.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117447

A cheap Asrock z97 board for 80$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157529

200$ give you a much faster system and room to upgrade on the cheap.

In 2 years you could get a used much faster i5/i7 real cheap.
Its only 90$ more than you will spend for the fx6300.

I dont really see the point of building a budget system and then upgrading later on. It is OK I suppose if you are really strapped for money at the present time and expect to be much better off in a couple of years, like a student who expects to graduate and get a good job. But except for a case like that, if one is really strapped for funds, buying less than you want and then upgrading just costs more in the long run.

 

[Gikaseixas]

okan since you already have a mobo for the FX, just go for the 6300

Not worth spending money on a new board + processor

Can't understand the reasoning behind recommending a Pentium when he already got a board that can take the FX.

 

[TheELF]

The game is unplayable. Its not loading assets fast enough. I'm often driving on an invisible road and buildings aren't loading. It doesn't matter how i put the settings. I tried dx9, low everything, lowest view distance, etc. The game completely pauses for a second at a time while its loading new assets. Its not the HDD. Its not a ram limitation. Its not GPU vendor specific. Its the g3258. And I'm dying to know a fix."

Benchmark sites should learn how to benchmark at some time or another.
If you get artifacts at one speed just lower the speed, it's not rocket science
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UK0_wOKv-rU
If you have to stream too much textures music sfx and the other data and don't have enough data lanes then of course it will freeze and wait for the data to arrive.

For the op yes go for the 6300 but be warned flashing your mobo with some bios someone gave you that might or might not be for your mobo is pretty risky, be sure to know how to rescue your mobo(blindflash) if things go bad.