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86 mpg focus? ford, y u no sell this in america?

at 80-90 mpg, i would buy one of these things in a heartbeat! why is ford and other auto makers so dense?

http://www.topspeed.com/cars/ford/2013-ford-fiesta-econetic-ar127033.html

fiestaeurope.jpg
 
For whatever reason the US rarely sees the majority of the diesel cars. May be something to do with emissions although this little guys says its good on emissions.
 
If it does well in Europe (and it should if it actually gives anywhere near that MPG), there's no doubt in my mind that they will bring it to America within a year.
 
Big Oil doesn't want those kinds of cars here...they use their considerable influence in Washington to keep them out.

:sarcasm:
 
they don't have magic tech there, its just a tiny tiny car. those imperial gallons or us gallons?

they pay ridiculous taxes on their fuel, making sure they come out far behind regardless of how little gas they use.
 
http://green.autoblog.com/2012/03/27/new-ford-fiesta-econetic-gets-71-mpg-in-europe/
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Ford of Europe has started making a version of the Fiesta compact that the company says gets 71 miles per gallon on the forgiving European driving cycle, making the new Fiesta Ford's "most frugal car ever.""
discrepancy?

"Granted, European miles per gallon figures tend to run about 20 percent higher than EPA figures, which puts the German-made Fiesta's fuel economy in the 59-mile-per-gallon range. Still, that's quite a bit more than the U.S.-built Ford Fiesta SFE, which the EPA says gets 40 mpg highway and 33 mpg combined."

eh facts ...
 
Isn't the diesel available in the US of the inferior kind?

Has been the good European kind for years now. They have all kinds of cars that get 50+ mpg with diesel but for some reason the average moron american thinks they smell.. pollute.. and cost more somehow.
 
Oh my god.

SO much misinformation in this thread it's scary. No wonder marketers can bullshit US customers.

First, the US has been using ultra low sulfer diesel for a while now. It's no longer a problem.

Secondly, the problem with diesels is that they have high particulate and NOX emissions. Essentially soot and smog.

US regulates those FAR more tightly that the Europeans, meaning that you can't take diesels from over there and run them over here. (This is a generalization, I believe VW now may have an engine that runs in both places without additional smog controls).

As a result, diesel engines in the US have to have down stream particulate and hydrocarbon traps, and injected Urea (yeah, piss, that's right).

http://phys.org/news145556132.html

Most consumers don't want diesel to begin with. That may be because they think they are noisy and smelly - because the diesels they see on Semis are essentially unregulated. Go Figure.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_exhaust

When customers find out that regulatory requirements end up adding equipment that makes a diesel more expensive, they really don't want it. So why isn't diesel over here? Because your government has made decisions that make it less desirable to the US consumer.

In b4 someone starts FUD about "VW does it" (at a loss).

Of course, I'm posting this in a Brian Manahan thread. Had he taken 2 seconds, he could have learned this himself rather than whining. So I guess in the end, I lose, because I took the time to explain it.
 
Has been the good European kind for years now. They have all kinds of cars that get 50+ mpg with diesel but for some reason the average moron american thinks they smell.. pollute.. and cost more somehow.

Americans think that? If Americans had the option to buy a high mileage car they would. It's moron politicians that prevent this.
 
Oh my god.

SO much misinformation in this thread it's scary. No wonder marketers can bullshit US customers.

First, the US has been using ultra low sulfer diesel for a while now. It's no longer a problem.

Secondly, the problem with diesels is that they have high particulate and NOX emissions. Essentially soot and smog.

US regulates those FAR more tightly that the Europeans, meaning that you can't take diesels from over there and run them over here. (This is a generalization, I believe VW now may have an engine that runs in both places without additional smog controls).

As a result, diesel engines in the US have to have down stream particulate and hydrocarbon traps, and injected Urea (yeah, piss, that's right).

http://phys.org/news145556132.html

Most consumers don't want diesel to begin with. That may be because they think they are noisy and smelly - because the diesels they see on Semis are essentially unregulated. Go Figure.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_exhaust

When customers find out that regulatory requirements end up adding equipment that makes a diesel more expensive, they really don't want it. So why isn't diesel over here? Because your government has made decisions that make it less desirable to the US consumer.

In b4 someone starts FUD about "VW does it" (at a loss).

Of course, I'm posting this in a Brian Manahan thread. Had he taken 2 seconds, he could have learned this himself rather than whining. So I guess in the end, I lose, because I took the time to explain it.


well, you actually provided a lot of good information that I, not being that informed with fuel types and automobile engineering and such, thought was rather useful.

However, you presented this info like a dick, for no particular reason (you seem personally offended by a couple of people that simply have no exposure to the type of information you have?), and so have tainted what would have been an otherwise useful post.

🙁
 
For whatever reason the US rarely sees the majority of the diesel cars. May be something to do with emissions although this little guys says its good on emissions.

US oil company influence is likely keeping this model far away from Americans. They are very influential............
 
There are 3 reasons it probably isn't here. Some diesel in the US has too high a sulfur content and particulate matter and will foul a catalitic converter. There are ways around this, but it's expesnive and/or requires an additional catalyst or urea injection. I haven't kept up on this receenlty, so the US may have actually transitioned entirely to ULSD and I am out of the loop.

the other reason is that US consumers as a whole don't want diesel cars because they get compared to smelly and loud diesel trucks.

The last reason is because a diesel vehicle costs 2-3k more than a gas counterpart. If we assume the difference is 40 MPG to 55MPG (the numbers I have seen tossed around in this thread) and go 12,000 miles a year. 12000 miles = 218 or 300 gallons per year. At $4 a gallon, that equates to $328 per year in gas savings. 6 year minimum payoff using only fuel costs, and assuming fuel cost is identical (which it isn't)
 
well, you actually provided a lot of good information that I, not being that informed with fuel types and automobile engineering and such, thought was rather useful.

However, you presented this info like a dick, for no particular reason (you seem personally offended by a couple of people that simply have no exposure to the type of information you have?), and so have tainted what would have been an otherwise useful post.

🙁

the dick posts and misinformation spreaders are on the other side whenever they cite european mpg as evidence of conspiracy theory or other nonsense.

there are a never ending stream of omg euro mpg is amazing with their magical engines, why don't we have this posts out there on the internets.
 
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