85 year old man crashed into my new car yesterday (pics)

Lucky

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So I was taking my GF to work in my 6 mo. old scion tc yesterday. Came to a 4 way stop, turned, and started accelerating when this car came out of a car wash exit at about 20-25 mph and hit me. Didn't have a chance to avoid it.

You can see here and here how the accident happened, and pictures of the two cars here that show the damage.

Shortly after the accident both my GF and me started to have severe back and neck pain. We went to the hospital for about 5 hours and came home with pain medication and muscle relaxers, and told to take a few days off work.

Now it's my understanding that my medical bills, the prescription copays, lost wages, and my car deductible will be covered by his insurance. But I'm being told my rental car is not covered by my insurance (didn't have the extra coverage) or his. And my insurance is telling me also that he's not responsible for that even if I took him to small claims court.

In addition to my rental car being covered, I would like a reasonable amount for both my girlfriend and I for pain and suffering. It's not a major case so it's not worth taking on an attorney yet (I don't think), but I would like a reasonable amount. Anyone have advice on how to proceed with this and why his insurance would not cover my rental car?





update: also on page 19, standard view

I was indeed wearing a seatbelt. As another poster theorized I may have hit the b-pillar, I'm not exactly sure.

Found out today that my rental WILL NOT be covered, in any circumstance, by his insurance. It's possible that I can file a mini-tort claim (up to $500), but I don't know for certain if car rentals can be claimed on mini-tort claims, apparently it's usually used for deductibles or to fix your vehicle if the other driver is at fault and you do not have comprehensive (since michigan is a no-fault state). My other option is small claims court, but I don't know at this point if he would be responsible for this or not. My rental car was 106 bucks, as I found a body shop that is willing to give me a rental after the parts come in on thursday.

I find out tommorow (tuesday) what the estimate was, and am slated to get the police report at well tommorow morning. I might just give the guy a call and ask him to cut me a check for the cost of the rental and see what he says, that seems the most reasonable and certainly the easiest way of recouping my money. Hopefully he will do the right things.

Found out today that any medical claims arising from the injuries are supposedly covered for life, as long as my primary doctor that refers me to the needed specialist does so with a note that the injuries arose from the accident. Doctor told me to take off at least through thursday, with a scrip for 40 vicodin in the meantime. I'm supposed to follow up at that time with how I feel. Neck pain has mostly gone away, back pain is still very much present. Normal activity is very possible while on the muscle relaxers, vicoden and 800mg ibuprofen (I feel 80% normal) but they don't advise you to do much in the way of driving, etc. while on narcotics so I really can't go back to work on them.


update 2 , 2/17

Three weeks later I'm still in pretty bad shape. My whole back hurts and I've been prescibed more narcotics to take the edge off. I've missed 8 days of work so far. I'm going in this morning to have a 2nd xray as well as an MRI of my back because my doctors suspect I have a herniated disc from the accident. I've been going to physical therapy and will likely require another 6 weeks of therapy at 2-3x/week at the least.

Picked my car up yesterday. Haven't had time to go over it with a fine tooth comb but it looks pretty good. Final repair was $6200, and my rental car during the period it was out has cost me $350. I made the old man a private offer last week to settle with me @ $250 or I'd take him to court. He's got a week left to pay me.
 

Platypus

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pull me out of the air(auto?)crash
pull me out of the lake
cause i'm your superhero
we are standing on the edge.
 

What is this pain and suffering bullshit? You got hurt, his insurance will pay for your medical expenses. I don't think a car accident qualifies as any sort of undue psychological stress for you, much less for your girlfriend, who was a freaking PASSENGER. MAYBE if it was a severe injury accident or a fatal crash you'd qualify for punitive damages/pain and suffering, but I think any reasonable judge would laugh in your face, as I'm doing right now.

EDIT: I'm looking at a law textbook now which states that punitive/compensatory damages (which is essentially the 'pain and suffering' euphamism we all hear) is reserved for cases where the defendant is shown to have acted in malice or intentional wrongdoing. You clearly don't qualify for this.
 

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It seems like he has full responsibility for the accident, then again, he's 80 years old. I'm sure you can take him to court but that would be mean. Since there isn't any serious injury and you'll be compensated for your expenses, might as well just drop it and give the guy a break.
 

Iron Woode

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Originally posted by: Lucky
So I was taking my GF to work in my 6 mo. old scion tc yesterday. Came to a 4 way stop, turned, and started accelerating when this car came out of a car wash exit at about 20-25 mph and hit me. Didn't have a chance to avoid it.

You can see here and here how the accident happened, and pictures of the two cars here that show the damage.

Shortly after the accident both my GF and me started to have severe back and neck pain. We went to the hospital for about 5 hours and came home with pain medication and muscle relaxers, and told to take a few days off work.

Now it's my understanding that my medical bills, the prescription copays, lost wages, and my car deductible will be covered by his insurance. But I'm being told my rental car is not covered by my insurance (didn't have the extra coverage) or his. And my insurance is telling me also that he's not responsible for that even if I took him to small claims court.

In addition to my rental car being covered, I would like a reasonable amount for both my girlfriend and I for pain and suffering. It's not a major case so it's not worth taking on an attorney yet (I don't think), but I would like a reasonable amount. Anyone have advice on how to proceed with this and why his insurance would not cover my rental car?
Go after his insurance company by hiring a personal injury lawyer.

All costs incured by you including a rental are his insurance company's responsibility. Don't let them settle with you without legal representation.
 

Lucky

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Originally posted by: jumpr
What is this pain and suffering bullshit? You got hurt, his insurance will pay for your medical expenses. I don't think a car accident qualifies as any sort of undue psychological stress for you, much less for your girlfriend, who was a freaking PASSENGER. MAYBE if it was a severe injury accident or a fatal crash you'd qualify for punitive damages/pain and suffering, but I think any reasonable judge would laugh in your face, as I'm doing right now.


my back and neck hurt like a motherfvcker, and my GF neck and shoulder do as well. I don't give two sh*ts whether you laugh or not. Hit your head on a steering wheel and then talk to me.
 

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Originally posted by: Lucky
And my insurance is telling me also that he's not responsible for that even if I took him to small claims court.

In addition to my rental car being covered, I would like a reasonable amount for both my girlfriend and I for pain and suffering. It's not a major case so it's not worth taking on an attorney yet (I don't think), but I would like a reasonable amount.

What the christ? I could see how you MIGHT get something for a rental car, but I doubt it. Pain and suffering? Are you paralyzed? Do you have serious injuries? If you did, I'm sure you'd mention it in your initial post.

EVERYBODY gets in car accidents. Pain and suffering?! Pain and suffering?! You're whats wrong with the courts system in this country. You feel like he owes you money because your heart's broken over a car? Get over yourself.

Sorry about your car. I'm nore sorry about your lack of character.

-silver

 

Platypus

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Originally posted by: agnitrate
Originally posted by: Lucky
And my insurance is telling me also that he's not responsible for that even if I took him to small claims court.

In addition to my rental car being covered, I would like a reasonable amount for both my girlfriend and I for pain and suffering. It's not a major case so it's not worth taking on an attorney yet (I don't think), but I would like a reasonable amount.

What the christ? I could see how you MIGHT get something for a rental car, but I doubt it. Pain and suffering? Are you paralyzed? Do you have serious injuries? If you did, I'm sure you'd mention it in your initial post.

EVERYBODY gets in car accidents. Pain and suffering?! Pain and suffering?! You're whats wrong with the courts system in this country. You feel like he owes you money because your heart's broken over a car? Get over yourself.

Sorry about your car. I'm nore sorry about your lack of character.

-silver


I like this reply better than mine :(
 

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Originally posted by: Lucky
Originally posted by: jumpr
What is this pain and suffering bullshit? You got hurt, his insurance will pay for your medical expenses. I don't think a car accident qualifies as any sort of undue psychological stress for you, much less for your girlfriend, who was a freaking PASSENGER. MAYBE if it was a severe injury accident or a fatal crash you'd qualify for punitive damages/pain and suffering, but I think any reasonable judge would laugh in your face, as I'm doing right now.


my back and neck hurt like a motherfvcker, and my GF neck and shoulder do as well. I don't give two sh*ts whether you laugh or not. Hit your head on a steering wheel and then talk to me.

Back and neck treatment = medical expenses, not pain and suffering. Pain and suffering = losing a limb, someone dying.
 

Originally posted by: Lucky
Originally posted by: jumpr
What is this pain and suffering bullshit? You got hurt, his insurance will pay for your medical expenses. I don't think a car accident qualifies as any sort of undue psychological stress for you, much less for your girlfriend, who was a freaking PASSENGER. MAYBE if it was a severe injury accident or a fatal crash you'd qualify for punitive damages/pain and suffering, but I think any reasonable judge would laugh in your face, as I'm doing right now.


my back and neck hurt like a motherfvcker, and my GF neck and shoulder do as well. I don't give two sh*ts whether you laugh or not. Hit your head on a steering wheel and then talk to me.
"Pain" is covered by the medical expenses which are being covered by the at-fault party. "Suffering?" You're going to get a nice check from his insurance. That should alleviate any suffering you've got.
 

Iron Woode

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Originally posted by: agnitrate
Originally posted by: Lucky
And my insurance is telling me also that he's not responsible for that even if I took him to small claims court.

In addition to my rental car being covered, I would like a reasonable amount for both my girlfriend and I for pain and suffering. It's not a major case so it's not worth taking on an attorney yet (I don't think), but I would like a reasonable amount.

What the christ? I could see how you MIGHT get something for a rental car, but I doubt it. Pain and suffering? Are you paralyzed? Do you have serious injuries? If you did, I'm sure you'd mention it in your initial post.

EVERYBODY gets in car accidents. Pain and suffering?! Pain and suffering?! You're whats wrong with the courts system in this country. You feel like he owes you money because your heart's broken over a car? Get over yourself.

Sorry about your car. I'm nore sorry about your lack of character.

-silver
way to thread crap troll.
 

z0mb13

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Keep in mind if you are taking legal action, you are suing a 85 year old! you can put his live in jeopardy..

karma is a bitch


 

Philippine Mango

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Originally posted by: FlyLice
You won't get shvt for pain and suffering unless you lost an arm or leg.

Mom did, when she got whiplash from a car accident in 1997 she was compensated though I don't know how much she was but it was apparently sufficient.
 
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what car is that? first i thought it was a toyota avensis but round the front it looks totally diff, is it a toyota? or a subaru?
 

Originally posted by: Iron Woode
Originally posted by: agnitrate
Originally posted by: Lucky
And my insurance is telling me also that he's not responsible for that even if I took him to small claims court.

In addition to my rental car being covered, I would like a reasonable amount for both my girlfriend and I for pain and suffering. It's not a major case so it's not worth taking on an attorney yet (I don't think), but I would like a reasonable amount.

What the christ? I could see how you MIGHT get something for a rental car, but I doubt it. Pain and suffering? Are you paralyzed? Do you have serious injuries? If you did, I'm sure you'd mention it in your initial post.

EVERYBODY gets in car accidents. Pain and suffering?! Pain and suffering?! You're whats wrong with the courts system in this country. You feel like he owes you money because your heart's broken over a car? Get over yourself.

Sorry about your car. I'm nore sorry about your lack of character.

-silver
way to thread crap troll.
If he walks into any small claims court wanting 'pain and suffering' for his accident, he'll be laughed out of court. We're just trying to save him some embarassment.
 

z0mb13

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Originally posted by: jumpr
Originally posted by: Lucky
Originally posted by: jumpr
What is this pain and suffering bullshit? You got hurt, his insurance will pay for your medical expenses. I don't think a car accident qualifies as any sort of undue psychological stress for you, much less for your girlfriend, who was a freaking PASSENGER. MAYBE if it was a severe injury accident or a fatal crash you'd qualify for punitive damages/pain and suffering, but I think any reasonable judge would laugh in your face, as I'm doing right now.


my back and neck hurt like a motherfvcker, and my GF neck and shoulder do as well. I don't give two sh*ts whether you laugh or not. Hit your head on a steering wheel and then talk to me.
"Pain" is covered by the medical expenses which are being covered by the at-fault party. "Suffering?" You're going to get a nice check from his insurance. That should alleviate any suffering you've got.

unfortunately, he (with the assistance of ambulance chaser lawyers) will make a case that his "pain and suffering" will be much more than its covered with medical expenses.
 

Platypus

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Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
what car is that? first i thought it was a toyota avensis but round the front it looks totally diff, is it a toyota? or a subaru?

it's a scion
 

Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Originally posted by: FlyLice
You won't get shvt for pain and suffering unless you lost an arm or leg.

Mom did, when she got whiplash from a car accident in 1997 she was compensated though I don't know how much she was but it was apparently sufficient.
She probably got compensated for her medical expenses, which is COMPLETELY different from pain and suffering, which is more appropriately classified as punitive/compensatory damages.
 

agnitrate

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Originally posted by: Iron Woode
way to thread crap troll.

I wasn't crapping. I think I'm the only one being realistic here. Lucky made no mention of ANY injuries in his first post. Perhaps he was more worried about his wallet than his body?

-silver

 

Lucky

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Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Originally posted by: FlyLice
You won't get shvt for pain and suffering unless you lost an arm or leg.

Mom did, when she got whiplash from a car accident in 1997 she was compensated though I don't know how much she was but it was apparently sufficient.

Exactly. I know it's pretty common to be able to be compensated, I just don't know if an attorney is neccesary or I can just do it alone.

If you are just going to thread crap, stay the fvsk out of the thread.
 

z0mb13

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Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Originally posted by: FlyLice
You won't get shvt for pain and suffering unless you lost an arm or leg.

Mom did, when she got whiplash from a car accident in 1997 she was compensated though I don't know how much she was but it was apparently sufficient.

yep, things like whiplash, neck damage, pain are very hard to disprove

 

sniperruff

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Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
what car is that? first i thought it was a toyota avensis but round the front it looks totally diff, is it a toyota? or a subaru?

toyota scion tC.