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schneiderguy

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That's how much foreign aid the US has given Israel.

Why are we funding religious extremism in the Middle East? That's 84 billion dollars in support of death and destruction caused by the Israeli presence in the region.
 

Texashiker

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That 84 billion would have been better served if the US government bought and gave away homes here in the states.
 

momeNt

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We should have just given them a spot the size of Israel in the middle of the USA, somewhere in Kansas I would presume. It would have been a lot cheaper and they could have produced for our economy.
 

gevorg

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But what about the billions we get in return by having a presence in Middle East? The trade between EU and Asia goes through Middle East. The top world energy reserves are in Middle East. There are trillions worth of $$$ changing hands in/through Middle East. Gotta have a bite of that. Gotta make sure that trade is secure by any means. "Religious extremism" is just an excuse for the uninformed.
 

drebo

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That 84 billion would have been better served if the US government bought and gave away homes here in the states.

It would have been best served not taking it from citizens in the form of taxes in the first place.

Specifically, the middle class.
 

sm625

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The promulgation of zionism carries a hefty price. But you arent allowed to talk about it, so just bend over, clench your teeth, lick those boots, and shut up. You'll never get a satisfying answer to any question like this until you realize that the US has been completely overrun by what are best described as bloodthristy, demonic, occult worshipping elites. They are literally part of a satanic death cult. They perform blood rituals on mass scale to drive the mass consciousness of the entire nation. It is amazing the power they have, and how they work right out in the open.

How they took over this country has been documented extensively. But of course if you dont read, and all you see are little "TLDR" bubbles popping up everywhere, then you'll never understand. And that too was written about 50 and 100 years ago. Distract the population with baubles to the point where they dont even want to read. To the point their attention span is that of a gnat. We're there now. People aught to be downright crapping in their boots over what they've been able to achieve right under our noses, with not one in 100 giving a damn about any of it.
 

bfdd

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Would rather not send a single dollar to another country. No aid to non-States or territories. If they want our wealth, they can join our Union and play by our rules.
 

Dari

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Considering how much Jews contribute to this country's economy, I think their influence in our foreign policy is justified. Hence, the amount we send as aid to the Israeli experiment.
 

momeNt

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The amount of "aid" we have given to Israel is completely and utterly dwarfed by the amount of aid that Iraq and Afghanistan have received in the past 10 years.

Creating a nation out of Israel is practically free compared to making a nation out of Iraq and Afghanistan.
 

airdata

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We also let them steal state secrets from us without penalty and secretly develop nuclear weapons without consequence... and yet we threaten to goto war with countries who haven't even gotten that far yet.
 

Ninjahedge

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moment, the only thing is, WE screwed up on the whole Afghanistan Iraq thing.

We should have just stayed with Afghanistan, not gone after the table-thumping Saddam, and kept the WORLD SUPPORT we had for our first campaign.

Pakistan is just a mess. No easy way out of that one.

Israel? We are definitely funding that little puppy WAY too much. It is very easy for a country to demand terms and capitulance from their neighbors when they are SO WELL FUNDED militarily.

The problem is, our original intent was to establish a foothold in the middle east in combination to restoring the Jewish people to their "homeland". Nothing is ever pure in motive, however, and our foothold developed its own thoughts and ideas about how it wanted the people around them to behave.

Does this mean that the people around them are innocent of any aggression? Hells no. We can't just tell Israel "Nice knowing ya!" and ah heck off, but giving as much as we do now is disproportionate and is NOT helping settle things down.

As with almost everything in life, the absolutes are the easiest, but almost never the right things to do.
 

MovingTarget

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Looking at that one number doesn't give you a comprehensive picture of foreign aid, or even foreign aid to Israel alone. Do I think that it is too high? Yes, but I'm not against the concept.

Also, since when is Israel trying to start WW3? If "trying to continue existing"="trying to start WW3", then sure. They may not want to start WW3, but it may happen anyway. I don't really want to get into the specifics of tactics, etc. that Israel uses - I just want to point out that statement as hyperbole...
 

bfdd

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Considering how much Jews contribute to this country's economy, I think their influence in our foreign policy is justified. Hence, the amount we send as aid to the Israeli experiment.

False, fuck them. They can join the union or take their toys and go home. I don't care if I'd "lose out".
 

schneiderguy

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Also, since when is Israel trying to start WW3? If "trying to continue existing"="trying to start WW3", then sure. They may not want to start WW3, but it may happen anyway. I don't really want to get into the specifics of tactics, etc. that Israel uses - I just want to point out that statement as hyperbole...

Threatening to attack Iran for developing nuclear weapons is not "trying to continue to exist". Iran has just as much of a right to have nuclear weapons as Israel.
 

woolfe9999

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That's how much foreign aid the US has given Israel.

Why are we funding religious extremism in the Middle East? That's 84 billion dollars in support of death and destruction caused by the Israeli presence in the region.

Why are you using a number that represents some 50+ years of aid rather than showing the yearly amount? Oh right, you want to present as large a number as possible to make your point. What percentage of the US budget OVER THAT TIME does that number represent? How much total money has our government spent on everything combined over that time period?

Also, please source/link the number you provided.
 

MovingTarget

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Threatening to attack Iran for developing nuclear weapons is not "trying to continue to exist". Iran has just as much of a right to have nuclear weapons as Israel.

That may be true, but Israel isn't threatening to wipe Iran off of the map. The $84,854827,200 question is what Iran would really do if/when it got nuclear weapons - if its bite could match its bark. If that answer is "use them on Israel", then yes, it does fall under "trying to continue to exist". Neither one of them should have nukes, IMHO...
 

Lithium381

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Why are you using a number that represents some 50+ years of aid rather than showing the yearly amount? Oh right, you want to present as large a number as possible to make your point. What percentage of the US budget OVER THAT TIME does that number represent? How much total money has our government spent on everything combined over that time period?

Also, please source/link the number you provided.

That's how all statistics are presented when combined with an opinion.. . attempting to be persuasive. Same reason the government doesn't report the REAL unemployment, it uses a different number so it doesn't look so bad; they're trying to convince you of something.
 

EagleKeeper

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That's how much foreign aid the US has given Israel.

Why are we funding religious extremism in the Middle East? That's 84 billion dollars in support of death and destruction caused by the Israeli presence in the region.

Pull the plug on Egypt, Turkey, Jordan, the Palestinians as well.

And while you are at it, hand over your computer to Goodwill. Parts were designed in Israel.

We understand that you want nothing to do with Israel or be associated with them.

But just ask how come we were able to roll through Iraq twice so easily. Advanced intel on weapon systems. Saved a few lives