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Originally posted by: DLeRium
Honda got PWNED by Toyota for sales this year. Accord sales were down, Civic sales were down... and I thought the Civic looked decent this time around.
Originally posted by: waggy
what a pille of crap. such a deathtrap. how they stay on the road is beyond me.
oh wait. this is not a ford thread. oops i forgot we allow Honda to make such crap and bitch about ford etc..
Originally posted by: QurazyQuisp
Originally posted by: waggy
what a pille of crap. such a deathtrap. how they stay on the road is beyond me.
oh wait. this is not a ford thread. oops i forgot we allow Honda to make such crap and bitch about ford etc..
You didn't hear? Japanese FTW! They are like a million times better than anything else on the road!!111!!! They never have problems or recalls.
Oh wait.
Originally posted by: Glavinsolo
Originally posted by: QurazyQuisp
Originally posted by: waggy
what a pille of crap. such a deathtrap. how they stay on the road is beyond me.
oh wait. this is not a ford thread. oops i forgot we allow Honda to make such crap and bitch about ford etc..
You didn't hear? Japanese FTW! They are like a million times better than anything else on the road!!111!!! They never have problems or recalls.
Oh wait.
Engine for Engine which is better? American or Japanese? Let's not even touch who's who on styling
Originally posted by: Glavinsolo
Originally posted by: QurazyQuisp
Originally posted by: waggy
what a pille of crap. such a deathtrap. how they stay on the road is beyond me.
oh wait. this is not a ford thread. oops i forgot we allow Honda to make such crap and bitch about ford etc..
You didn't hear? Japanese FTW! They are like a million times better than anything else on the road!!111!!! They never have problems or recalls.
Oh wait.
Engine for Engine which is better? American or Japanese? Let's not even touch who's who on styling
Drivetrain for Drivetrain which is better?Originally posted by: QurazyQuisp
Originally posted by: Glavinsolo
Originally posted by: QurazyQuisp
Originally posted by: waggy
what a pille of crap. such a deathtrap. how they stay on the road is beyond me.
oh wait. this is not a ford thread. oops i forgot we allow Honda to make such crap and bitch about ford etc..
You didn't hear? Japanese FTW! They are like a million times better than anything else on the road!!111!!! They never have problems or recalls.
Oh wait.
Engine for Engine which is better? American or Japanese? Let's not even touch who's who on styling
Well, Engine for Engine, I'd consider them both to be equal. Usually the engines are the least of peoples worries. It's once you get into the drivetrain and so on that the problems start showing up.
Originally posted by: Glavinsolo
Drivetrain for Drivetrain which is better?Originally posted by: QurazyQuisp
Originally posted by: Glavinsolo
Originally posted by: QurazyQuisp
Originally posted by: waggy
what a pille of crap. such a deathtrap. how they stay on the road is beyond me.
oh wait. this is not a ford thread. oops i forgot we allow Honda to make such crap and bitch about ford etc..
You didn't hear? Japanese FTW! They are like a million times better than anything else on the road!!111!!! They never have problems or recalls.
Oh wait.
Engine for Engine which is better? American or Japanese? Let's not even touch who's who on styling
Well, Engine for Engine, I'd consider them both to be equal. Usually the engines are the least of peoples worries. It's once you get into the drivetrain and so on that the problems start showing up.
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: Glavinsolo
Originally posted by: QurazyQuisp
Originally posted by: waggy
what a pille of crap. such a deathtrap. how they stay on the road is beyond me.
oh wait. this is not a ford thread. oops i forgot we allow Honda to make such crap and bitch about ford etc..
You didn't hear? Japanese FTW! They are like a million times better than anything else on the road!!111!!! They never have problems or recalls.
Oh wait.
Engine for Engine which is better? American or Japanese? Let's not even touch who's who on styling
American. The average American is rated higher then the average Japanese car now.
Best predicted reliability:
(As calculated by Consumer Reports)
Small cars:
Toyota Echo
Honda Civic (2005)
Toyota Prius
Honda Civic Hybrid (2005)
Toyota Corolla
Subaru Impreza (non-turbo)
Sporty cars/Convertibles Coupes
Honda S2000
Mazda MX-5 Miata (2005)
Lexus SC430
Chevrolet Monte Carlo (2005)
Sedans
Lexus GS300/GS430*
Infiniti M35/M45*
Lexus IS300 (2005)
Honda Accord Hybrid*
Toyota Camry
Honda Accord 4-cyl.
Lexus LS430
Wagons
Toyota Matrix
Minivans
(None rated "Best")
Small SUVs
Toyota Rav4 (2005)
Honda CR-V
Honda Element
Subaru Forester
Mercury Mariner*
Mitsubishi Outlander
Mid-sized SUVs
Lexus RX400h (hybrid)*
Toyota Highlander
Toyota 4Runner (V-8)
Infiniti FX35
Large SUVs
Toyota Land Cruiser
Pick-up trucks
Honda Ridgeline*
Toyota Tundra
Originally posted by: Legend
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: Glavinsolo
Originally posted by: QurazyQuisp
Originally posted by: waggy
what a pille of crap. such a deathtrap. how they stay on the road is beyond me.
oh wait. this is not a ford thread. oops i forgot we allow Honda to make such crap and bitch about ford etc..
You didn't hear? Japanese FTW! They are like a million times better than anything else on the road!!111!!! They never have problems or recalls.
Oh wait.
Engine for Engine which is better? American or Japanese? Let's not even touch who's who on styling
American. The average American is rated higher then the average Japanese car now.
Why then do consumer reports list a bunch of Japanese cars?
http://www.cnn.com/2005/AUTOS/10/26/cr_...able/index.html?section=cnn_topstories
Best predicted reliability:
(As calculated by Consumer Reports)
Small cars:
Toyota Echo
Honda Civic (2005)
Toyota Prius
Honda Civic Hybrid (2005)
Toyota Corolla
Subaru Impreza (non-turbo)
Sporty cars/Convertibles Coupes
Honda S2000
Mazda MX-5 Miata (2005)
Lexus SC430
Chevrolet Monte Carlo (2005)
Sedans
Lexus GS300/GS430*
Infiniti M35/M45*
Lexus IS300 (2005)
Honda Accord Hybrid*
Toyota Camry
Honda Accord 4-cyl.
Lexus LS430
Wagons
Toyota Matrix
Minivans
(None rated "Best")
Small SUVs
Toyota Rav4 (2005)
Honda CR-V
Honda Element
Subaru Forester
Mercury Mariner*
Mitsubishi Outlander
Mid-sized SUVs
Lexus RX400h (hybrid)*
Toyota Highlander
Toyota 4Runner (V-8)
Infiniti FX35
Large SUVs
Toyota Land Cruiser
Pick-up trucks
Honda Ridgeline*
Toyota Tundra
Originally posted by: QurazyQuisp
Originally posted by: Glavinsolo
Drivetrain for Drivetrain which is better?Originally posted by: QurazyQuisp
Originally posted by: Glavinsolo
Originally posted by: QurazyQuisp
Originally posted by: waggy
what a pille of crap. such a deathtrap. how they stay on the road is beyond me.
oh wait. this is not a ford thread. oops i forgot we allow Honda to make such crap and bitch about ford etc..
You didn't hear? Japanese FTW! They are like a million times better than anything else on the road!!111!!! They never have problems or recalls.
Oh wait.
Engine for Engine which is better? American or Japanese? Let's not even touch who's who on styling
Well, Engine for Engine, I'd consider them both to be equal. Usually the engines are the least of peoples worries. It's once you get into the drivetrain and so on that the problems start showing up.
I refuse to answer. I don't have empirical evidence to back up my claims. Neither do you. Although I bet, if a research company took 1000 each of Ford Fusions, Honda Accords, and Toyota Camrys, and recorded every single thing that went wrong, (for say, 100,000 miles) I bet that you'd see that the cars are probably darn near equal. The reason why the company would have to do it is because I'm not relying on peoples stupidity to rate how reliable a car is. (IE Consumer Reports)
Don't get me wrong, I believe that Japanese cars were much more reliable than american cars in the 80's and 90's, but now, in the 00's I have a hard time believing that.
Originally posted by: QurazyQuisp
Let's take the average american into account. Ignorant? Yes, Stupid? Probably, Clueless about their car? Yes.
Now, let's form all those people's experiences with cars into one magazine. What does that make the magazine?
Honda said in a Jan. 9 letter to the government that the wiring harness for the seat position sensor, which detects the driver?s seating position and adjusts the air bag inflation pressure accordingly, was attached in the wrong location and may have been overtightened.
Honda said the sensor wire could break and cause the air bag warning light to be illuminated and prevent the sensor from working properly. When the sensor fails, the air bag system automatically moves to full inflation pressure, which could increase the risk of injury for smaller drivers in a frontal crash, the Japanese automaker said.
Originally posted by: Legend
Originally posted by: QurazyQuisp
Originally posted by: Glavinsolo
Drivetrain for Drivetrain which is better?Originally posted by: QurazyQuisp
Originally posted by: Glavinsolo
Originally posted by: QurazyQuisp
Originally posted by: waggy
what a pille of crap. such a deathtrap. how they stay on the road is beyond me.
oh wait. this is not a ford thread. oops i forgot we allow Honda to make such crap and bitch about ford etc..
You didn't hear? Japanese FTW! They are like a million times better than anything else on the road!!111!!! They never have problems or recalls.
Oh wait.
Engine for Engine which is better? American or Japanese? Let's not even touch who's who on styling
Well, Engine for Engine, I'd consider them both to be equal. Usually the engines are the least of peoples worries. It's once you get into the drivetrain and so on that the problems start showing up.
I refuse to answer. I don't have empirical evidence to back up my claims. Neither do you. Although I bet, if a research company took 1000 each of Ford Fusions, Honda Accords, and Toyota Camrys, and recorded every single thing that went wrong, (for say, 100,000 miles) I bet that you'd see that the cars are probably darn near equal. The reason why the company would have to do it is because I'm not relying on peoples stupidity to rate how reliable a car is. (IE Consumer Reports)
Don't get me wrong, I believe that Japanese cars were much more reliable than american cars in the 80's and 90's, but now, in the 00's I have a hard time believing that.
Doesn't consumer reports rate cars based on how many problems have been reported by consumers, and then use that data to predict reliability? You call people that look at empirical evidence (science) stupid, and then pull something out of thin air? Wtf?
Originally posted by: Legend
Originally posted by: QurazyQuisp
Let's take the average american into account. Ignorant? Yes, Stupid? Probably, Clueless about their car? Yes.
Now, let's form all those people's experiences with cars into one magazine. What does that make the magazine?
So basically your argument is that because the masses are retarded, the reports are retarded. And yet they consistently favor Toyota and Honda. Is this your concession speech?
Originally posted by: Legend
Don't get me wrong, I'd buy American if they were as reliable. But I'd rather drive used Hondas, like my 1992 Accord, and not have to waste all my income on a car.
Originally posted by: QurazyQuisp
Originally posted by: Legend
Don't get me wrong, I'd buy American if they were as reliable. But I'd rather drive used Hondas, like my 1992 Accord, and not have to waste all my income on a car.
If you read one of my previous posts, I said that I believed that Japanese cars were much more reliable than their american counterparts in the 80's and 90's. But now, I do not.
