800 Celeron vs. 800 Pentium III article.

[Zathras]

Hi all.

Can anyone give me a link to this article? It compared a 533a o/c to 800 to an 800 P3 with both running on a 100 fsb.

I'm not sure where I saw it, AnandTech, Sharkey's, HardOCP or some other site.

Thanks.

 

[PliotronX]

Whoa, I wanna read!!

 

[obeseotron]

Newer celerons are worthless. They have NO place in the market. Get a p3 650 or 700 and overclock it. If you don't wanna spend as much, get a Duron. Thunderbirds are viable, but I don't see much reason to get one over a p3.

 

[BUTCH1]

Maybe the Celeron2 cant keep up clock for clock with the durons but
they are hardly "worthless". Considering you will need a new,
expensive MB to put your duron in and how about 60-80 bucks for a
beefy power supply as a duron system might need more juice than your
current PS can supply. Some of us just want better performance
without costing an bunch of dough!!!!!!

 

[MadRat]

I went the C2-566 at 850mHz route. Its fine for you guys that have PC100 memory and Slot-1 boards that support 100 FSB. Its still alot more power than a plain jane C366@550 or P2-450. Just don't expect it to be worthy of its 850mHz rating when it comes to heavy gaming!

(If you get a GeForce then definitely avoid the C!! - its a pretty bad mismatch.)

 

[BUTCH1]

ttt

 

[zippy]

why doesn't someplace do a C2 600 vs. P3 600e vs. P3 600 katmai vs. P3 600B vs. P3 600EB review?

 

[MadRat]

Wow, that would be a trick.

 

[Kill_Phil]

what about a c2566 @ 850 with a tnt2 overclocked to ultra speck +
???
alot better than my p2 333 @ 405?

 

[Pete]

If you have the $ for a guaranteed Cel2 OCer, it's better spent on a stock P3. You'll get about the same speed, but also the chance to OC the P3 for some much nicer speed gains.

 

[BUTCH1]

But to OC a P3 Cumine you will have to go above 100Mhz FSB. If you
have plain-jane PC-100 memory you might have to replace it with new
PC-133 ram again, more money!

 

[Chuffmaster2k]

I am going to buy a CII 566 and oc it to at least 850. It is a hell of a lot better than the 233 I have right now. My brother in law works at a computer shop. I can get things at 5% over cost. Pretty cool. Two weeks left to wait.

 

[Phear]

Why do people have such a thing against the CelII? OK so its not up to PIII speed but for the money its well worth it and a damn good overclocker. I've got my CelII 566 up to 950MHz, at that speed its at least as fast as a PIII 800. Realistically to get 800 out of an O/C PIII i'd have to buy a 600, I dunno about anywhere else but here in the UK they are about 70% more expensive that the CelII 566. I'd also have to change my PC100 RAM too.

For the £70 I paid for my CelII 566 I love it.

Phear

 

[Rankor]

Red Dawn gets the door prize .

Sure, they're slower than their equivalent P3 parts (even oc'd a Celery II 566 to 850 roughly performs ~P3 600-650), but for the price they can't be beat.

Celery IIs give current BX owners a chance to let the trusty old BX board run one maybe two more upgrade cycles. By that time, higher clocked P3 Coppermine procs would've gone down some and Duron/T-Bird prices would've gone down some, too. Also, it would give a chance for mobo makers to whip out more Duron/T-Bird boards and/or come out with later BIOS revisions to those that are already out.

For me, its nice to use the old BX mobos one more cycle (6-10 mos). After that, I'll check the market on current prices, improvements on either Intel or Amd-based chipset and go one from there.

I'll probably continue onto the P3 Coppermine on one rig and start off from scratch to probably an Amd Duron on the other. I tend to go slightly behind the current tech b/c it's easier on the wallet and I'm in no rush to get 100+ fps in Q3A .

To answer Zathras question:

I think it's in either Sharky Extreme or over @ FiringSquad.

I remember what you are inquiring about. They did benches on both the Celery II 800 and the Coppermine 800. They then disabled the L2 (don't know about the L1) on both procs and did benches on them. Frames were identical w/on board cache disabled on both procs. They showed that the major difference between the two was type of L2 cache on board each chip.

 

[Goi]

I'd say its a good, cheap upgrade for people with older BX boards to hold off that major upgrade for a while. In fact now I'm regretting getting Mendocino C533 instead of a Cel2 566

What I'd like to see if a comparo between a Mendocino C533 and a Cel2 533.

 

[Phear]

I also think your underselling the poor little Cel2 a bit. In the reviews I've read including the Cel2 overclocking article here at Anandtech (http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.html?i=1227) a Cel2 at 850 consistently outperforms a PIII 700 and a Cel2 at 950 consistently outperforms a PIII 800 (on similar BX platforms). Considering the vast majority of of Cel2 566's will reach 850, you can't find PIII 700 performance at that price on an intel platform any other way, including other overclocking options.

Of course if your starting from scratch the Duron is a better option, but a lot of people can't afford to replace their cpu and motherboard.

Phear

 

[Zathras]

Here it is:

http://firingsquad.gamers.com/hardware/p3vc2/default.asp

I went strictly by the Q3 high quality 1024x768 scores since I don't play demos.

For the money the CeleronII performs well and lets you keep your 100 mhz ram.

I've already built my computer using a BE6-II, 128 meg 100 mhz ram, 566 C2 at 850, and 3dfx V5-5500. Everything works great and all the games are gorgeous. I can run 800x600x4xFSAA on my old games like Kingpin, Half Life, and Descent3. Quake3 works best for me at 1024x768x32 with no FSAA. This keeps the framerate nice and high (never below 40 fps and often at the 90 fps limit).

I got the BE6-II/566 Celeron combo guaranteed to run at 850 mhz at http://www.outsideloop.com/ You pay a bit of a premium, but I wanted to make sure the chip would work at 850.

Does anyone know if a Celeron 566 would drop into a Dell 500T with a 100 mhz board and work at 850? Hmmmmm.....

Cheers!