8 to 10 pedestrians run down in Toronto.

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Actually yes it does. This is the legal definition.

18 USC 2331



The Canadian criminal code reads the same. There has to be a specific intent to be considered as terrorism.

You're assuming being batshit crazy precludes intent or prior planning.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

You're assuming being batshit crazy precludes intent or prior planning.

It's still irrelevant if it wasn't done to exact a specific response. Anyone who would do this can be called bat shit crazy. It isn't terrorism if it wasn't done for very specific reasons. This is the definition of terrorism both dictionary and criminal.

I don't know what more I can show you. It's written directly in the law.

 

[purbeast0]

God damn you idiots argue about anything on this forum.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

It's still irrelevant if it wasn't done to exact a specific response. Anyone who would do this can be called bat shit crazy. It isn't terrorism if it wasn't done for very specific reasons. This is the definition of terrorism both dictionary and criminal.

I don't know what more I can show you. It's written directly in the law.

Who says the idiot didn't have a specific reason/intent even if momentary?

 

[realibrad]

So Canada has one issue when it comes to its health system. If you go through Medicare but wait months, or go private and pay out of pocket over $100 per hour. Not sure how this could be fixed.

 

[Commodus]

It's confirmed: the guy is a misogynist incel nut.

So just remember, social conservatives, every time you whine about how feminists are the real danger, you're enabling guys like this.

 

[IronWing]

I had to go read up on what the heck the "incel rebellion" is about. Wow. I think I'm going to go for a walk in the desert and not think about people for awhile.

 

[sdifox]

So Canada has one issue when it comes to its health system. If you go through Medicare but wait months, or go private and pay out of pocket over $100 per hour. Not sure how this could be fixed.

Stay on topic perhaps?

 

[MomentsofSanity]

I had to go read up on what the heck the "incel rebellion" is about. Wow. I think I'm going to go for a walk in the desert and not think about people for awhile.

Well... at least you'd be a voluntary cel in that scenario...

 

[Commodus]

I had to go read up on what the heck the "incel rebellion" is about. Wow. I think I'm going to go for a walk in the desert and not think about people for awhile.

Yeah, it's pretty bad. Imagine an MRA/pick-up artist type, only without the social skills to attract women. The sad part is that the guy isn't that bad-looking, so you can only imagine how toxic his personality might be.

 

[realibrad]

Stay on topic perhaps?

How is it not on topic? If this were guns, it would be easier as we would find ways of limiting guns to help reduce this. In this case we cant do much if anything about cars, which leaves the mental health issue.

So now you have me confused. In what way is trying to come up with ideas about reducing/preventing things like this not on topic?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Terrorism is, in the broadest sense, the use of intentionally indiscriminate violence as a means to create terror among masses of people.

I don't know about Canada, but if this happened here that criteria would be wholly inadequate and overly broad. If he decided that people needed to be run over without any such consideration it could not be terrorism. "The broadest sense" should never be applied in any legally applicable way.

 

[sdifox]

How is it not on topic? If this were guns, it would be easier as we would find ways of limiting guns to help reduce this. In this case we cant do much if anything about cars, which leaves the mental health issue.

So now you have me confused. In what way is trying to come up with ideas about reducing/preventing things like this not on topic?

you were talking about canadian healthcare wait time... when we don't know much about the guy yet.

 

[realibrad]

you were talking about canadian healthcare wait time... when we don't know much about the guy yet.

Going off of what they have released so far, they are saying mental issues, so that is what I am going with.

“Mental illness, not terror, a leading theory for today’s incident, according to three officials,”

If this is mental illness, then how is it not on topic?

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

I don't know about Canada, but if this happened here that criteria would be wholly inadequate and overly broad. If he decided that people needed to be run over without any such consideration it could not be terrorism. "The broadest sense" should never be applied in any legally applicable way.

We're having a discussion. How is it legally applicable in any way?

 

[sdifox]

Going off of what they have released so far, they are saying mental issues, so that is what I am going with.



If this is mental illness, then how is it not on topic?

there cannot be official releases yet, sources will tell you current theory, but til that is established, it's just speculation.

also, mental health spending is not on par with the problem. However, the doctors in charge of the universal health-care have to take care of that. So taxes go up a bit more. Which is why I say not really pertinent to this discussion.

 

[mdram]

How is it not on topic? If this were guns, it would be easier as we would find ways of limiting guns to help reduce this. In this case we cant do much if anything about cars, which leaves the mental health issue.

So now you have me confused. In what way is trying to come up with ideas about reducing/preventing things like this not on topic?

well it was a rental
he should have had a background check, waiting period, permit, ect ect


that better?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

We're having a discussion. How is it legally applicable in any way?

I'm being part of that discussion by pointing out that semantics matter when it comes to consequences, and indeed those will happen.

 

[realibrad]

there cannot be official releases yet, sources will tell you current theory, but til that is established, it's just speculation.

also, mental health spending is not on par with the problem. However, the doctors in charge of the universal health-care have to take care of that. So taxes go up a bit more. Which is why I say not really pertinent to this discussion.

What? So because sources have said its being investigated as mental health, but we do not have an official statement, its not on topic?

And why are you talking about spending? The issue is either the long wait time, or the out of pocket expense.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

I'm being part of that discussion by pointing out that semantics matter when it comes to consequences, and indeed those will happen.

Yes but, not because you, I or, anyone else used the word terrorist.

 

[realibrad]

well it was a rental
he should have had a background check, waiting period, permit, ect ect


that better?

I'm assuming that is sarcasm, but, background check is sorta done, waiting period would not make sense, and permit is done through having a licence to drive.

 

[sdifox]

What? So because sources have said its being investigated as mental health, but we do not have an official statement, its not on topic?

And why are you talking about spending? The issue is either the long wait time, or the out of pocket expense.

wait time is directly tied to spending. more money allocated to psychology coverage, more people get to see shrink faster.

 

[realibrad]

wait time is directly tied to spending. more money allocated to psychology coverage, more people get to see shrink faster.

I don't know if that assumption holds true, unless you believe their system is under funded. You could probably work out a system where emergency visits could be allocated at the same rate that the public system has.

Regardless, my comment was very much on topic. I still do not understand why you believe it was not. We have a horrific event and I talking about some of the contributions that might have prevented this.

 

[sdifox]

I don't know if that assumption holds true, unless you believe their system is under funded. You could probably work out a system where emergency visits could be allocated at the same rate that the public system has.

Regardless, my comment was very much on topic. I still do not understand why you believe it was not. We have a horrific event and I talking about some of the contributions that might have prevented this.

<--- Canadian and has done work in mental health hospital

 

[Thebobo]

God damn you idiots argue about anything on this forum.

No we don't!