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Lifer
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Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
PC your argument is getting idiotic.

Do you understand the concept of "conspiracy"?? You don't have to actually do anything to get charged with a conspiracy.

This patriot act has given the government the authority to usurp the right to protest. Not just undermine it, but imprison those who dare oppose their imperial authority. You forget we are talking about American citizens here. Yet you dodged the question ONCE AGAIN. Are they guilty of a terrorist act?

They are guilty of conspiring to comment violent crimes. Get over it, you're fighting a losing cause and looking extraordinarily bad in the process.
 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
PC your argument is getting idiotic.

Do you understand the concept of "conspiracy"?? You don't have to actually do anything to get charged with a conspiracy.

This patriot act has given the government the authority to usurp the right to protest. Not just undermine it, but imprison those who dare oppose their imperial authority. You forget we are talking about American citizens here. Yet you dodged the question ONCE AGAIN. Are they guilty of a terrorist act?
They are NOT charged with a terrorist act.

They are charged with CONSPIRACY to riot in furtherance of terrorism.

I think throwing Molotov cocktails would could as terrorism in most books.
 

NoStateofMind

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Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
In the real world, where real people exist and real people are hurt, real laws will result in real outcomes; arresting nutty anarchists that made plans to hurt people is a very, very good thing. No amount of Paulbot BS will change this reality.

Why don't you pull off your fake libertarian garb and tell us who you really support. You cannot be a libertarian and support this bullshit.
 

NoStateofMind

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Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
PC your argument is getting idiotic.

Do you understand the concept of "conspiracy"?? You don't have to actually do anything to get charged with a conspiracy.

This patriot act has given the government the authority to usurp the right to protest. Not just undermine it, but imprison those who dare oppose their imperial authority. You forget we are talking about American citizens here. Yet you dodged the question ONCE AGAIN. Are they guilty of a terrorist act?

They are guilty of conspiring to comment violent crimes. Get over it, you're fighting a losing cause and looking extraordinarily bad in the process.

I don't give a rats fuck what you think I look like in these forums. What I do care about is your fake libertarian views being spewed as if you have some non-partisan viewpoint. Bullshit. They committed no crime other than thought crimes. Nothing had been done other than "talk" and to take it further, the information was from PAID INFORMANTS. Get a fucking clue.
 

NoStateofMind

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
PC your argument is getting idiotic.

Do you understand the concept of "conspiracy"?? You don't have to actually do anything to get charged with a conspiracy.

This patriot act has given the government the authority to usurp the right to protest. Not just undermine it, but imprison those who dare oppose their imperial authority. You forget we are talking about American citizens here. Yet you dodged the question ONCE AGAIN. Are they guilty of a terrorist act?
They are NOT charged with a terrorist act.

They are charged with CONSPIRACY to riot in furtherance of terrorism.

I think throwing Molotov cocktails would could as terrorism in most books.

Yeah. Because someone allegedly thought about something and confided that thought to another person who is a PAID INFORMANT, they are guilty of conspiracy to riot in furtherance of terrorism. Hmm, thought police. If you can't put that together in your brain you need help. Specifically the part about IN FURTHERANCE OF TERRORISM. Get the fuck out of here. Anyone who from now on decides to protest against anything pro government will end up with this charge. America home of the free.....
 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Why don't you pull off your fake libertarian garb and tell us who you really support. You cannot be a libertarian and support this bullshit.

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

I don't give a rats fuck what you think I look like in these forums. What I do care about is your fake libertarian views being spewed as if you have some non-partisan viewpoint. Bullshit. They committed no crime other than thought crimes. Nothing had been done other than "talk" and to take it further, the information was from PAID INFORMANTS. Get a fucking clue.

I sure can son, I don't kowtow the party line the way mindless kids like yourself do. I've been a sustaining member for several years and a registered Libertarian for 7 years, a lot longer than you. And while I don't support several portions of the Patriot Act, there are many good provisions in it (I actually read the damn thing, unlike you) and I'm not about to be told by some ignorant hack that these people shouldn't have been arrested. It's simply the highest order of stupidity to claim people who planned (or even seriously considered) committing violent crimes should not have been arrested. There have been laws against planning violent crimes for decades and decades, including but not limited to; targeting public officials, targeting private citizens, and most especially targeting the POTUS.

This is the real world. I suggest you come up with real solutions instead of bullshit utopian principles.
 

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Lifer
Jun 3, 2002
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Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
PC your argument is getting idiotic.

Do you understand the concept of "conspiracy"?? You don't have to actually do anything to get charged with a conspiracy.

This patriot act has given the government the authority to usurp the right to protest. Not just undermine it, but imprison those who dare oppose their imperial authority. You forget we are talking about American citizens here. Yet you dodged the question ONCE AGAIN. Are they guilty of a terrorist act?
They are NOT charged with a terrorist act.

They are charged with CONSPIRACY to riot in furtherance of terrorism.

I think throwing Molotov cocktails would could as terrorism in most books.

Yeah. Because someone allegedly thought about something and confided that thought to another person who is a PAID INFORMANT, they are guilty of conspiracy to riot in furtherance of terrorism. Hmm, thought police. If you can't put that together in your brain you need help. Specifically the part about IN FURTHERANCE OF TERRORISM. Get the fuck out of here. Anyone who from now on decides to protest against anything pro government will end up with this charge. America home of the free.....

They were anarchists that wanted the complete dissolution of gov't, they were NOT just "people against anything pro government". And if you're suggesting that the paid informant lied, then you better have something to back that shit up. We all know you don't, so crawl back in your hole.
 

NoStateofMind

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Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Why don't you pull off your fake libertarian garb and tell us who you really support. You cannot be a libertarian and support this bullshit.

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

I don't give a rats fuck what you think I look like in these forums. What I do care about is your fake libertarian views being spewed as if you have some non-partisan viewpoint. Bullshit. They committed no crime other than thought crimes. Nothing had been done other than "talk" and to take it further, the information was from PAID INFORMANTS. Get a fucking clue.

I sure can son, I don't kowtow the party line the way mindless kids like yourself do. I've been a sustaining member for several years and a registered Libertarian for 7 years, a lot longer than you. And while I don't support several portions of the Patriot Act, there are many good provisions in it (I actually read the damn thing, unlike you) and I'm not about to be told by some ignorant hack that these people shouldn't have been arrested. It's simply the highest order of stupidity to claim people who planned (or even seriously considered) committing violent crimes should not have been arrested. There have been laws against planning violent crimes for decades and decades, including but not limited to; targeting public officials, targeting private citizens, and most especially targeting the POTUS.

This is the real world. I suggest you come up with real solutions instead of bullshit utopian principles.

Hey, prick, this is America, wake the fuck up. I tow no party line but libertarian values are closest to what I believe. You come against the right to protest and that is no where near the "libertarian" values you spew. You are big government through and through yet you try to give off the persona of liberty. Bullshit. You may have others bamboozled but I don't buy that for a second.

You now, support thought crimes, as if it were the act of terrorism itself. That's ok, cause when the time comes and you realize they have taken it too far and you can't protest at all you can come back to this thread and eat your words. It will be too late and ina sense already is. Your patriot act has subdued the people for now, taped their mouths, shackled their feet and suffocating the life out of them. But you are too high and mighty to see it now, your world is perfect and those protesters need to be imprisoned....until that protester is you.

 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
PC your argument is getting idiotic.

Do you understand the concept of "conspiracy"?? You don't have to actually do anything to get charged with a conspiracy.

This patriot act has given the government the authority to usurp the right to protest. Not just undermine it, but imprison those who dare oppose their imperial authority. You forget we are talking about American citizens here. Yet you dodged the question ONCE AGAIN. Are they guilty of a terrorist act?
They are NOT charged with a terrorist act.

They are charged with CONSPIRACY to riot in furtherance of terrorism.

I think throwing Molotov cocktails would could as terrorism in most books.

Yeah. Because someone allegedly thought about something and confided that thought to another person who is a PAID INFORMANT, they are guilty of conspiracy to riot in furtherance of terrorism. Hmm, thought police. If you can't put that together in your brain you need help. Specifically the part about IN FURTHERANCE OF TERRORISM. Get the fuck out of here. Anyone who from now on decides to protest against anything pro government will end up with this charge. America home of the free.....

They were anarchists that wanted the complete dissolution of gov't, they were NOT just "people against anything pro government". And if you're suggesting that the paid informant lied, then you better have something to back that shit up. We all know you don't, so crawl back in your hole.

:thumbsup:
 

NoStateofMind

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Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
PC your argument is getting idiotic.

Do you understand the concept of "conspiracy"?? You don't have to actually do anything to get charged with a conspiracy.

This patriot act has given the government the authority to usurp the right to protest. Not just undermine it, but imprison those who dare oppose their imperial authority. You forget we are talking about American citizens here. Yet you dodged the question ONCE AGAIN. Are they guilty of a terrorist act?
They are NOT charged with a terrorist act.

They are charged with CONSPIRACY to riot in furtherance of terrorism.

I think throwing Molotov cocktails would could as terrorism in most books.

Yeah. Because someone allegedly thought about something and confided that thought to another person who is a PAID INFORMANT, they are guilty of conspiracy to riot in furtherance of terrorism. Hmm, thought police. If you can't put that together in your brain you need help. Specifically the part about IN FURTHERANCE OF TERRORISM. Get the fuck out of here. Anyone who from now on decides to protest against anything pro government will end up with this charge. America home of the free.....

They were anarchists that wanted the complete dissolution of gov't, they were NOT just "people against anything pro government". And if you're suggesting that the paid informant lied, then you better have something to back that shit up. We all know you don't, so crawl back in your hole.

Hey idiot, they are AMERICAN CITIZENS! Are you fucking ignorant? I don't give a shit if they were protesting ant hill rights, its their fucking right to protest! You see, this shows you don't give a shit about American rights, as you skip over that fact and go right to "THEY WERE ANARCHISTS OMFG!!11". Fucking dolt!
 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Hey, prick, this is America, wake the fuck up. I tow no party line but libertarian values are closest to what I believe. You come against the right to protest and that is no where near the "libertarian" values you spew. You are big government through and through yet you try to give off the persona of liberty. Bullshit. You may have others bamboozled but I don't buy that for a second.

I'm a pragmatist and not some fucking naive "principled" hack. Keep your utopian shit to yourself and let the pragmatists deal with real everday problems.

You now, support thought crimes, as if it were the act of terrorism itself.

"Thought crimes" have been illegal for decades and decades. You cannot conspire to commit acts of violence against an entity (especially our own gov't), get caught doing it, and then expect to not pay the consequences. You are suggesting people should not be arrested for seriously considering such an act; and no, not just thinking about committing violence, but physically preparing for it via supplies, maps, documents, blogs, etc. That is organized mayhem and it is (and should remain) illegal. Wake the fuck up!

That's ok, cause when the time comes and you realize they have taken it too far and you can't protest at all you can come back to this thread and eat your words. It will be too late and ina sense already is. Your patriot act has subdued the people for now, taped their mouths, shackled their feet and suffocating the life out of them. But you are too high and mighty to see it now, your world is perfect and those protesters need to be imprisoned....until that protester is you.

You are funny in a very sad way.

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Hey idiot, they are AMERICAN CITIZENS! Are you fucking ignorant? I don't give a shit if they were protesting ant hill rights, its their fucking right to protest! You see, this shows you don't give a shit about American rights, as you skip over that fact and go right to "THEY WERE ANARCHISTS OMFG!!11". Fucking dolt!

I will repost it again since you deflected this entire post; "They were anarchists that wanted the complete dissolution of gov't, they were NOT just 'people against anything pro government'. And if you're suggesting that the paid informant lied, then you better have something to back that shit up. We all know you don't, so crawl back in your hole".

American citizens who conspire to commit violent crimes should be locked up. They aren't just protesters, they're legitimate criminals masquerading as protesters. They crossed the line and were arrested. The only dolt here is someone who can seriously tell themselves that protesters that conspire to physically harm others shouldn't be stopped because they haven't actually committed the crime yet. Just beyond stupidity. You are, in a nutshell, why the Libertarian party gets nowhere.
 

NoStateofMind

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Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Hey, prick, this is America, wake the fuck up. I tow no party line but libertarian values are closest to what I believe. You come against the right to protest and that is no where near the "libertarian" values you spew. You are big government through and through yet you try to give off the persona of liberty. Bullshit. You may have others bamboozled but I don't buy that for a second.

I'm a pragmatist and not some fucking naive "principled" hack. Keep your utopian shit to yourself and let the pragmatists deal with real everday problems.

No, you were libertarian garb but inwardly are just another two party system lover.

You now, support thought crimes, as if it were the act of terrorism itself.

"Thought crimes" have been illegal for decades and decades. You cannot conspire to commit acts of violence against an entity (especially our own gov't), get caught doing it, and then expect to not pay the consequences. You are suggesting people should not be arrested for seriously considering such an act; and no, not just thinking about committing violence, but physically preparing for it via supplies, maps, documents, blogs, etc. That is organized mayhem and it is (and should remain) illegal. Wake the fuck up!

What have you missed? What crime was committed again? They THOUGHT. You keep sidestepping this issue and do not fully understand the ramifications of these types of laws. You do not want people thinking for themselves or organizing ANY type of protest cause you and your buddies will INFILTRATE using PAID INFORMANTS to get the job done. Yay, we like tax payer dollars to prevent terr.....errr thought crimes. :disgust:

That's ok, cause when the time comes and you realize they have taken it too far and you can't protest at all you can come back to this thread and eat your words. It will be too late and ina sense already is. Your patriot act has subdued the people for now, taped their mouths, shackled their feet and suffocating the life out of them. But you are too high and mighty to see it now, your world is perfect and those protesters need to be imprisoned....until that protester is you.

You are funny in a very sad way.

When the time comes, you will see exactly how funny that is.

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Hey idiot, they are AMERICAN CITIZENS! Are you fucking ignorant? I don't give a shit if they were protesting ant hill rights, its their fucking right to protest! You see, this shows you don't give a shit about American rights, as you skip over that fact and go right to "THEY WERE ANARCHISTS OMFG!!11". Fucking dolt!

I will repost it again since you deflected this entire post; "They were anarchists that wanted the complete dissolution of gov't, they were NOT just 'people against anything pro government'. And if you're suggesting that the paid informant lied, then you better have something to back that shit up. We all know you don't, so crawl back in your hole".

Let me type this bigger since you didn't get it the first fucking time. WHO GIVES A SHIT WHAT THEY BELIEVE, THEY ARE AMERICAN CITIZENS WHO HAVE THE RIGHT TO PROTEST.

American citizens who conspire to commit violent crimes should be locked up. They aren't just protesters, they're legitimate criminals masquerading as protesters. They crossed the line and were arrested. The only dolt here is someone who can seriously tell themselves that protesters that conspire to physically harm others shouldn't be stopped because they haven't actually committed the crime yet. Just beyond stupidity. You are, in a nutshell, why the Libertarian party gets nowhere.
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I would rather stay with my hearts values then sellout to big government as you have done. And yeah, government has never infiltrated any groups and caused a ruckus to escalate a situation in the favor of their views right?

You miss the point of it all. Conspiracy to riot in "furtherance of terrorism" is horseshit to the max. Thats the patriot act in action. The worst document in American history. For the record I have read the patriot act and knew about this "domestic terrorism" bullshit, I just didn't think they would pull this shit out so fast.
 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

No, you were libertarian garb but inwardly are just another two party system lover.

And you're not very well informed and/or intelligent, so we're even.

What have you missed? What crime was committed again? They THOUGHT. You keep sidestepping this issue and do not fully understand the ramifications of these types of laws. You do not want people thinking for themselves or organizing ANY type of protest cause you and your buddies will INFILTRATE using PAID INFORMANTS to get the job done. Yay, we like tax payer dollars to prevent terr.....errr thought crimes. :disgust:

Again, your reading comprehension fails you: "A separate affidavit from undercover agents who infiltrated the group said members had discussed stretching chains across a nearby highway, kidnapping delegates and disrupting the convention with burning tires, urine and feces, and explosives including Molotov cocktails".

And either come up with evidence that these paid informants shouldn't be taken seriously (i.e. your insinuation they can't be trusted and/or they lied) or GTFO here with your backwards BS asininity.

When the time comes, you will see exactly how funny that is.

Sadly, you'll be waiting your entire life.

Let me type this bigger since you didn't get it the first fucking time. WHO GIVES A SHIT WHAT THEY BELIEVE, THEY ARE AMERICAN CITIZENS WHO HAVE THE RIGHT TO PROTEST.

They have the right to protest, not to plan violent or illegal crimes. Get it through that poorly educated skull of yours.

I would rather stay with my hearts values then sellout to big government as you have done. And yeah, government has never infiltrated any groups and caused a ruckus to escalate a situation in the favor of their views right?

It's extraordinarily rare for gov't to do such things. They have done it in the past because they are fallible; they are human beings like you and me after all.

You miss the point of it all. Conspiracy to riot in "furtherance of terrorism" is horseshit to the max. Thats the patriot act in action. The worst document in American history. For the record I have read the patriot act and new about this "domestic terrorism" bullshit, I just didn't think they would pull this shit out so fast.

Christ you're slow. Read my bolded quote above if you're still confused. If those allegations I bolded are correct, you would have be be severely intellectually backwards to believe they should have had the right to protest. And if you question the paid informant, you better come up with some evidence. And if not, I repeat, GTFO.
 

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Wow some of you facists are scary. Move to N. Korea where your authoritarian views will be welcomed with open arms.
 

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Lifer
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I think everybody here has good intentions to begin with. Unfortunately there is an issue of trust going on, which will never be resolved. We would all like to trust the police, and most of them are good people doing a job nobody else wants. They have to follow orders. We would all like to trust government employees/officials, but we know that some of them are willing to lie to achieve a result, who believe that the ends justify the means.

Who do you chose to believe? The one who supports your concepts.
That's why it's important to constantly frame concepts in the public's mind.
 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
From their web site
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TIER ONE: ESTABLISH 15-20 BLOCKADES, UTILIZING A DIVERSITY OF TACTICS, CREATING AN INNER AND OUTER RING AROUND ST. PAUL?S EXCEL CENTER, WHERE THE RNC IS TO TAKE PLACE.

TIER TWO: IMMOBILIZE THE DELEGATES? TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE, INCLUDING THE BUSSES THAT ARE TO CONVEY THEM.

TIER THREE: BLOCK THE FIVE WESTERN BRIDGES CONNECTING THE TWIN CITIES.
These are serious kooks. I am sure they applied whatever law they could against these people.

This would be a peaceful non-violent protest. No where is it stated they would use violent means. In fact I am willing to bet they were going to use "sit in" tactics. I guess you would have incarcerated Gandhi too.
You are a fool.

If this was to be peaceful then explain all the violence that surounds these people?

Stop plagiarizing from the logic textbook. Your entry is a direct copy from the "guilt by association" fallacy. And violence against people != property damage.
 

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I don't condone acts of violence planned or otherwise or the people involved but one should consider where this information comes from. It reminds me of the alleged terrorists caught here in Canada that involved the RCMP setting them up by getting them to buy bomb components. Point in fact it's not uncommon for police or various security services to infiltrate a group of people and then talk them into saying or doing things they otherwise may never have done. This type of tactic is something that seems to have started in the US and just about everyone involved seems to be innocent or simply deluded enough to follow along with the informant. Sometimes they go after these people even after the informant fails to turn them into "terrorists". There is even a PBS Frontline documentary on this very subject. I suggest that interested parties here watch it.

It's one thing to do counter intelligence to stop criminals, terrorists or foreign spies, and I happen to have a ton of respect for the legitimate counter intelligence community as a member of my own family was a member of such a unit. However when your government is funding programs that time and time again parade a group of "terrorists" that later turn out to be either innocent or at worst entrapped by a paid informant or agent then it becomes state sponsored terrorism. The impact on safety is zero as the "terrorists" are primarily their own creation but the effect on the public is chilling.

Having said all this what the government said may very well be all true and in the exact manner in which they state it, but when you cry wolf not once but dozens upon dozens of times then don't be surprised that some people smarten up and realize that the likelihood of it actually being true is virtually zero. Even if some of them said or done some or all of the things they did it all hinges on the circumstances of them doing so. Those tape recordings are not a few minutes long and there aren't just one or two of them. Typically there are dozens or hundreds with many hours of recordings. Lets hope they decided to not accidentally or willfully erase everything that may shine more light on this case.

Regardless of the outcome or evidence presented I will remain forever skeptical of domestic "terrorists" for as long as the government continues to fluff up such groups or continues to act in a manner befitting China.
 

dawheat

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Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
umm Lemon, the GOP had NOTHING to do with what happened last week.

That was the local police with a little help of the FBI.
Also, the Mayor of Saint Paul is a Democrat.

Sheesh, they don't want to hear that. Now, if this happened during the DNC, they would all be reacting the total opposite and Democracy Now would be preaching how Democracy was allowed to occur b/c of this intervention.
Both of you are retarded idiots. No one cares whether it happened at the DNC or RNC. The fact that these people were charged with thought crimes anywhere close to terrorism is a problem. Stick your head up your ass farther, I'm sure you're used to the smell of shit anyways.
You are the idiot :p

There were not arrested for 'thought' crimes. They were arrested for planing attacks at the convention.

When they got together and practiced throwing Molotov cocktails were they just 'thinking' about throwing them??

Thinking about an act (which is yet to be proven if you haven't forgotten) is not a crime. Before any of this had any chance of happening they were raided, charged and jailed! Is this terrorism profjohn? You keep dodging that question.

It's absolutely ridiculous to believe that an act of violence had to actually occur before a person can be charged for a crime.

If in the due process of law, sufficent evidene is presented that these people created plans of violence, organized and equiped people to carry out those acts of violence, and steps were taken to carry out those acts of violence, I hope we all agree that they deserve imprisonment.

To call creating a stage and physically practiced carrying out violence a thought crime is laughable.

However, the burden is absolutely on the prosection to prove that those arrested directly aided and abetted individuals who were going to carry out these acts of violence beyond a resonable doubt.

If there is no pysical stores of urine, bleach, and vehicle disabling equipment found in possesion of persons affiliated with this organization, then I would say it is very hard to prove that these acts were likely to be carried out and these people should not have been arrested.

If stores are found, and incontrivertible evidence is presented that individuals were actively preparing to carry out those acts of violence, then I applaud the authorities for their timely and effective investigation and action.
 

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Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
PC your argument is getting idiotic.

Do you understand the concept of "conspiracy"?? You don't have to actually do anything to get charged with a conspiracy.

This patriot act has given the government the authority to usurp the right to protest. Not just undermine it, but imprison those who dare oppose their imperial authority. You forget we are talking about American citizens here. Yet you dodged the question ONCE AGAIN. Are they guilty of a terrorist act?
They are NOT charged with a terrorist act.

They are charged with CONSPIRACY to riot in furtherance of terrorism.

I think throwing Molotov cocktails would could as terrorism in most books.
Yeah. Because someone allegedly thought about something and confided that thought to another person who is a PAID INFORMANT, they are guilty of conspiracy to riot in furtherance of terrorism. Hmm, thought police. If you can't put that together in your brain you need help. Specifically the part about IN FURTHERANCE OF TERRORISM. Get the fuck out of here. Anyone who from now on decides to protest against anything pro government will end up with this charge. America home of the free.....
Are you really this stupid in real life??

They didn't just think about doing it. They got together and practiced throwing molotov cocktails.
How many do you know have gathering where they practice throwing molotov cocktails??????
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
From their web site
link
TIER ONE: ESTABLISH 15-20 BLOCKADES, UTILIZING A DIVERSITY OF TACTICS, CREATING AN INNER AND OUTER RING AROUND ST. PAUL?S EXCEL CENTER, WHERE THE RNC IS TO TAKE PLACE.

TIER TWO: IMMOBILIZE THE DELEGATES? TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE, INCLUDING THE BUSSES THAT ARE TO CONVEY THEM.

TIER THREE: BLOCK THE FIVE WESTERN BRIDGES CONNECTING THE TWIN CITIES.
These are serious kooks. I am sure they applied whatever law they could against these people.

This would be a peaceful non-violent protest. No where is it stated they would use violent means. In fact I am willing to bet they were going to use "sit in" tactics. I guess you would have incarcerated Gandhi too.

The anarachists last week were not using sit in tactics. I wonder if these were the assholes they raided before the convention that had among other things pipe bombs, some device that when detonated expelled giant tacks, and other destructive material meant to do bodily harm.



 

NoStateofMind

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Obviously there are a lot of idiots here who support thought crimes. So be it, but when the time comes for you to protest and you get arrested, shut your fucking mouth and bend the fuck over. You deserve it.

If you do see these as thought crimes built to deny Americans the right to protest, be vigilant and vocal.
 

Genx87

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Who said we support thought crimes? We support prosecuting people who were clearly working towards a goal of creating chaos with the use of deadly devices.

 

SirStev0

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Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
Originally posted by: SleepWalkerX

Yay for thought crimes! They are doubleplusgood.

So what are the actual charges being presented?

the actual charges are thought crimes dude!

Wait I think you are thinking bad things right now. We will send somebody by in 5 minutes.

 

NoStateofMind

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Who said we support thought crimes? We support prosecuting people who were clearly working towards a goal of creating chaos with the use of deadly devices.

We shall see what washes out in the trial (I'll be watching closely). I'll hold my piece till then and ready to eat crow if necessary. The conspiracy to riot claims are not my concern as much as the patriot acts addition of "in furtherance of terrorism" bullshit. That patriot act document gives those government entities access into homes/people/lives which were not allowed before. Now we will see what happens. I don't think people truly understand the magnitude of this.