7950gt 256 vs x1950pro

[Xarick]

cards are roughly the same price.. which one is gonna be the better gaming card.

 

[tuteja1986]

ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah !!!

I quit .... No more mr Bench Mark... that name is dead to me.

 

[Xarick]

yargh dont give up on me. I am just stuck

I can either afford a x1950pro and an e6300 (because I need a new ps to run the card)

or a

nvidia card like the 7950gt(256 version) and an e6400 (because my current ps will run it)

and I am just torn torn torn.

 

[tuteja1986]

Battlefield 2 1600x1200x32 4xAA 8xAF
$250 7900GTO : 77.3
$200 X1950PRO : 64.2
$250 7900GT : 59.7

Halflife 2 Lost Coast 1600x1200x32 4xAA 8xAF
$250 7900GTO : 51.9
$200 X1950PRO : 43.5
$250 7900GT : 40.9

Fear 1600x1200 0xAA 8xAF
$250 7900GTO : 41
$200 X1950PRO : 35
$250 7900GT : 34

Quake 4 1600x1200x32 4xAA 8xAF
$250 7900GTO : 55.5
$200 X1950PRO : 40.1
$250 7900GT : 45.4

Call of Duty 2 1600x1200 4xAA 8xAF
$250 7900GTO : 34.9
$200 X1950PRO : 32
$250 7900GT : 30.7

Farcry HDR 1600x1200 0xAA 8xAF
$250 7900GTO : 50
$200 X1950PRO : 44.1
$250 7900GT : 39.5


Oblivion HDR Mountain Area 1600x1200 0xAA 8xAF
$250 7900GTO : 32.5
$200 X1950PRO : 31.3
$250 7900GT : 24.1

Oblivion HDR Foliage Area 1600x1200 0xAA 8xAF
$250 7900GTO : 16.9
$200 X1950PRO : 21.3
$250 7900GT : 12

I would end up going with X1950pro as its more future proof.

 

[Xarick]

I am worried that I will be disappointed with the e6300 since I do not overclock

 

[tuteja1986]

ohh , why can't you get e6400 with X1950pro... a 7950gt is more expensive ;(. Also graphic card your are going to buy will not bootnecked the GPU. You need something like 8800GTX to take full advantage of core 2 duo processor or you can't tell the gaming performance difference between a AMD X2 4200 or E3 6300 unless you using 800x600 res.

http://firingsquad.com/hardware/intel_core_2_duo_e6400_review/page6.asp

FEAR 1600x1200x32 4xAA 8xAF
X6800 : 54
FX 62 : 53
E6400 : 53
3500+ : 51

Quake 4 1600x1200x32 4xAA 8xAF
X6800 : 58.6
FX 62 : 58.6
E6400 : 58.7
3500+ : 56.2

Call of Duty 1600x1200x32 4xAA 8xAF
X6800 : 45.1
FX 62 : 44.7
E6400 : 44.5
3500+ : 54.8

Half life 2 Lost Coast 1600x1200x32 4xAA 8xAF
X6800 : 63.1
FX 62 : 61.9
E6400 : 61.9
3500+ : 56.5

Oblivion HDR 1600x1200x32 0xAA 0xAF City Area
X6800 : 48.2
FX 62 : 48.1
E6400 : 45.9
X2 4600+ : 44.7
3500+ : 35.4

Oblivion HDR 1600x1200x32 0xAA 0xAF Outdoor Area
X6800 : 49.3
FX 62 : 49
E6400 : 49.3
3500+ : 49.2

Now you will gain FPS on high CPU intensive game genre like flight sim like Pacific Fighter.

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: tuteja1986
ohh , why can't you get e6400 with X1950pro... a 7950gt is more expensive ;(. Also graphic card your are going to buy will not CPU bootnecked but GPU. You need something like 8800GTX to take full advantage of core 2 duo processor or you can't tell the gaming performance difference against a AMD X2 4200 or E3 6300 unless you use a 800x600 res.

the 7950 is $199AR

 

[Xarick]

^what he said. So your saying and e6400 would be a waste for me because I wouldn't see any performance gains?

 

[tuteja1986]

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug


the 7950 is $199AR

X1950pro is $199 without rebate.

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: tuteja1986

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug


the 7950 is $199AR

X1950pro is $199 without rebate.

considering the rebate is only $15, i dont think the price difference should be much of a factor...

 

[Cookie Monster]

Hothardware Review

They test X1950pro and X1950pro along with other cards. (X1900GT, 7900GT/GS)

7950gt is pretty equal in performance to a X1950pro.
Power and heat nVIDIA is better.
IQ ATI wins here. (the ability to HDR + AA and HQ AF)
Driver nVIDIA is better. (ive used both, unless you want to fiddle around with 3rd party control panel e.g ATiTool for the ATi card because CCC is very slow)
Video Quality same. (Pure Video = AVIVO)
512mb (7950GT) vs 256mb (X1950pro)
Stock cooling solution is better on the X1950pro. Unless you buy EVGA/Leadtek absed 7950GT, it might be abit noisey. Or the Foxconn/leadtek OCed version with a better cooler. ($214 AR)

So i guess its up to you now.

 

[tuteja1986]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Hothardware Review

They test X1950pro and X1950pro along with other cards. (X1900GT, 7900GT/GS)

7950gt is pretty equal in performance to a X1950pro.
Power and heat nVIDIA is better.
IQ ATI wins here. (the ability to HDR + AA and HQ AF)
Driver nVIDIA is better. (ive used both, unless you want to fiddle around with 3rd party control panel e.g ATiTool for the ATi card because CCC is very slow)
Video Quality same. (Pure Video = AVIVO)
512mb (7950GT) vs 256mb (X1950pro)
Stock cooling solution is better on the X1950pro. Unless you buy EVGA/Leadtek absed 7950GT, it might be abit noisey. Or the Foxconn/leadtek OCed version with a better cooler. ($214 AR)

So i guess its up to you now.

Cookie Monster :! ... Most of us know that Nvidia drivers aren't that great like you make it out to be. Remember the shimmer in Quality setting and how nvidia told everyone to use Quality setting so they would get higher fps. To get rid of shimmer in games like WOW , CS you had to use HQ which most review don't use like xbitlab because it decrease FPS.

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Hothardware Review

They test X1950pro and X1950pro along with other cards. (X1900GT, 7900GT/GS)

7950gt is pretty equal in performance to a X1950pro.
Power and heat nVIDIA is better.
IQ ATI wins here. (the ability to HDR + AA and HQ AF)
Driver nVIDIA is better. (ive used both, unless you want to fiddle around with 3rd party control panel e.g ATiTool for the ATi card because CCC is very slow)
Video Quality same. (Pure Video = AVIVO)
512mb (7950GT) vs 256mb (X1950pro)
Stock cooling solution is better on the X1950pro. Unless you buy EVGA/Leadtek absed 7950GT, it might be abit noisey. Or the Foxconn/leadtek OCed version with a better cooler. ($214 AR)

So i guess its up to you now.

yeah, more or less equal performance but the 7950 gives you a life time warranty for about the same price...

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: tuteja1986

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Hothardware Review

They test X1950pro and X1950pro along with other cards. (X1900GT, 7900GT/GS)

7950gt is pretty equal in performance to a X1950pro.
Power and heat nVIDIA is better.
IQ ATI wins here. (the ability to HDR + AA and HQ AF)
Driver nVIDIA is better. (ive used both, unless you want to fiddle around with 3rd party control panel e.g ATiTool for the ATi card because CCC is very slow)
Video Quality same. (Pure Video = AVIVO)
512mb (7950GT) vs 256mb (X1950pro)
Stock cooling solution is better on the X1950pro. Unless you buy EVGA/Leadtek absed 7950GT, it might be abit noisey. Or the Foxconn/leadtek OCed version with a better cooler. ($214 AR)

So i guess its up to you now.

Cookie Monster :! ... Most of us know that Nvidia drivers aren't that great like you make it out to be. Remember the shimmer in Quality setting and how nvidia told everyone to use Quality setting so they would get higher fps. To get rid of shimmer in games like WOW , CS you had to use HQ which most review don't use like xbitlab because it decrease FPS.

They are better. Faster load times for NV control panel (by alot), ability to set controls just by the little icon, and doesnt eat up 300mb of ram. Since hes using a 7 series cards, he has the ability to use the old control panel which is better than CCC will ever get.

HQ is his choice. Some people dont see shimmering while some do. (differs from game to game) Q and HQ shows no IQ difference except the shimmering is reduced almost completely.

Can you back up the bolded sentence with hard proof?

Xbitlabs use HQ by the way

 

[Xarick]

Can you guys explain the IQ issue? cause I am using a 9800pro and back when those were great IQ was equal.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: Xarick
Can you guys explain the IQ issue? cause I am using a 9800pro and back when those were great IQ was equal.

Let me simplify the last generation (Geforce 7 vs radeon X1)
AA is better on the geforce 7 series in terms of flexbility and IQ. e.g Transparecy AA is better than adaptive. Although normal 4xAA was similiar nVIDIA has the option to go all the way up to 16xAA, (which is usable in older games like quake3) and also gave you the option to use xS modes, which are simply a mixture of SSAA/MSAA (super sampling AA and multi sampling AA). xS modes may have a big performance hit but it is quite simply MUCH better than anything ATi has to offer because ATi doesnt give you any SSAA modes, whether its hybrid or full. (Only Super AA but thats crossfire)

In terms of default quality (angle dependent AF) AF, both ATi and nVIDIA shimmer. Judging from screenshots and some actual gameplay, nVIDIAs default filtering gives is abit better but it shimmers (when textures crawl etc). ATi too shimmers on default mode but not as much. When HQ AF is enabled for ATi, it enables angle independent AF (well not really independent but almost) which surpasses everything nVIDIA gor in the AF front. For nVIDIA, HQ kills roughyl all the shimmering but IQ gains arent really noticeable.

HDR. Im not so sure but last time i checked, HDR on FC on ATi cards were much darker than nVIDIA's HDR. BUt generally i think theyre the same visually unless someone wants to give you some feedback.

ATI has the option to use HDR with AA applied. This is a great feature because it looks very impressive. nVIDIA (Geforce 6 and 7) cannot support HDR plus AA (FP16) because its hardware cannot do so. (Although Valve's game use series of hacks to enable HDR plus AA on almost all S.M 2.0b and up cards) However, the support to enable HDR plus AA for ATi has been quite lacking. Although it may be usable in older games that support HDR plus AA, newer games already torture these cards at no AA settings.

Overall, ATi gets the nod because the HQ AF really makes things stand out. But its really up to the user for personal taste. Some say nVIDIA is better, and some say ATI is better. Unless your buying Geforce 8 cards because they provide the best IQ.