7900 vs 1900

[tony4704]

From what I have read it is really looking like the 1900 is the way to go. The 7900 is cooler, consumes less power but performes in the same range of the 1900. Ati has way nicer features, avivo and such. Is it not a clear choice to go with the 1900 then? Or are there some benefits to the 7900 over the 1900? thank you

 

[the Chase]

Well, too early to tell for sure. Will depend on where pricing levels out between them and what games you play most. Also how high the 7900 series will OC reliably. I think the GT version has a lot of OC headroom..

 

[StumbleBum1]

Me pulls up a chair and cracks a beer:beer:

 

[nib95]

Can anyone just clarify this. As im just about to buy either a 7900 GTX or an X1900 XTX.
I've just come back from Uni.

Which is the better performing card?

 

[5150Joker]

They're close in performance with pro's and cons for each:

7900 pros:
-runs cooler, less power, less noise
-SLI is a bit better than Crossfire
-performance is about even with the x1900

x1900 pros:
-has more features like HDR+AA, Angle Independent AF
-still faster in shader intensive games which could have an impact on upcoming titles (e.g. Oblivion)
-performance is on par with the 7900 gtx

 

[tuteja1986]

I hear ATI got better Widescreen Res results so it maybe good for your dell 2405FPW

Anyways here a decent review :!
http://firingsquad.com/hardware/nvidia_geforce_7900_gt_gtx_performance/

Half Life 2 @ 2048x1536x32 4xAA 16xAF = Tie :!
BF2 @ 2408x1536x32 4xAA 16xAF = ATI clear win
Quake 4 @ 2408x1536x32 4xAA 16xAF = Nvidia just win
Lock On Modern Air Combat @ 2408x1536x32 4xAA 16xAF = Nvidia clear win
Pacific Fighters @ 2408x1536x32 4xAA 16xAA = Nvidia clear win
Fear @ 2408x1536x32 4xAA 16xA = ATI clear win
Call of duty 2 @ 2408x1536x32 4xAA 16xA = ATI just win
Serious Sam 2 @ 2408x1536x32 4xAA 16xA = Nvidia Clear win
Far Cry HDR @ 1600x1200x32 0xAA 8XAF = Nvidia win but When AA turned ATI wins

which ever is cheaper i say
X1900XT for $450
X1900XTX goes for $500ish
7900GTX goes for $500

in few days price war i bet
But i wait for Oblivion results before making a move because that game is pretty good indication of future results

 

[tony4704]

im in the same position as you nib, I cant decide which one to get. It probably will just come down to price as they seem to perform so closely.

 

[BenSkywalker]

Price perhaps.

The 7900GT in particular is about $160 less then a 1900XT and performs fairly well in comparable terms. The 7900GTX only has a very small price advantage over the XTX at this point, so perhaps there it isn't an edge.

Also- if you want to go SLI/CF then it appears that nV still has a rather clear edge. Actually, you can pick up two 7900GTs for about $140 more then a 1900XT so it is actually closer price wise to compare a SLI 7900GT setup to a single 1900xt then it is to compare the single boards.

 

[Topweasel]

Originally posted by: nib95
Can anyone just clarify this. As im just about to buy either a 7900 GTX or an X1900 XTX.
I've just come back from Uni.

Which is the better performing card?

the XTX is barely the faster card. the XT and the GTX are soo close you can't really state one way or the other. But keep in mind that many manufacturers sell retail OCed cards for Nvidia while i have failed to see a ATI supplier do so. For that reason the rolls may actually be revered dependant on what retail card your looking at.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker
Price perhaps.

The 7900GT in particular is about $160 less then a 1900XT and performs fairly well in comparable terms. The 7900GTX only has a very small price advantage over the XTX at this point, so perhaps there it isn't an edge.

Also- if you want to go SLI/CF then it appears that nV still has a rather clear edge. Actually, you can pick up two 7900GTs for about $140 more then a 1900XT so it is actually closer price wise to compare a SLI 7900GT setup to a single 1900xt then it is to compare the single boards.

A single 7900 GT doesn't perform anywhere near as good as a X1900 XT, don't know where you came up with that. An SLI 7900 GT costing $140 more than a single XT (don't know what price reference you're using) is significantly more money. Furthermore, the 7900 GT's competition is the X1800XT which performs faster and is on par with price.

 

[Topweasel]

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker
Price perhaps.

The 7900GT in particular is about $160 less then a 1900XT and performs fairly well in comparable terms. The 7900GTX only has a very small price advantage over the XTX at this point, so perhaps there it isn't an edge.

Also- if you want to go SLI/CF then it appears that nV still has a rather clear edge. Actually, you can pick up two 7900GTs for about $140 more then a 1900XT so it is actually closer price wise to compare a SLI 7900GT setup to a single 1900xt then it is to compare the single boards.

As Posted in another thread the PNY (non OC) 7900GTX is already available for 479.99 which widens the gap in price considerably.

 

[kyparrish]

I can't wait to see how high the 7900GT's will overclock to.

 

[classy]

Well after reading like 5 reviews, its a tossup. Each card has one up on each other. The 7900 runs cooler and quieter, the 1900 is slightly faster. Both about the same price too. The one thing in ATI's favor is that it will handle shader intensive game in the future probably a little bit better. But all in all both are good, very good.

 

[nib95]

Hmm..I'm in such a dilema and I need the card today...kinda

I'm leaning towards 7900 GTX becasue theyre cooler, and my most played games will probably be Quake wars and Prey in the coming months, both OpenGL games.
But then again, I've never seen graphics look so beautiful as they do on ATI cards.
Adaptive super sampled AA is just, amazing. High quality AF similarly.

Decisions decisions.

Does anyone know what the 7900 GT'z with 3rd party coolers PC like?
Because for only £100 more I can get 2 x 7900 GT's. Just worried about the lack of ram is all.

 

[eljaye925]

After seeing the heatsink on the 7900GT, I'm thinking hard about dumping my 1900XT just to cool things off.

Have had to make alot of changes to my sytem to accomodate the heat output of the GPU. And still not satisfied...thinking about cutting a 4.5" hole in my side panel or even getting a new case

 

[Genx87]

I'd let it sort out for about a month if you want a better picture. I have a feeling with the extreme advantages in die size, nvidia will be competing on price and may lower prices to keep up with ATI. They can afford it to be honest.

 

[v8envy]

One last thing: ATI's Linux drivers are truly awful, and may not even support X1800/X1900 yet. I am a bit fuzzy on which cards are supported. I know the X8xx series in AGP are not.

If you're gonna go all Borg and climb aboard Vista, not a problem. But if you're one of the rapidly growing windows games on linux set, watch out.

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: nib95
Hmm..I'm in such a dilema and I need the card today...kinda

I'm leaning towards 7900 GTX becasue theyre cooler, and my most played games will probably be Quake wars and Prey in the coming months, both OpenGL games.
But then again, I've never seen graphics look so beautiful as they do on ATI cards.
Adaptive super sampled AA is just, amazing. High quality AF similarly.

Decisions decisions.

Does anyone know what the 7900 GT'z with 3rd party coolers PC like?
Because for only £100 more I can get 2 x 7900 GT's. Just worried about the lack of ram is all.

Same here. I want to get back to playing Quake again so 7900 will be getting my dough. I been in retirement for quite sometime now. I think its time for the "dirty spray can" to once again wreck havoc

 

[nib95]

I'm going to wait a bit.

The XTX in the UK is still cheaper then the 7900 GTX which is currently £380-£400.
The XTX goes for £350. I'll wait till both are around the £350 mark.
Plus only like 2 sites in the UK sell them at the moment, will wait till tomorrow to see more competitors selling it and hope for better prices.

 

[BenSkywalker]

A single 7900 GT doesn't perform anywhere near as good as a X1900 XT, don't know where you came up with that.

I never said they directly compared, read carefully

Furthermore, the 7900 GT's competition is the X1800XT which performs faster and is on par with price.

Cheapest 1800xt in stock @NewEgg is $130 more then the 7900GT- if that is on par then SLId 7900GTs are on par with a 1900xt

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: tony4704
From what I have read it is really looking like the 1900 is the way to go. The 7900 is cooler, consumes less power but performes in the same range of the 1900. Ati has way nicer features, avivo and such. Is it not a clear choice to go with the 1900 then? Or are there some benefits to the 7900 over the 1900? thank you

isn't Avivo = Purevideo?
7900 is cooler/ more energy effecient/quieter
1900 has HDR+AA

 

[TraumaRN]

Originally posted by: kyparrish
I can't wait to see how high the 7900GT's will overclock to.

Check out Guru 3D for some early OCing results....if this is the case....I'll be itching for a set of 7900GT OCed in SLI.....

GeForce 7600 GT 560 MHZ / 607 MHz 1400 MHz / 1600 MHz
GeForce 7900 GT 450 MHZ / 545 MHz 1320 MHZ / 1568 MHz
GeForce 7900 GTX 650 MHZ / 705 MHz 1600 MHZ / 1800 MHz

roughly 100Mhz on the core and roughly 125Mhz on the mem(250 effective) Thats just sick...Imagine if you slapped an Artic cooling or Zalman on that thing... :Q

 

[tony4704]

I am not too worried about power or heat because I have a 600w powersupply and im running water.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: tony4704
From what I have read it is really looking like the 1900 is the way to go. The 7900 is cooler, consumes less power but performes in the same range of the 1900. Ati has way nicer features, avivo and such. Is it not a clear choice to go with the 1900 then? Or are there some benefits to the 7900 over the 1900? thank you

isn't Avivo = Purevideo?
7900 is cooler/ more energy effecient/quieter
1900 has HDR+AA

X1900 also has angle independent AF which even the notirous mouthpiece for nVidia HardOCP recognizes:

We like the Higher Quality AF filtering that the X1900 XTX does though. ATI?s HQ AF really helps with image quality in an outdoor game like BF2 when compared to NVIDIA?s way of doing filtering. There are a lot of angles to the ground textures in BF2 and having the filtering performed in ATI?s superior way can indeed provide a noticeably better visual quality and overall better gaming experience. You can find forum arguments all over the Net about Red Vs. Green when it comes to texture filtering, but this is one situation where ATI?s technology clearly leads in the real-world gaming experience battle.

 

[Topweasel]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: tony4704
From what I have read it is really looking like the 1900 is the way to go. The 7900 is cooler, consumes less power but performes in the same range of the 1900. Ati has way nicer features, avivo and such. Is it not a clear choice to go with the 1900 then? Or are there some benefits to the 7900 over the 1900? thank you

isn't Avivo = Purevideo?
7900 is cooler/ more energy effecient/quieter
1900 has HDR+AA

X1900 also has angle independent AF which even the notirous mouthpiece for nVidia HardOCP recognizes:

We like the Higher Quality AF filtering that the X1900 XTX does though. ATI?s HQ AF really helps with image quality in an outdoor game like BF2 when compared to NVIDIA?s way of doing filtering. There are a lot of angles to the ground textures in BF2 and having the filtering performed in ATI?s superior way can indeed provide a noticeably better visual quality and overall better gaming experience. You can find forum arguments all over the Net about Red Vs. Green when it comes to texture filtering, but this is one situation where ATI?s technology clearly leads in the real-world gaming experience battle.

What is this mouth Peice crap your saying. Is it based on that stupid FNW review where they said the the RD420 was a low class chipset and didn't belong in an expensive game machine. Or because of the rant on ATI prior to the X1800 telling them they were not going to accept any more paper launches. The second one they wer spot on with and the first was an editors note where he covers the fact that it was based solely around his multiple experiences with that chipset (not to mention numerous delays and a defective SB). The 480 is much better and their next few chipsets look great and they will admit that as well.