79.9% APR credit card

Anonemous

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Woot! Time to stop using credit cards.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34468260/ns/business-personal_finance/

NEW YORK - It's no mistake. This credit card's interest rate is 79.9 percent.

The bloated APR is how First Premier Bank, a subprime credit card issuer, is skirting new regulations intended to curb abusive practices in the industry. It's a strategy other subprime card issuers could start adopting to get around the new rules.

Typically, the First Premier card comes with a minimum of $256 in fees in the first year for a credit line of $250. Starting in February, however, a new law will cap such fees at 25 percent of a card's credit line.

In a recent mailing for a preapproved card, First Premier lowers fees to just that limit — $75 in the first year for a credit line of $300. But the new law doesn't set a cap on interest rates. Hence the 79.9 APR, up from the previous 9.9 percent.

"It's the highest on the market. It's the highest we've ever seen," said Anuj Shahani, an analyst with Synovate, a research firm that tracks credit card mailings.

The terms are eyebrow raising, but First Premier targets people with bad credit who likely can't get approved for cards elsewhere. It's a group that tends to lean heavily on credit too, meaning they'll likely incur the steep financing charges.

So for a $300 balance, a cardholder would pay about $20 a month in interest.

First Premier said the 79.9 APR offer is a test and that it's too early to tell whether it will be continued, according to an e-mailed statement. To comply with the new law, the bank said it will no longer offer the card that has $256 in first-year fees as of Feb. 21, 2010. However, customers will still be able to use their existing cards. The bank said "no final decisions" have been made regarding any rate changes for those cards.

First Premier noted that it needed to "price our product based on the risk associated with this market."

The bank declined to specify how many people were offered the 79.9 APR card.

According to First Premier's Web site, the credit cards are serviced by its sister organization Premier Bankcard. The company, based in Sioux Falls, S.D., says Premier Bankcard is the 10th largest issuer of MasterCard and Visa cards in the country, with more than 3.5 million customers.

In a mailing sent to prospective customers in October with the revamped terms, First Premier writes "...you might have less-than-perfect credit and we're OK with that." The letter notes that an online application or phone call is still required, but guarantees a 60-second status confirmation.

The letter also states there are no hidden fees that aren't disclosed in the attached form. That's where the 79.9 percent interest rate and $75 annual fee are listed. There's also $29 penalty if you pay late or go over your $300 credit limit.

Even if First Premier doesn't stick with the 79.9 APR, it will likely hike rates considerably from the current 9.9 percent to offset the lower fees, said Shahani of Synovate.

The revamped terms may not be the only changes; First Premier also appears to be moving away from the riskiest borrowers.

The bank typically mails offers to subprime households, meaning those with credit scores below 700. In the third quarter, however, 84 percent of its offers were sent to subprime households, down from 91 percent the same period last year, according to Synovate.

First Premier could be cleaning up its credit card portfolio since the new regulations will limit its ability to raise interest rates. That could mean First Premier won't issue cards as liberally to those with bad credit.

As harsh as First Premier's terms seem, that could be a blow to those who rely on the card, said Odysseas Papadimitriou, CEO of CardHub.com.

"Even when the cost of credit is astronomical, for people in true emergencies, it's much better than not having access to credit," said Papadimitriou.

Until Feb. 21, First Premier is still offering its even-higher-fee card online. So the price for credit the bank charges is at least $256 in first-year fees.
 

cubby1223

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Unless the government is forcing us to get one of these cards, I see this as nothing more than the free market in action. If you don't want 79.9% interest, then by all means don't sign up for this card.
 

edro

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Unless the government is forcing us to get one of these cards, I see this as nothing more than the free market in action. If you don't want 79.9% interest, then by all means don't sign up for this card.
I agree, but I do have a problem with raising current card holders' rates by a large amount.
Luckily, none of my credit cards have had their rates increased.

I have heard of people (on this board) who have had their rates on their most used cards more than doubled.

It's a hassle changing to a new card (updating bill pays, saved credit cards online, etc.).
 

skace

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Jan 23, 2001
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Unless the government is forcing us to get one of these cards, I see this as nothing more than the free market in action. If you don't want 79.9% interest, then by all means don't sign up for this card.

It's more about watching and seeing if this becomes a trend than reporting on what exactly 1 card does.
 

CPA

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Now watch Congress come in an limit the APR, which in turn will force these companies to give up the high risk card option altogether. Then, Congress will force the card companies not to discriminate based on previous credit history, causing banks to extend credit to folks who are high-risk, who will in turn default, which will in turn cause huge run-ups of bad debt, which will in turn force Congress to bail out the banks.

It's called the slippery slope. Congress should have just kept their hands out of this in the first place.
 

nerp

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That's nothing. I was offered an $800 loan in the mail the other day with a 657% interest rate.
 

Fritzo

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Unless the government is forcing us to get one of these cards, I see this as nothing more than the free market in action. If you don't want 79.9% interest, then by all means don't sign up for this card.

Many people are desperate for credit, and this is who they're targeting. Everyone wants a credit card, and a lot of people can't get one because of credit issues/job situation/bankruptcy/etc. People like this don't even look at terms- they say "WOOHOO! I'M QUALIFIED FOR FREE MONEY! NOW I CAN BUY THOSE THINGS I CAN'T AFFORD!"

They then end up defaulting on the loan, and since the bank has such high fees, they probably recoup their losses quickly.
 

waggy

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That's nothing. I was offered an $800 loan in the mail the other day with a 657% interest rate.

my SIL took out a bunch of loans at those "payday loan" places. where you get a loan for a week or so.

she took out $1200 (for a down payment of a car...wich got repoed) and kept extending the payment. She came to us to borrow the money to pay it off or she was going to court over it. She owed close to $10k. the interest was something like 1200% interest.
 

rudder

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That is why poor people stay poor. This is the only thing they could get and will pay the 79% most likely. Kind of like those rent a center places where they can get computers... $50 a week for a year will get you a nice AMD sempron system loaded with XP and a gig of ram.
 

nick1985

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my SIL took out a bunch of loans at those "payday loan" places. where you get a loan for a week or so.

she took out $1200 (for a down payment of a car...wich got repoed) and kept extending the payment. She came to us to borrow the money to pay it off or she was going to court over it. She owed close to $10k. the interest was something like 1200% interest.

I hope you shut the door in her face when she came asking for 10 grand.
 

Demon-Xanth

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Feb 15, 2000
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I agree, but I do have a problem with raising current card holders' rates by a large amount.
Luckily, none of my credit cards have had their rates increased.

I have heard of people (on this board) who have had their rates on their most used cards more than doubled.

It's a hassle changing to a new card (updating bill pays, saved credit cards online, etc.).

ALL of my cards, used and unused, have about doubled and gone to variable rates "Because of a change in the way we do buisness." My current interest rates are quite literally worse than my very first credit card and suddenly for the first time, I don't have a fixed rate card. (prime+7-10%)
 

Fritzo

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I do have to say that my Charles Schwab Visa went from a 6% to a 15% rate early this year, but they've pretty much remained steady on everything else. Great company to do financing with.
 

ChanHo78

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mine went from 7.5% to 29% lol, never missed a payment either. The are dirty mother fuckers and congress gave them the freedom to do it.
 

spidey07

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mine went from 7.5% to 29% lol, never missed a payment either. The are dirty mother fuckers and congress gave them the freedom to do it.

Congress was the one that made them increase your rate by eliminating or handcuffing other revenue sources, just so you know.
 

ChanHo78

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Congress was the one that made them increase your rate by eliminating or handcuffing other revenue sources, just so you know.

I don't know... they passed those nice cc rules and gave the cc companies what a year+ to screw everyone over?
 

D1gger

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???

Not unless he did some ninja edit of his post and your quote.

your = belonging to you

you're = you are

That's right.

As in "You're free to cut up your card"

Not "Your free to cut up you're card"